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White Fragility in action: the Elon Musk story

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  • [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    The App Store walled garden is not without its benefits, and not without its drawbacks.

    Unlike Elon, who is all drawbacks.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    A head of lettuce
    So afaict Musk clearly received a last warning on the subject of content filtration, and site moderation, and is trying some really last minute PR wank to try and claim that they kicked twitter off of the app store as retaliation for being memed on rather than cos of all the CSAM

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2022
    The 30% cut versus what Epic's store cut came up in the trial and Epic basically admitted they couldn't offer all the stuff Apple did because of their lower cut

    Which was obviously a problem for Epic when Epic was arguing that Apple's cut was ridiculously high

    Couscous on
  • [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    The 30% cut versus what Epic's store cut came up in the trial and Epic basically admitted they could offer all the stuff Apple did because of their lower cut

    Which was obviously a problem for Epic when Epic was arguing that Apple's cut was ridiculously high

    Could or couldn't?

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited November 2022
    A head of lettuce
    So afaict Musk clearly received a last warning on the subject of content filtration, and site moderation, and is trying some really last minute PR wank to try and claim that they kicked twitter off of the app store as retaliation for being memed on rather than cos of all the CSAM

    Is there any current evidence that apple has intentions of removing Twitter from the AppStore? The tweet above does not substantiate any of its claims.

    Musk’s tweets so far are about Apple not advertising on Twitter (which is likely because Apple is just making a sound business move and expects a poor ROI on Twitter ads). Nothing involving App Store removal has come up, afaik.

    Inquisitor on
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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Yeah his moderation policies might run afoul of Apple eventually but not any sign they have yet.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Article on him calling CEOs to berate them over ad spending on twitter

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Article on him calling CEOs to berate them over ad spending on twitter


    I'm reminded of when T who must not be named was yelling at Republican donors and chased them off from funding their 2020 efforts.

    Also Freedom of Speech becoming mandatory to do speech on your platform Elon?

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
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    Einzel wrote: »
    It's mad how he thinks that photo makes him look cool, when it just makes me think of a rich edgelord teenager

    The caffeine free diet cokes have so much old dad falling asleep on the couch at 5pm energy for me.

    Whoa who whoa... Look motherfucker we have lines ok.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    The right regards freedom of speech not as the right to say things, but the right to an audience

    It's not enough that they can say things, they must be able to say things without any repurcussion and also that you must listen to them

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular



    This is literally something that he could have easily known about from his former head of trust and safety
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/opinion/twitter-yoel-roth-elon-musk.html
    In my time at Twitter, representatives of the app stores regularly raised concerns about content available on our platform. On one occasion, a member of an app review team contacted Twitter, saying with consternation that he had searched for “#boobs” in the Twitter app and was presented with … exactly what you’d expect. Another time, on the eve of a major feature release, a reviewer sent screenshots of several days-old tweets containing an English-language racial slur, asking Twitter representatives whether they should be permitted to appear on the service.

    Reviewers hint that app approval could be delayed or perhaps even withheld entirely if issues are not resolved to their satisfaction — although the standards for resolution are often implied. Even as they appear to be driven largely by manual checks and anecdotes, these review procedures have the power to derail company plans and trigger all-hands-on-deck crises for weeks or months at a time.
    Like this is such a well known thing that Apple and Google does that nobody who had any interest in knowing how social media companies worked would be surprised

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Britain's current PM, whoever that is
    Maddoc wrote: »
    The right regards freedom of speech not as the right to say things, but the right to an audience

    It's not enough that they can say things, they must be able to say things without any repurcussion and also that you must listen to them

    Its fucking maddening how whiny piss baby they get about people simply not listening. Like my relatives pull this shit with me and that's why I don't talk to them.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2022
    The Boring Company is currently ghosting a bunch of towns


    The first indication there would be a problem should have been that it was a Musk company. The second indication should have been that the machine was named Godot

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Britain's current PM, whoever that is
    Man if only more people would clue in the guy is a grifty lying son of a bitch.

    Like how inept has the media been covering him that they are just now noticing all the flim flam, this chicanery!

