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[Forspoken] Spell based shenanigans on 24/01/23

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    Krathoon wrote: »
    I just tried the demo. The performance is shit. This was on a 1080GTX. The game has some kind of loading issue. It was pausing all the time.
    Made me wonder if it expects you to have a SSD.

    Requirements last I checked were 150 GB free on an SSD. Going to have a look at it, no intent to buy at the current price though.

    edit: Demo is just 42gb.

    I will try it on the SSD on my laptop. Right now, I am downloading the demo on the PS5.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    I can't imagine anyone trying to play a modern game on a spinning platter nowadays.

    It just doesn't work.

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    NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Will be interesting to see the digital foundry PC video eventually.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I can't imagine anyone trying to play a modern game on a spinning platter nowadays.

    It just doesn't work.

    It works fine. I have been using external hard drives. It seems like we are reaching a point now where they are demanding a SSD.
    I wonder if an external SSD would work fine. I am running out of usb ports.

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    AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Ah man, even NPR didn't like it, finding it borderline offensive, "Forspoken makes the nightmarish choice to start with its Black protagonist in court for her third felony. If the sloppy opening — presenting Frey's entire backstory through documents on a table, with a judge handing down a community service sentence — doesn't turn you off immediately, the lack of consideration only gets worse from there."

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Ooooh. I found a 2TB refurbished SSD for $135.

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    NosfNosf Registered User regular
    i only have a couple SSD slots on my motherboard, but you could do... a PCI one, I think?

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    rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    klemming wrote: »
    I feel comfortable saying that if a game's a current-gen exclusive on consoles, it will 100% expect you to have an SSD. I think the massive RAM requirements might be a step to mitigate that (can't guarantee a PC with an SSD is going to meet the reliably known speeds of a console, so maybe try to load more in RAM whenever possible? It's the kind of thing I'd definitely like to see an in-depth tech review of).

    People keep saying this but I think it's just because the PS5 is already a 16GB unified memory console where the exact amount of memory reserved for the OS is known. Windows could need any amount of memory based on what other programs you are running and it has to ship stuff back and forth to VRAM, so just having some breathing room is important. Something like 24 GB would probably be enough if buying memory in that way made any kind of practical sense.

    This thing also seems to be a 10+ gb VRAM hog (again that unified memory on PS5) so that could be related.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I am also running low on ram too. I got 16GB. The demo seemed to work well. I suspect the real problem was the lack of a SSD.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    This may be a case where the game should have been console only. It needed to be re-worked to run on PC.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I can't imagine anyone trying to play a modern game on a spinning platter nowadays.

    It just doesn't work.

    Yeah, I just get dizzy

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Axen wrote: »
    Ah man, even NPR didn't like it, finding it borderline offensive, "Forspoken makes the nightmarish choice to start with its Black protagonist in court for her third felony. If the sloppy opening — presenting Frey's entire backstory through documents on a table, with a judge handing down a community service sentence — doesn't turn you off immediately, the lack of consideration only gets worse from there."

    Oh dear :(

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    If it gets worse I haven’t seen it so I dont know what they could mean.

    It’s pretty standard for people who get Isekai’d to be down on their luck when it happens.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    They needed the main character be an engineer or physicist or something.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    My battery backup also started beeping when I was running the demo. I assume that was just a coincidence.
    It makes me wonder if I am drawing too much power or something.

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Viskod wrote: »
    If it gets worse I haven’t seen it so I dont know what they could mean.

    It’s pretty standard for people who get Isekai’d to be down on their luck when it happens.

    Sure but... She could have been in the tech industry and given the layoff notice. Then on the way home her car breaks down and her boyfriend leaves her. Something like that instead of what we got.

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    NosfNosf Registered User regular
    I think for the most part in isekais they don't really address the whole modern slang; shield hero maybe a couple times references the world in game terms but most don't seem to get into that.

    Played the demo, not really my thing? I dunno, the demo world does seem bland. Magic sort of feels like Black Desert witch gameplay with better traversal out of combat instead of riding a horse.

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    LilnoobsLilnoobs Alpha Queue Registered User regular
    Axen wrote: »
    Ah man, even NPR didn't like it, finding it borderline offensive, "Forspoken makes the nightmarish choice to start with its Black protagonist in court for her third felony. If the sloppy opening — presenting Frey's entire backstory through documents on a table, with a judge handing down a community service sentence — doesn't turn you off immediately, the lack of consideration only gets worse from there."

    Ouch. I think the only way to salvage that is if they framed the justice system and police as overtly corrupt - which I doubt a japanese dev did.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Wow, the demo runs like garbage. Getting 23 FPS on a 5950X + 3090, regardless of settings.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I like this so far. Im only an hour in but so far so good.

    Runs fine on my 2080 Ti on ultra settings. *shrug*

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I can't imagine anyone trying to play a modern game on a spinning platter nowadays.

    It just doesn't work.

    Runs totally fine off one of my 6TB Western Digital Black mechanical drives.

