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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I don't like to psychoanalyze from the safety of my computer, but I can't help that this hard turn to transphobia miiiiight have something to do with Grimes leaving him for another woman, who just happens to be transgender.

    His transgender child also disowned him, though his response was a fucked up thing like “can’t win them all”

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The most divorced man in history

    Of our age, at least.
    Henry VIII may still have him beat.

  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I don't like to psychoanalyze from the safety of my computer, but I can't help that this hard turn to transphobia miiiiight have something to do with Grimes leaving him for another woman, who just happens to be transgender.

    His transgender child also disowned him, though his response was a fucked up thing like “can’t win them all”

    I have lost track of his children

    fuck gendered marketing
  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    So apparently one of the people Elon has given full access to Twitter's user's private DMs is Abigail Shrier, known transphobe.


    Oh this is very not good
    Our team was given extensive, unfiltered access to Twitter's Internal communcation and systems. One of the things we wanted to know was whether Twitter systemically suppressed political speech. Here's what we found:


    In case you don’t know who Abigail Shrier, one of the people on Elon Musk’s team given access to DMs, slack, and the company computer is…

    She is a famous transphobe that advocates for mass detransitioning and Jon Oliver blasted her in his famous trans rights episode weeks ago

    Seeing as Elon handed the keys to the system over to some nakedly, blatantly transphobic assholes, I'm having a harder and harder times believing this is an oopise-boingo and not a calculated attempt to harm the marginalized.

    I think it's only the keys to the internal communications, but, a lot of those internal communications will be things like

    Leyla - "Hey Twitter staff, someone is threatening to kill me for being a trans rights activist and has exposed my home address in this tweet. Can you ban them?"
    Twitter Support - " Sorry Leyla, but until they actually kill you they are a valued customer"

    So, while your communications to like Blizzard about how much Diablo sucks are safe, your messages to their HQ just got given to a third party known for harassing LGBTQ+ people.

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Not Angry... Just VERY Disappointed...Registered User regular
    If you look upthread, some of the screenshots from the "Twitter Files" releases seem to indicate that the people Elon has granted access do, in fact, have access to private DMs.

    And when asked directly about that, Elon says those DMs "should be encrypted" - which is not an answer, and also not really possible.

  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I don't like to psychoanalyze from the safety of my computer, but I can't help that this hard turn to transphobia miiiiight have something to do with Grimes leaving him for another woman, who just happens to be transgender.

    His transgender child also disowned him, though his response was a fucked up thing like “can’t win them all”

    I have lost track of his children

    That's okay, pretty sure he has, too.

  • raging_stormraging_storm Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I don't like to psychoanalyze from the safety of my computer, but I can't help that this hard turn to transphobia miiiiight have something to do with Grimes leaving him for another woman, who just happens to be transgender.

    His transgender child also disowned him, though his response was a fucked up thing like “can’t win them all”

    I have lost track of his children

    That's OK for you they aren't your relatives. For him it's another matter.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    So apparently one of the people Elon has given full access to Twitter's user's private DMs is Abigail Shrier, known transphobe.


    Oh this is very not good
    Our team was given extensive, unfiltered access to Twitter's Internal communcation and systems. One of the things we wanted to know was whether Twitter systemically suppressed political speech. Here's what we found:


    In case you don’t know who Abigail Shrier, one of the people on Elon Musk’s team given access to DMs, slack, and the company computer is…

    She is a famous transphobe that advocates for mass detransitioning and Jon Oliver blasted her in his famous trans rights episode weeks ago

    Seeing as Elon handed the keys to the system over to some nakedly, blatantly transphobic assholes, I'm having a harder and harder times believing this is an oopise-boingo and not a calculated attempt to harm the marginalized.

    I think it's only the keys to the internal communications, but, a lot of those internal communications will be things like

    Leyla - "Hey Twitter staff, someone is threatening to kill me for being a trans rights activist and has exposed my home address in this tweet. Can you ban them?"
    Twitter Support - " Sorry Leyla, but until they actually kill you they are a valued customer"

    So, while your communications to like Blizzard about how much Diablo sucks are safe, your messages to their HQ just got given to a third party known for harassing LGBTQ+ people.