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    The Boring Company is currently ghosting a bunch of towns


    The first indication there would be a problem should have been that it was a Musk company. The second indication should have been that the machine was named Godot

    Goddamn fucking hack reality writers

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
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    Inquisitor wrote: »
    So afaict Musk clearly received a last warning on the subject of content filtration, and site moderation, and is trying some really last minute PR wank to try and claim that they kicked twitter off of the app store as retaliation for being memed on rather than cos of all the CSAM

    Is there any current evidence that apple has intentions of removing Twitter from the AppStore? The tweet above does not substantiate any of its claims.

    Musk’s tweets so far are about Apple not advertising on Twitter (which is likely because Apple is just making a sound business move and expects a poor ROI on Twitter ads). Nothing involving App Store removal has come up, afaik.

    no, just an educated guess on the tweeter's part based on musk's prior behavior and general knowledge of how apple works, and one that was seemingly proven correct before we even reached the end of the page

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited November 2022
    Couscous wrote: »



    This is literally something that he could have easily known about from his former head of trust and safety
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/opinion/twitter-yoel-roth-elon-musk.html
    In my time at Twitter, representatives of the app stores regularly raised concerns about content available on our platform. On one occasion, a member of an app review team contacted Twitter, saying with consternation that he had searched for “#boobs” in the Twitter app and was presented with … exactly what you’d expect. Another time, on the eve of a major feature release, a reviewer sent screenshots of several days-old tweets containing an English-language racial slur, asking Twitter representatives whether they should be permitted to appear on the service.

    Reviewers hint that app approval could be delayed or perhaps even withheld entirely if issues are not resolved to their satisfaction — although the standards for resolution are often implied. Even as they appear to be driven largely by manual checks and anecdotes, these review procedures have the power to derail company plans and trigger all-hands-on-deck crises for weeks or months at a time.
    Like this is such a well known thing that Apple and Google does that nobody who had any interest in knowing how social media companies worked would be surprised

    Isn’t that why Parler and Truth Social keep/kept getting dropped from app stores

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    That's literally hack writing tier jokes. Incredible.

    I ate an engineer
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Britain's current PM, whoever that is
    Couscous wrote: »
    The Boring Company is currently ghosting a bunch of towns


    The first indication there would be a problem should have been that it was a Musk company. The second indication should have been that the machine was named Godot

    Goddamn fucking hack reality writers

    Honestly this feels like someone at Boring trying to let people know its bullshit and people being too dense to figure it out.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    A head of lettuce
    Preacher wrote: »
    Honestly this feels like someone at Boring trying to let people know its bullshit and people being too dense to figure it out.
    capitalism is an endless parade of naked emperors

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Britain's current PM, whoever that is
    Preacher wrote: »
    Honestly this feels like someone at Boring trying to let people know its bullshit and people being too dense to figure it out.
    capitalism is an endless parade of naked emperors

    Honestly it feels overly cynical at times to keep seeing all these supposedly great men/institutions be proven to be hollower than a chocolate easter bunny, but here we are.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    A head of lettuce
    Couscous wrote: »



    This is literally something that he could have easily known about from his former head of trust and safety
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/opinion/twitter-yoel-roth-elon-musk.html
    In my time at Twitter, representatives of the app stores regularly raised concerns about content available on our platform. On one occasion, a member of an app review team contacted Twitter, saying with consternation that he had searched for “#boobs” in the Twitter app and was presented with … exactly what you’d expect. Another time, on the eve of a major feature release, a reviewer sent screenshots of several days-old tweets containing an English-language racial slur, asking Twitter representatives whether they should be permitted to appear on the service.

    Reviewers hint that app approval could be delayed or perhaps even withheld entirely if issues are not resolved to their satisfaction — although the standards for resolution are often implied. Even as they appear to be driven largely by manual checks and anecdotes, these review procedures have the power to derail company plans and trigger all-hands-on-deck crises for weeks or months at a time.
    Like this is such a well known thing that Apple and Google does that nobody who had any interest in knowing how social media companies worked would be surprised

    Anybody who has ever interacted with their app stores know how this works, and exactly how arbitrary and capricious they are.

    I don't work in app development and I've read enough accounts of people getting banned, and especially in Google's ecosystem, subsequently losing access to their email that...come on dude.

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  • djmitchelladjmitchella Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    The Boring Company is currently ghosting a bunch of towns


    The first indication there would be a problem should have been that it was a Musk company. The second indication should have been that the machine was named Godot

    There's some pretty great in-passing snipes about innovation, too:
    The Hyperloop, a concept Mr. Musk revived based on a proposal from the 1970s, [...]
    Boring says it can improve tunneling speeds with fully electrified machines and by digging continuously, rather than stopping to assemble sections of the tunnel wall. The company also says angling machines in from ground level will help avoid the cost of first digging a shaft to launch the machine.

