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[Forspoken] Spell based shenanigans on 24/01/23

AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered User regular
So I couldn't find a thread for this game, but now that the demo actually came out and is available on PS5 currently I was actually really impressed with the game. First here is the release trailer to remind you where we started:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5dUXpDOpbQ

Our protagonist is sucked through a portal into a land of magic fascists who are hoarding magic to themselves for some reason (it wasn't clear from the demo), so naturally it's up to you to go and blow them up to stop them. Also they confirmed on twitter that during this adventure someone is indeed looking after the kitty. As mentioned though there is a demo out and the game has some legitimate depth to the combat system, looks great and once I adjusted to performance mode ran at a solid consistent framerate while looking really good. There is some deep customization with upgrading spells, your cloak and your necklace plus whatever else the game does that might not be in the demo.

Originally I thought this game was pretty bland but after playing it I've really come around - especially to the depth in the combat system and how fun the magic parkour is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6skG7ykCiY

That's the official gameplay trailer/showcase from a few months back above, but I also played the demo and some of my footage is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PXWNJZ17og

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_YtRJ-hJiI

Honestly didn't expect that I would be this interested in the game and it's super fun. My sole complaint I hope they address before release, which is that she has that problem a lot of voiced protagonists as of late have - which is a constant motor mouth never ceasing to stop commenting on things. Hopefully that's toned way down by the time the game comes out.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    There's an option to lower the chatter in the menu i believe!

    But man I've been excited for this game since they first showed it. I'm really glad the demo is getting positive buzz and sounds like it's pretty good!

    Now I can be extra excited for next month. I think I'm actually going to play this before fire emblem!

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    I'm glad people are liking the demo. I wish it was available on PC though, I really want to give the game a shot.

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    EtiowsaEtiowsa Registered User regular
    FYI there's an auto loot option under accessibility that everyone should turn on. Saves some mashing when running through random fields and having to press again when you open chests, a truly confusing decision.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Etiowsa wrote: »
    FYI there's an auto loot option under accessibility that everyone should turn on. Saves some mashing when running through random fields and having to press again when you open chests, a truly confusing decision.

    I actually like manually picking things up, except for the second triangle press when opening a chest for some reason.

    There have been some other videos recently, but a lot of them are going too hard on spoiling cool stuff that happens in the story so I highly don't recommend watching them.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Everything I've heard about this game sounds interesting.

    It seems like SE's Japan branch attempting its first real go at a big budget open world game(I don't really count FFXV).

    Combat looks really cool.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Yea it looks to fill that Prototype/infamous hole in gaming right now. But with even bigger spell effects.

    And that all sounds fantastic. I will gladly take a little jank to get that experience. And let's be honest most of those games were 3/5 games but just extremely fun.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Prototype is one of the greatest jank games of all time.

    TBH I think this game actually plays quite well, but the demo does it a disservice a bit because it's a LOT of mechanics to dump on the player in 30 seconds - as opposed to the clear slow build you would have before then.

    And yeah, you definitely start with magic that would only be had after beating the first main story boss too, making it even more complicated. But once you're used to all the toys it gives you it's really great.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    They even said that this is a demo from September I believe that was built with a different game flow than the actual release product just for the sake of showing off spefic stuff at a show.

    So it is a build from months ago and not even an actual section of the real game!

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    EtiowsaEtiowsa Registered User regular
    Huh, apparently looking at the books in safehouses let you activate mini challenges for each of your spells that power up both the spell and the school. They really did skip a lot of tutorials lol.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    So the reviews are not great unfortunately, here are the key takeaways:

    Most are lukewarm on the story and writing in particular, with a lot actively hating the fact the protagonist is unable to shut up (a common thing in a lot of these games lately)

    Takes about 15ish hours to beat the story and around 40-50 if you want to do all the things.

    Combat becomes really great towards the end and then, like many games, the game somewhat ends. There are also major performance problems with the water spells apparently.

    Most reviews think very little of the world and the aesthetics of it, calling it bland or lifeless.

    So overall seems disappointing, but at least most of the reviews liked the core combat part of the game.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Well there is a post game and lots to do on the map so the game doesn’t for really “end” right after you open up all four elements.

    The combat is the main draw and that’s been getting praise. I’ve seen some ridiculous spell combos from people that have been mixing it up.

    There’s even an option to automatically switch to a new cooldown spell after you’ve used it so you can be constantly moving through your arsenal without even needing to use a quick menu.

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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    I'm probably going to pick this up and immediately turn banter between the main character and Cuff down to minimum.

    I'm pretty forgiving of cringey writing, and I've always wanted to be an Isekai weezurd.