    I think there's no value in assuming anything was done properly or carefully, and hauling him in front of the FCC to explain would be a good way to clear all this up.

    After all if things were done properly, this should be easy to explain right?

    What I described is most certainly not done properly, espescially by EU standards. What I'm telling.you is what is worth worrying about and what isn't.

    If Elon just gave everyone's private messages to this lady then he's liable for literally all the money that ever existed or will exist in the EU.

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I don't like to psychoanalyze from the safety of my computer, but I can't help that this hard turn to transphobia miiiiight have something to do with Grimes leaving him for another woman, who just happens to be transgender.

    As well as his trans daughter telling him to fuck off and never return.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The most divorced man in history

    Of our age, at least.
    Henry VIII may still have him beat.

    Nah, Henry only divorced twice. he is just regulat divorced aristocrat. He would absolutely be "Elon, man, a little chill, please?"

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The most divorced man in history

    Of our age, at least.
    Henry VIII may still have him beat.

    Nah, Henry only divorced twice. he is just regulat divorced aristocrat. He would absolutely be "Elon, man, a little chill, please?"

    Yeah but he also invented divorce to do so, that's big points on the board.

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  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    At this point, someone needs to organize a public service to inform marginalized groups that they need to move to get off Twitter and delete everything there because Twitter is a clear and present danger to their safety.

    The problem is I'm sure there are a ton of people belonging to marginalized groups that are still on there because they aren't too plugged into the shit going on with Twitter and are completely unaware of the vile and dangerous bigots that Musk is giving access too.

    Also would probably help if we could corral business to start leaving.

  • CorlisCorlis Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The most divorced man in history

    Of our age, at least.
    Henry VIII may still have him beat.

    Nah, Henry only divorced twice. he is just regulat divorced aristocrat. He would absolutely be "Elon, man, a little chill, please?"

    Yeah but he also invented divorce to do so, that's big points on the board.
    Henry also executed one (or two?) of them, a depth to which Elon has not and hopefully will not sink.

    On the subject at hand, I briefly wondered whether it would be beneficial to have a government-run general-purpose social media site to provide at least one place that didn't have corporate influence. Then I remembered that China already does that and realized why it might not be the greatest idea. Also, free speech rights would actually apply on such a site, so hate speech would be an even bigger problem. It was a nice thought while it lasted...

    But I don't mind, as long as there's a bed beneath the stars that shine,
    I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
  • LilnoobsLilnoobs Alpha Queue Registered User regular
    I dont think King Henry actually dropped the axe or whatever that killed the wives. I can easily see Elon pulling a similar move - he'll just order it and others will do it.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Taibbi did a twitter files part 3 which was... that Twitter had a content moderation team during the 2020 election, and they moderated content. Oh, and look, they moderated Republicans who were spreading conspiracy theories about the election! BIAS BIAS BIAS THEY WERE IN LEAGUE WITH THE DNC!

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    So, remember those members of Twitter's security and safety council that resigned? Guess what the official response was?



    I don't think that he realizes the next time he gets sued for defamation, they'll be hiring a competent lawyer.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Also, people need to stop giving the petty tyrant ideas:
    Elon Musk said he's "open to the idea" of buying publishing platform Substack after a Twitter user said doing so would give him control over the "narrative layer" of the internet.

    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum / Steam: noxaeternum
  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    https://bluevirginia.us/2022/12/video-sen-mark-warner-says-there-are-security-issues-around-musks-absolute-dependence-on-the-communist-party-of-china

    Sen. Mark Warner (D) has expressed that he has concerns regarding Musk. Noting specifically, that Musk's financial ties to Beijing might make him a security threat. Also pointed out that it's interesting how willing Musk is to bend the knee before Chinese authorities, but shows absolute contempt for both US and European regulators.