    Veterans of the tunneling industry note that tunnel-boring machines have been electrified for decades, and that neither continuous construction of the tunnel lining nor digging in from aboveground is new.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
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    Most of the stuff Musk claims he or his companies have invented are decades old tech.

    I recall people talk up space x reusable rockets, but those are not new either.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    I can't help but laugh at just how out of his depth Musk is. You'd expect someone who's such a "tech genius" to have heard about the infamous Apple tax sometime before now but somehow it's escaped his notice until a month after he spent billions to buy a company that puts out an app on the App Store.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    he wanted to be Tony Stark but it’s slowly turning out that he’s the entire It’s Always Sunny gang, armed with Frank’s money.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    musk wants nothing more than attention and that's what he's getting

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  • ChallChall Registered User regular
    So there has been talk about whether Twitter will go away entirely or just be left to wallow like Livejournal and others. I think we may be at a point within the next week when Twitter is delisted from Apple and Google's stores and is functionally just gone. I don't think it's been a month yet

    That would be one hell of a Tank a Huge Company Speedrun.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2022


    This is just going to be a bunch of boring stuff, including the arbitrary and stupid requests that Apple and Google make because even that is pretty boring and expected from them.

    Plus Apple and Google going going "so how are you going to deal with with all those Nazis."

    Alternatively, he never releases anything because he is bullshitting

    Couscous on
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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    A head of lettuce
    I can genuinely see apple delisting twitter, google less so

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  • mcpmcp Registered User regular
    I cannot wait until weird elon worshippers start smashing their thousand dollar phones

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
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    mcp wrote: »
    I cannot wait until weird elon worshippers start smashing their thousand dollar phones

    Oh man please post those videos when it happens. I want to live like I'm on Caffeine pills in a 90s show.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Chall wrote: »
    So there has been talk about whether Twitter will go away entirely or just be left to wallow like Livejournal and others. I think we may be at a point within the next week when Twitter is delisted from Apple and Google's stores and is functionally just gone. I don't think it's been a month yet

    That would be one hell of a Tank a Huge Company Speedrun.

    You could still view it on any internet browser

  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    mcp wrote: »
    I cannot wait until weird elon worshippers start smashing their thousand dollar phones

    It'll be like when a bunch of gun worshippers took pictures of themselves pointing their guns at their junk and cocked it up by taking the wrong kind of shot

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  • ChallChall Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Chall wrote: »
    So there has been talk about whether Twitter will go away entirely or just be left to wallow like Livejournal and others. I think we may be at a point within the next week when Twitter is delisted from Apple and Google's stores and is functionally just gone. I don't think it's been a month yet

    That would be one hell of a Tank a Huge Company Speedrun.

    You could still view it on any internet browser

    Only perverts use desktop mode, everyone knows this

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    as a pervert, can confirm.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Chall wrote: »
    So there has been talk about whether Twitter will go away entirely or just be left to wallow like Livejournal and others. I think we may be at a point within the next week when Twitter is delisted from Apple and Google's stores and is functionally just gone. I don't think it's been a month yet

    That would be one hell of a Tank a Huge Company Speedrun.

    You could still view it on any internet browser

    How dare you

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    My assumption was that the goal was to get people who don't like guns to react strongly and then be able to make fun of them for not realizing that it's a toy video game gun (while also showing off his nerd cred or whatever)

    I didn’t look closely and thought he’d been drinking and was thinking of using the gun on himself.

  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    My assumption was that the goal was to get people who don't like guns to react strongly and then be able to make fun of them for not realizing that it's a toy video game gun (while also showing off his nerd cred or whatever)

    I didn’t look closely and thought he’d been drinking and was thinking of using the gun on himself.

    If only

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
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    Magell wrote: »
    Chall wrote: »
    So there has been talk about whether Twitter will go away entirely or just be left to wallow like Livejournal and others. I think we may be at a point within the next week when Twitter is delisted from Apple and Google's stores and is functionally just gone. I don't think it's been a month yet

    That would be one hell of a Tank a Huge Company Speedrun.

    You could still view it on any internet browser

    That is not how you maintain a dominant social media platforn

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