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    NosfNosf Registered User regular
    $94 on Steam in Canada for the basic edition and ... there have been no PC reviews. Yeaaaaaaa... sorry Square Imma pass on this for a bit until we hear a little more.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    I guess I’m just easy to please because a lot of the dialogue I’ve seen as examples of it being bad either get a chuckle from me or at least a “heh”.

    Like one of the optional conversations with Cuff at the start Frey asks it “What *are* you?” and his response of “I am… what you see.” prompts an annoyed “And you’ll tell me more once I answer your riddles three?”

    Then later after being captured by a big villain who is going on and on in typical JRPG villain fashion, but in rhyme Frey exasperated says “Shit, if you’re going to rhyme everything just kill me now.”

    I find these examples completely inoffensive and even amusing.

    And I’ve been playing Fire Emblem Engage so I’m fresh off some *REAL* bad dialogue.

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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    $94 on Steam in Canada for the basic edition and ... there have been no PC reviews. Yeaaaaaaa... sorry Square Imma pass on this for a bit until we hear a little more.

    Absolutely, they haven't given any PC codes out. Normally when publishers do this, they're being real scummy and trying to hide a crappy port from consumers.

    Definitely not buying this on PC until I've seen some reviews, but the PS5 version is probably safe.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    I guess I’m just easy to please because a lot of the dialogue I’ve seen as examples of it being bad either get a chuckle from me or at least a “heh”.

    Like one of the optional conversations with Cuff at the start Frey asks it “What *are* you?” and his response of “I am… what you see.” prompts an annoyed “And you’ll tell me more once I answer your riddles three?”

    Then later after being captured by a big villain who is going on and on in typical JRPG villain fashion, but in rhyme Frey exasperated says “Shit, if you’re going to rhyme everything just kill me now.”

    I find these examples completely inoffensive and even amusing.

    And I’ve been playing Fire Emblem Engage so I’m fresh off some *REAL* bad dialogue.

    I haven't seen much, but Frey does seem to fit my image of what a New Yorker who gets sucked into a isekai would react.
    Digital Foundry did their tech review, and it doesn't seem too bad? Some frame drops, but not constant, some complaints about the shadows that I couldn't even see until they really pointed it out, but I'm pretty sure I'll be able to ignore.
    The price is pretty high for me right now, but I'm thinking this'll probably be on some kind of sale by the summer, and I'll probably pick it up then.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    I saw IGN say that the Protag was “well-acted but largely unlikable New Yorker”, which kinda made me laugh.

    CNN’s big complaint was that after each character says something the screen goes black and the next person speaks and the screen goes black and then the other person speaks and the screen goes black. Which does sound like something that would frustrate me.

    Still I think the game looks neat and I’ll likely get it, but not until it goes on sale.

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    I'm definitely going to wait on a sale for this one.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    General vibe I'm getting from reviews is that it's a solid enough 7/10 game, but the backlash compared to the hype and price is making it sound like a 5.
    Wait for a sale is definitely the gist I'm hearing, but it's sad that that's probably going to smother any hopes of an ongoing franchise. Publishers tend to take responses like that as a hint to just drop the game ASAP. Square-Enix dropped Deus Ex after Mankind Divided was seen to 'flop' by not doing insane sales in it's first month or so.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    I'm quite excited to play tonight and I'll give my opinions then!

    There are enough very good scores on there from reputable people that it feels like more of a vibe thing. Like it doesn't sound like a poorly made game.

    I don't mind the dialogue because I play JRPGs and like marvel movies so I'm good there. And I've seen other reviews actually like the story if they aren't caught up with the dialogue.

    And the combat seems to give back when you put in time with that which I also enjoy so that shouldn't bother me either. And I actually prefer when games don't give you everything too quickly so that "issue" shouldn't bother too much?

    Either way ill be playing through. Worse case scenario I'm out a few bucks. No biggie.

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    urahonkyurahonky Resident FF7R hater Registered User regular
    Yeah it definitely sounds like something I should pass on. I hate Marvel movies and JRPG dialogue lol. When it shows up on PS+ I may give it a go.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    General vibe I'm getting from reviews is that it's a solid enough 7/10 game, but the backlash compared to the hype and price is making it sound like a 5.
    Wait for a sale is definitely the gist I'm hearing, but it's sad that that's probably going to smother any hopes of an ongoing franchise. Publishers tend to take responses like that as a hint to just drop the game ASAP. Square-Enix dropped Deus Ex after Mankind Divided was seen to 'flop' by not doing insane sales in it's first month or so.

    I feel like that's been happening somewhat frequently, lately.

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    rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    klemming wrote: »
    General vibe I'm getting from reviews is that it's a solid enough 7/10 game, but the backlash compared to the hype and price is making it sound like a 5.
    Wait for a sale is definitely the gist I'm hearing, but it's sad that that's probably going to smother any hopes of an ongoing franchise. Publishers tend to take responses like that as a hint to just drop the game ASAP. Square-Enix dropped Deus Ex after Mankind Divided was seen to 'flop' by not doing insane sales in it's first month or so.