    Also since this is the social media thread, Warner had thoughts about TikTok. Expressing his two main concerns with it are that it's collecting a fuck ton of data and without saying it directly doesn't somewhat get the point through it's collecting data it doesn't need, which is being given to Chinese. The other issue is that since TikTok is a Chinese company and by extension controlled by the Chinese government, it's a bit problematic that they are running a platform that can decide what information people get served and that the CCP could easily use that to push their narrative to the it's users to undermine what is really going on.

    Hard to say where any of this will go with the GOP supposedly taking over the US House next year. I'll admit I haven't looked into what authority and how far the Biden administration and US regulators could go. It does look like TikTok is probably going to get banned and the increasing friction between Beijing and Washington might result in Musk getting smeared in the crossfire. The little shit is getting all the wrong attention and since at least one Democratic Senator is eyeing his ties to Beijing, the GOP may not come to the fuckers rescue if that is what the Biden administration goes after him on.

    Granted, Warner is run about Musk being a bring guy. Musk is a fucking idiot tyrant and people need to stop assigning intelligence the the dumb fuck/

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    I should probably start rotating passwords today.

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Taibbi did a twitter files part 3 which was... that Twitter had a content moderation team during the 2020 election, and they moderated content. Oh, and look, they moderated Republicans who were spreading conspiracy theories about the election! BIAS BIAS BIAS THEY WERE IN LEAGUE WITH THE DNC!

    Yeah, it's really looking like they're pushing the "They didn't censor both sides equally, therefore bias", ignoring that one side was significantly more often breaking the rules.

    It's a fucking toxic belief, that balance is fairness. No, fair is making sure both sides play by the same rules. Democrats mostly did, Republicans more often didn't. And that's why they got dinged more.

    It's infuriating.

    It's supposed to be infuriating. That's their entire goal.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Taibbi did a twitter files part 3 which was... that Twitter had a content moderation team during the 2020 election, and they moderated content. Oh, and look, they moderated Republicans who were spreading conspiracy theories about the election! BIAS BIAS BIAS THEY WERE IN LEAGUE WITH THE DNC!

    Yeah, it's really looking like they're pushing the "They didn't censor both sides equally, therefore bias", ignoring that one side was significantly more often breaking the rules.

    It's a fucking toxic belief, that balance is fairness. No, fair is making sure both sides play by the same rules. Democrats mostly did, Republicans more often didn't. And that's why they got dinged more.

    It's infuriating.

    It's supposed to be infuriating. That's their entire goal.

    Moreso not because the bad faith fuckers propogate it, but that seemingly neutral arbiters also do it.

    I expect this from FOX. I expect it from Twitter under Musk. I shouldn't be expecting it from NYT/WAPO/CNN etc.

    I think we'd be living in a much different world if institutions had called out the bullshit the last couple decades, instead of "gotta appear balanced", or trading balance for access.

    NYT and CNN have been clearly pushing narratives rightward for decades now. WAPO I'm not sure about, but they're happy to host right wing nutter editorials.

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Musk is now threatening to fire employees who leak Twitter communications to the press.

    NEW: Elon Musk is threatening to sue Twitter employees who leak confidential information to the press. He's asking staffers to sign a pledge indicating they've understood. Here's the email:

    ...

    Employees have by 5pm today to respond.

    This is while he's making a whole dog and pony show out of leaking their confidential information to alt-right propogandists.

    Rules for thee, not for me. Transparency only for when it serves my agenda.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I feel like NYT editing has moved very far rightward the last 10 years. They were considered liberal media forever but they were also always small-c conservative with their language and framing which now benefits the far right extremists as they have taken hold of the GOP.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2022
    The problem with media conglomerates is that, while the people working there, in general, take the job seriously, the people in charge are the type of people that own and run conglomerates

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Taibbi did a twitter files part 3 which was... that Twitter had a content moderation team during the 2020 election, and they moderated content. Oh, and look, they moderated Republicans who were spreading conspiracy theories about the election! BIAS BIAS BIAS THEY WERE IN LEAGUE WITH THE DNC!