    I did have a stuttering issue once, but once I alt-tabbed and quit all the porn running in the background it ran smooth again.

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    NosfNosf Registered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Wow, the demo runs like garbage. Getting 23 FPS on a 5950X + 3090, regardless of settings.

    Hm, 90 to 110 fps on a i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz and 3080ti. Didn't change any settings at all, that's straight from initial load to new game to playing.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    First day thoughts!

    I'll start with the not so great:

    Visuals are uneven. Sometimes it looks great. Sometimes it feels lacking. Maybe they couldn't figure out how to push it while keeping the crazy level of endgame spell effects? Dunno!

    The weird pauses. This is probably my biggest issue. It affects the whole presentation of the game. There's bizarrely long pauses between lines characters say. Or just before a scene with talking started. It really gets in the way of the flow.

    The good:

    Combat! Still early but I can see some potential cool things here. And it feels new and unique! This deserves some credit imo. I cannot recommend enough to turn on the auto select support spells. Not to make things easier but it just creates such an interesting flow to combat.

    You'll constantly see a new support spell appear and then you react to that in combat to decide what you are doing or setting up. And then sometimes your next support spell works well with the one you just cast so now you wanna throw it out real fast on top of other. And I can already imagine with new elements how some supports will work well with a different element which makes you switch over and then opens up new supports and... its just really cool!

    Outside of the presentation issues above the dialogue is totally fine. Legit the MC talks more like a normal person than a majority of even highly rated JRPGs so I'm not really seeing how it can be knocked for that.

    Overall it's definitely going to be either a 3/5 or a 4/5 from me depending on how much it evolves from here.

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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    I've heard multiple people say that you should turn on "automatic support spell switching" in the menu to make combat feel smoother. You won't have to go into a menu to switch to your next support spell, it will just flip to the next one off cooldown. You won't need to target support spells until endgame anyways, at which point you'll know what you're doing in terms of spell combos.

    Steam: Spawnbroker
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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Just got the fire spells oh my god all of these are so much fun.

    Basic attack is a fire sword and its charged attacks can be:
    -A giant flame AoE swing of the sword
    -A bunch of Jojo ORA ORA punches into an explosion
    -A thrown fire spear, and if you use this attack in the air you fly toward your target and come down on top of them like a Dragoon causing a bunch of other flame spears to shoot out of the ground around you for an AoE.

    Support Spells so far are:
    -A flying flame tackle that can even track to things in the air
    -A roundhouse fire kick that knocks things back and makes them explode
    -Summoned Fire Swords that float behind you and attack with you
    -Summoned Fire elemental soldiers that attack enemies
    -Surrounding the area you're in with walls of fire damaging anything that tries to leave and increasing your attack power while you're inside
    -A Fire Whip that yanks things into Melee range that can be used while using your ranged Earth magic to automatically switch to the Fire Melee magic

    Also I don't know who could see the Break infested jagged cliffs of Sila's domain and think "This world design is boring."

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Just got the fire spells oh my god all of these are so much fun.

    Basic attack is a fire sword and its charged attacks can be:
    -A giant flame AoE swing of the sword
    -A bunch of Jojo ORA ORA punches into an explosion
    -A thrown fire spear, and if you use this attack in the air you fly toward your target and come down on top of them like a Dragoon causing a bunch of other flame spears to shoot out of the ground around you for an AoE.

    Support Spells so far are:
    -A flying flame tackle that can even track to things in the air
    -A roundhouse fire kick that knocks things back and makes them explode
    -Summoned Fire Swords that float behind you and attack with you
    -Summoned Fire elemental soldiers that attack enemies
    -Surrounding the area you're in with walls of fire damaging anything that tries to leave and increasing your attack power to increase while you're inside
    -A Fire Whip that yanks things into Melee range that can be used while using your ranged Earth magic to automatically switch to the Fire Melee magic

    Also I don't know who could see the Break infested jagged cliffs of Sila's domain and think "This world design is boring."

    Ohhh i want that so bad. And just thinking about how many more options and potential combos are added after even more elements... gods damn!

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    edited January 2023
    Oh also I forgot to throw in I'm really digging the weird world and fucked up monsters. No traditional fantasy world here. Gimme that WEIRD.

    And the music so far has been awesome. Some real tripping music with killer beats, haunting/pretty vocals and a nice touch of weird there too.

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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    The biggest miss for me so far is that you're locked out of major schools of magic until you beat story bosses. In an open world game.

    It almost feels like they should've made it a mostly linear experience until you get all your magic schools, and then open it up. Or put those major school unlocks out in the open world, instead.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited January 2023
    The biggest miss for me so far is that you're locked out of major schools of magic until you beat story bosses. In an open world game.

    It almost feels like they should've made it a mostly linear experience until you get all your magic schools, and then open it up. Or put those major school unlocks out in the open world, instead.

    It is a mostly linear experience until you get magic that opens up the world and the next area. It's not actually a true open world game.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Wow, the demo runs like garbage. Getting 23 FPS on a 5950X + 3090, regardless of settings.