    I feel like that's been happening somewhat frequently, lately.

    A lot of studios have struggled through Covid. 2022 most games were just delayed out, 2023 the bill is coming due.

    Dead Space remake is also keeping their embargo suspiciously close to release.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Yeah when you think about it we are now in year 3 of the current gen.

    Usually you start getting the first wave of big releases in year 2.

    Pandemic basically pushed everything back 1-2 years.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Honestly, watching streams of this it feels like the thing that would bother me most is the frequent fade to blacks throughout cutscenes. That feels like something that could be fixed with an update, but almost certainly won't.

    I'm also becoming more predisposed to like this game because I just saw a youtube video proclaiming FORSPOKEN FLOPS when it's been out for less than 24 hours, and I'm 40% powered by spite.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    klemming wrote: »
    General vibe I'm getting from reviews is that it's a solid enough 7/10 game, but the backlash compared to the hype and price is making it sound like a 5.
    Wait for a sale is definitely the gist I'm hearing, but it's sad that that's probably going to smother any hopes of an ongoing franchise. Publishers tend to take responses like that as a hint to just drop the game ASAP. Square-Enix dropped Deus Ex after Mankind Divided was seen to 'flop' by not doing insane sales in it's first month or so.

    I feel like that's been happening somewhat frequently, lately.

    A lot of studios have struggled through Covid. 2022 most games were just delayed out, 2023 the bill is coming due.

    Dead Space remake is also keeping their embargo suspiciously close to release.

    Oh, I meant people being exceptionally shitty about solid 7-8/10 games.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    klemming wrote: »
    General vibe I'm getting from reviews is that it's a solid enough 7/10 game, but the backlash compared to the hype and price is making it sound like a 5.
    Wait for a sale is definitely the gist I'm hearing, but it's sad that that's probably going to smother any hopes of an ongoing franchise. Publishers tend to take responses like that as a hint to just drop the game ASAP. Square-Enix dropped Deus Ex after Mankind Divided was seen to 'flop' by not doing insane sales in it's first month or so.

    I feel like that's been happening somewhat frequently, lately.

    A lot of studios have struggled through Covid. 2022 most games were just delayed out, 2023 the bill is coming due.

    Dead Space remake is also keeping their embargo suspiciously close to release.

    Oh, I meant people being exceptionally shitty about solid 7-8/10 games.

    Games are either a masterpiece or a disaster by to vocal internet standards. There is nothing else possible

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    It's hardly new. All numbers below 8 are mathematically identical to 0, why would you even play those?

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    This happened. Times Square has a 3D billboard.
    https://youtu.be/sr6C6je8Kmo

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I did not realize that the demo was out. I will have to pull it down.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    The game looks okay to me. Not great but not terrible either.

    I'll probably pick it up once I'm done with Fire Emblem.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    The reviews are all over the place on this one. It is nuts.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    The reviews are all over the place on this one. It is nuts.

    I feel like it is one of those games that is aggressively okay and how harsh you are towards it will depend on what you made it to be in your head.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I just tried the demo. The performance is shit. This was on a 1080GTX. The game has some kind of loading issue. It was pausing all the time.
    Made me wonder if it expects you to have a SSD.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    You can set it so it automatically cycles your cooldown spells when you use one so you don't have to go into your quick select wheel to pick another.

    Just going rapid fire from Plant Turret to Vine Whip, to DoT Parasite, to Immobilizing Roots feels so badass. While flipping around through the air and throwing out the dodge attacks.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Yeah not gonna lie I'm a sucker for any action game that let's me be a combat mage.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I will try it on the PS5. It is definitely not optimized for the PC. Yikes. Gotham Knights and Elden Ring ran totally fine on my computer.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Yeah I'm wondering how the full release runs. Kind of hoping the demo is an early build thing but I doubt it.

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    NosfNosf Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Krathoon wrote: »
    I just tried the demo. The performance is shit. This was on a 1080GTX. The game has some kind of loading issue. It was pausing all the time.
    Made me wonder if it expects you to have a SSD.

    Requirements last I checked were 150 GB free on an SSD. Going to have a look at it, no intent to buy at the current price though.

    edit: Demo is just 42gb.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    I feel comfortable saying that if a game's a current-gen exclusive on consoles, it will 100% expect you to have an SSD. I think the massive RAM requirements might be a step to mitigate that (can't guarantee a PC with an SSD is going to meet the reliably known speeds of a console, so maybe try to load more in RAM whenever possible? It's the kind of thing I'd definitely like to see an in-depth tech review of).

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