    Yeah, it's really looking like they're pushing the "They didn't censor both sides equally, therefore bias", ignoring that one side was significantly more often breaking the rules.

    It's a fucking toxic belief, that balance is fairness. No, fair is making sure both sides play by the same rules. Democrats mostly did, Republicans more often didn't. And that's why they got dinged more.

    It's infuriating.

    It's supposed to be infuriating. That's their entire goal.

    Moreso not because the bad faith fuckers propogate it, but that seemingly neutral arbiters also do it.

    I expect this from FOX. I expect it from Twitter under Musk. I shouldn't be expecting it from NYT/WAPO/CNN etc.

    I think we'd be living in a much different world if institutions had called out the bullshit the last couple decades, instead of "gotta appear balanced", or trading balance for access.

    NYT and CNN have been clearly pushing narratives rightward for decades now. WAPO I'm not sure about, but they're happy to host right wing nutter editorials.

    WaPo is wholly owned by Jeff Bezos', so...

  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    The problem with media conglomerates is that, while the people working there, in general, take the job seriously, the people in charge are the type of people that own and run conglomerates

    Yep, this is what we see happening with all the local TV stations being bought by Sinclair. The low level people might want to do a good job, but pretty much get stopped by the piece of shit authoritarian that owns their station, who wants to push a narrative.

    I'd argue with both social media and regular news media. We probably should push for a model that makes them both nonprofits and governed by a board instead of for profit outfits that are run by fiat by a single out of touch asshole. Granted, it would require some changes to labor law and the rules governing non-profits. I'll list some of the bigger changes that I think would help.

    -For nonprofits, have a cap on salaries. It's not a for profit and we should discourage assholes from popping into this sector to get lots of money, If they want a million dollar income from a single job, then they can go into the for profit sector. I suspect this would help because it might keep some of the worst assholes from even applying to be on the board for social media platform new news platform because they want to get a fuck ton of money; especially, since this would remove a really shitty tax loophole with nonprofits, where they donate a few million to the nonprofit they own and it just happens to pay their spouse, friend, sibling or anyone else close to them with a salary of a few million dollars. Also probably results in the right having a smaller pool of assholes that can come across as credible and that might make all the difference in keeping their shit from getting mainstream acceptance.

    -The board is to remove a setup where a single person is running the show and that probably results in some of the assholes not even get involved because it's enough of cut to their potential power that they stay away. I'd even go further and set the board positions to having set terms, requiring that they are staggered. That people can only serve on a limited number of boards and mean limited, like maybe no more than three. Hell, that part should be for all industries, none of this shit where you got some jackass rich fucker that's some how on nearly all the boards for all the major companies. This would be where we do the labor reform where at will employment by bosses gets nuked. You want to fire someone, you either have to wait for their contract to end if they have one or you have to present documentation to justify firing them. The idea is to prevent some rich fucker from running a nonprofit from the shadows. The board has to vote to approve all the major shit and there is no way for them to get rid of people that decide not do what they want on a whim. The staggering also makes it harder for them to bid their time and replace the entire board with puppets; especially, if you do something like make the terms six years with only a third being up for replacement. Also ups the chances that someone on the board or their staff may catch onto the nonprofit's founder or current CEO with no power trying to illegally influence the board, since they are going to have to wait almost half a decade to replace the whole board with sycophants and their is no guarantee that some of those sycophants don't go rogue, when they realize that the head honcho can't fire them on a whim until their contract ends, so as long as their actions are within the law and not something legal that would still be cause for termination at the company.