    Hm, 90 to 110 fps on a i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz and 3080ti. Didn't change any settings at all, that's straight from initial load to new game to playing.

    *shrugs* Runs like garbage for me. I'm assuming some kind of strange hardware/driver/whatever incompatibility that I just happen to trigger. Given I am seeing a lot of other reports, including a PC Gamer article, about it being a very, very rough PC port, I'm not surprised.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
    Steam: Brainling, XBL / PSN: GnomeTank, NintendoID: Brainling, FF14: Zillius Rosh SFV: Brainling
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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I went ahead and bought a cheap external SSD. I'll try the demo with it when I get it in on Friday.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Ha, figured out why it was running like trash. I installed new drivers and when I do that sometimes it magically knocks the power target of my GPU down to the minimum. Even a 3090 struggles with stuff at 45% power target.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
    Steam: Brainling, XBL / PSN: GnomeTank, NintendoID: Brainling, FF14: Zillius Rosh SFV: Brainling
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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    When you upgrade the Fire Spear to level 3, it sticks into its target and then explodes.

    The game has more of a Metroid feel to it honestly. Now that I've gotten the second element and progressed the story, I'm sure I'll be directed to the "next" area of the game for the next Tanta, but now that I have the Fire Whip to swing around on and yank myself to places with the Fire Tanta's area is easier to explore with more stuff I can get to.

    The games map is gigantic and the scale is just ridiculous. I thought the castle of the first Tanta sat on a cliff that was "Edge of the world" map territory, but NO I found a way down there and it's just another scorched and desolate zone of huge stone arcs, spikes, chests, and a magical pond that gave me a new Fire spell.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    My power plan may have been that problem with the demo. I had it on balanced. I bumped it up to high performance.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Yeah. The power plan was throttling the video card. The game plays fine now.

    My battery backup is beeping. I may need to find a way to turn that off.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    When you upgrade the Fire Spear to level 3, it sticks into its target and then explodes.

    The game has more of a Metroid feel to it honestly. Now that I've gotten the second element and progressed the story, I'm sure I'll be directed to the "next" area of the game for the next Tanta, but now that I have the Fire Whip to swing around on and yank myself to places with the Fire Tanta's area is easier to explore with more stuff I can get to.

    The games map is gigantic and the scale is just ridiculous. I thought the castle of the first Tanta sat on a cliff that was "Edge of the world" map territory, but NO I found a way down there and it's just another scorched and desolate zone of huge stone arcs, spikes, chests, and a magical pond that gave me a new Fire spell.

    Stop it! You're making me more excited to play and I have to wait until tomorrow.

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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    I'm excited to boot this up tonight. Most of what I've been hearing is that this gives a really bad first impression. Once it gets out of its own way and let's you play the wizard game, it's pretty fun

    Steam: Spawnbroker
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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    When you upgrade the Fire Spear to level 3, it sticks into its target and then explodes.

    The game has more of a Metroid feel to it honestly. Now that I've gotten the second element and progressed the story, I'm sure I'll be directed to the "next" area of the game for the next Tanta, but now that I have the Fire Whip to swing around on and yank myself to places with the Fire Tanta's area is easier to explore with more stuff I can get to.

    The games map is gigantic and the scale is just ridiculous. I thought the castle of the first Tanta sat on a cliff that was "Edge of the world" map territory, but NO I found a way down there and it's just another scorched and desolate zone of huge stone arcs, spikes, chests, and a magical pond that gave me a new Fire spell.

    Stop it! You're making me more excited to play and I have to wait until tomorrow.

    Doing a parkour dodge into the air while targeting an enemy with the fire sword causes you to flip and do a vertical slice that is literally a Water Wheel Slice from Demon Slayer and if you have the Spear equipped as your Charge ability you then immediately go into the Dragoon dive onto where ever that enemy landed and cause the fire spear AoE.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    So, when you play this game, make sure your power plan is at max performance. Windows is bad about throttling the video card.

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    When you upgrade the Fire Spear to level 3, it sticks into its target and then explodes.

    The game has more of a Metroid feel to it honestly. Now that I've gotten the second element and progressed the story, I'm sure I'll be directed to the "next" area of the game for the next Tanta, but now that I have the Fire Whip to swing around on and yank myself to places with the Fire Tanta's area is easier to explore with more stuff I can get to.

    The games map is gigantic and the scale is just ridiculous. I thought the castle of the first Tanta sat on a cliff that was "Edge of the world" map territory, but NO I found a way down there and it's just another scorched and desolate zone of huge stone arcs, spikes, chests, and a magical pond that gave me a new Fire spell.

    Stop it! You're making me more excited to play and I have to wait until tomorrow.

    Doing a parkour dodge into the air while targeting an enemy with the fire sword causes you to flip and do a vertical slice that is literally a Water Wheel Slice from Demon Slayer and if you have the Spear equipped as your Charge ability you then immediately go into the Dragoon dive onto where ever that enemy landed and cause the fire spear AoE.

    I'm gonna be putting in some major time this weekend. Yes yessss.

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