    -Full transparency on just about everything. If they take donations, the donor names are known. The amounts the donors have given are known, along with when and how often those donations are made. They are also forbidden from taking donation, if an entity can act as a go between then allows for anonymity. In the case of social media and news companies, they cannot donate to political campaigns. Also if they offer advertising for political stuff, they have to offer equal time. AKA if they decide to interview someone, they have to offer to do the same length interview opportunity to the other side. If they don't want to do that, then maybe they shouldn't be doing the first interview in the first place because they are likely trying to give an unfair advantage to one side. After all both sides aren't required to take the platform up on the offer for an interview and the platform shouldn't be playing softball with either side anyways. As for ads, if they have them, campaigns for actual candidates should get to buy air time at a quarter of the market rate because these are nonprofits and to balance things out a little PACs and SuperPACs have to pay triple the rate, also equal air time applies and for fairness and simplification all ads supporting a candidate will be clumped together. AKA if a republican candidate puts out 10 ads, while supporting PACs and SuperPACs aired 20 ads, then the democratic or any other eligible candidate running against that republican, get 30 ads aired and this can be any combination of ads from the campaign, PACs or SuperPACs. Yes, the goal is very much to fuck over PACs and SuperPACs, while also make it rather undesirable for social media platforms and well really any media platform to run constant political ads; especially, in a way that advantages a one side, even more so if that side only has money, while being filled to the bring with terrible ideas. (Hell, for the record, if I had my way, I'd kill CU. If I can't get that, which probably means not being able to kill funding an infinity number of candidates. I'd figure out what is a reasonable amount of money for the average citizen to donate in a year to campaign currently, make a law that states that amount, which will adjust with inflation, will incur no taxes, but any cent above that is going to get taxed at a million percent, maybe even higher than that).

    Would this solve everything? No, I'm going to pretend it would because the issues were dealing are pretty complex and if they were easy to solve, we wouldn't be in this mess. I do think getting much of the money and ability to have power over others out of social media and well regular news media, would have an positive impact on the current state of affairs. Seems like access power and wealth attract the worst fucking people and a lack of both of those things tends to result in many of the worst fuckers going else where because many of them are about behavioral efficiency. Even if social media and news media could be leveraged to undo shit that has moved money and power out of them, many of the worst fuckers often don't want to work if they have other options available that require less work to get bigger payouts or more power.

  • LabelLabel Registered User regular
    If only pithy comments made media infrastructure for progressive spaces.


    I don't mean to be overly harsh on some comic highlighting how full of shit Musk is. It seems a fine comic, and we should want more like it.

    The problem is the sentiment is kind of a bit redundant for me, at this point. And it's no replacement for effective action.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Man I bet all the people who were making claims that it is a replacement for effective action feel pretty dumb now

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    Just the man we need to take humanity to Mars.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    Just the man we need to take humanity to Mars.

    On Ark Fleet Ship B

  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Not Angry... Just VERY Disappointed...Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    The man literally retired.

    What the fuck is Elon doing?

    Edit: Who the fuck is even calling for a lockdown?? Did we ever actually even HAVE a FIRST lockdown in the US??? I feel like I'm going insane here!

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    The man literally retired.

    What the fuck is Elon doing?

    Edit: Who the fuck is even calling for a lockdown?? Did we ever actually even HAVE a FIRST lockdown in the US??? I feel like I'm going insane here!

    I'm sure someone tweeted this to him, because the man's never seen an original idea he couldn't claim for his own.

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    Crosspost from SE:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_local_government_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._federal_government_response_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

    Like, I was alive two and a half years ago during the Trump administration, Elon. There was never a federally-mandated lockdown; states and counties patchworked their own rules for that which largely evaporated by the time Biden was sworn in. And Biden was always about shots in arms, not lockdowns. Biden is WILDLY opposed to suggesting anything be other than hunky-dory back-to-normal wrt the pandemic.

    Just...what even is this horseshit?

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    The man literally retired.

    What the fuck is Elon doing?

    Edit: Who the fuck is even calling for a lockdown?? Did we ever actually even HAVE a FIRST lockdown in the US??? I feel like I'm going insane here!

    We did in March 2020 for the most part. Not fully, and a lot of those "essential" jobs that were allowed to ignore public health orders included things like Starbucks and McDonald's. But yeah, at this point there are functionally zero COVID protocols mandated by the Feds. I think the last vestige is at the border and will end this month. Just places doing their own thing on their own property.

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