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  • LabelLabel Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    We have a Dem double majority now?

    Had one, but wasted it

    Manchin's not a party member. Sinema's not either, though she may have been relatively more pliable. So not really, imo.

    Still wasted it, though.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited February 21
    I dunno about Sinema being more pliable when she literally isn't a party member anymore

    Literally the only thing she cares about is setting up a big payday for herself after she leaves office

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  • EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I dunno about Sinema being more pliable when she literally isn't a party member anymore

    Literally the only thing she cares about is setting up a big payday for herself after she leaves office

    Which is a math problem I still can't solve.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Every time Sinema comes up I smile at the polling on the senate primary and race there

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
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    Continuing to post through it

    I don’t know where the break finally is going to be but at some point this man is gonna cleave in half

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Label wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    We have a Dem double majority now?

    Had one, but wasted it

    Manchin's not a party member. Sinema's not either, though she may have been relatively more pliable. So not really, imo.

    Still wasted it, though.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/manchin-intention-switching-independent-suggests-change/story?id=95087810

    He hasn’t switched yet, and Sinema was until December

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    i'd pay at least $44 for someone to follow Musk around with a megaphone yelling "YOU'RE NOT FUNNY."

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited February 21
    KalTorak wrote: »
    i'd pay at least $44 for someone to follow Musk around with a megaphone yelling "YOU'RE NOT FUNNY."

    If we started a go fund me we could probably provide a pretty decent living wage for someone to do this.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular

    Union Pacific, the 2nd largest rail operator in the U.S., has agreed to union demands to provide 2,100 workers with 4 days of paid sick leave. Railroad worker organizing won this victory, and they plan to keep pushing.

    Two weeks ago rail company CSX also agreed to provide 5,000 workers with 4 days of paid sick leave, as pressure from workers and the public mounts for an overhaul of the entire railroad industry.

    Never stop agitating

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    hell yeah

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Very clever of them to wait until Biden was overseas and couldnt stop them

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    It's laughable that 4 days is a victory. What the fuck is this country.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    It's laughable that 4 days is a victory. What the fuck is this country.

    The free-est nation

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  • LabelLabel Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Label wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    We have a Dem double majority now?

    Had one, but wasted it

    Manchin's not a party member. Sinema's not either, though she may have been relatively more pliable. So not really, imo.

    Still wasted it, though.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/manchin-intention-switching-independent-suggests-change/story?id=95087810

    He hasn’t switched yet, and Sinema was until December

    Yea, I'm not talking about party registration.

    The labels politicians use to describe themselves can obscure who they are as much as anything else. There is no reason to grant them that power over the rest of us, to allow these powerful people to define themselves for us.

    I'm talking about what these people do. Because that's who they are, more than which box they checked on some registration form years ago.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    shoulda held out for way more

    twist the damn screws

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  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Label wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Label wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    We have a Dem double majority now?

    Had one, but wasted it

    Manchin's not a party member. Sinema's not either, though she may have been relatively more pliable. So not really, imo.

    Still wasted it, though.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/manchin-intention-switching-independent-suggests-change/story?id=95087810

    He hasn’t switched yet, and Sinema was until December

    Yea, I'm not talking about party registration.

    The labels politicians use to describe themselves can obscure who they are as much as anything else. There is no reason to grant them that power over the rest of us, to allow these powerful people to define themselves for us.

    I'm talking about what these people do. Because that's who they are, more than which box they checked on some registration form years ago.

    I'll let Mancin slide because he's got too much time as an incumbent, but Sinema they spent a bunch of money on to make sure she won and that's on the Democrats.

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited February 21
    Label wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Label wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    We have a Dem double majority now?

    Had one, but wasted it

    Manchin's not a party member. Sinema's not either, though she may have been relatively more pliable. So not really, imo.

    Still wasted it, though.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/manchin-intention-switching-independent-suggests-change/story?id=95087810

    He hasn’t switched yet, and Sinema was until December

    Yea, I'm not talking about party registration.

    The labels politicians use to describe themselves can obscure who they are as much as anything else. There is no reason to grant them that power over the rest of us, to allow these powerful people to define themselves for us.

    I'm talking about what these people do. Because that's who they are, more than which box they checked on some registration form years ago.

    Endorsements for Kirsten Sinema
    Federal officials
    Joe Biden, 47th Vice President of the United States and former U.S. Senator (D-DE)[97]

    U.S. senators
    Cory Booker, U.S. senator (D-NJ)[98]
    Catherine Cortez Masto, U.S. senator (D-NV)[99]
    Dennis DeConcini, former U.S. senator (D-AZ)[100]
    Tammy Duckworth, U.S. senator (D-IL)[101]
    Dick Durbin, U.S. senator (D-IL) and Senate Minority Whip[102]
    Kirsten Gillibrand, U.S. senator (D-NY)[103]
    Kamala Harris, U.S. senator (D-CA)[104]
    Mazie Hirono, U.S. senator (D-HI)[105]
    Amy Klobuchar, U.S. senator (D-MN)[106]
    Patrick Leahy, U.S. senator (D-VT)[107]
    Jeff Merkley, U.S. senator (D-OR)[108]
    Chris Murphy, U.S. Senator (D-CT)[109]
    Patty Murray, U.S. senator (D-WA)[110]
    Gary Peters, U.S. Senator (D-MI)[111]
    Chuck Schumer, U.S. senator (D-NY) and Senate Minority Leader[112]
    Ron Wyden, U.S. senator (D-OR)[113]


    U.S. representatives

    Ron Barber, former U.S. representative (D-AZ)[114]
    Ruben Gallego, U.S. representative (D-AZ)[115]
    Joe Kennedy III, U.S. representative (D-MA)[116]
    Tom O'Halleran, U.S. representative (D-AZ)[117]
    Harry Mitchell, former U.S. representative (D-AZ)[100]

    Statewide and local politicians

    Lela Alston, state representative[115]
    Kelli Butler, state representative[100]
    Andrea Dalessandro, state senator[115]
    Coral Evans, Mayor of Flagstaff[118]
    Randy Friese, state representative and assistant house minority leader[87]
    Francisco Heredia, Mesa city councilmember[115]
    Daniel Hernández Jr., state representative[115]
    Katie Hobbs, state senator and Senate minority leader[115]
    Robert Meza, state senator[115]
    Mark Mitchell, mayor of Tempe[115]
    Joel Navarro, Tempe city councilmember[115]
    Laura Pastor, Phoenix City Councilmember[115]
    Lynne Pancrazi, Yuma County supervisor[100]
    Rebecca Rios, state representative and house minority leader[115]
    Regina Romero, Tucson councilmember[115]
    Jonathan Rothschild, mayor of Tucson[115]
    Anna Tovar, mayor of Tolleson[115]
    Daniel Valenzuela, Phoenix City Councilmember[115]

    Individuals

    Jon Favreau, co-host of progressive political podcast Pod Save America and former chief White House speechwriter for President Barack Obama[119]
    Jason Kander, former Missouri Secretary of State, nominee for U.S Senate in Missouri in 2016, host of podcast Majority 54 and founder of Let America Vote[120]
    Jenny Wilson, Salt Lake County Councilwoman; candidate for U.S. Senate in Utah (D-UT)[121]

    Labor unions

    Arizona Education Association[122]
    Arizona State AFL–CIO[123]
    Arizona Building and Construction Trades Council[124]
    Communications Workers of America[125]
    International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers Local 359[126]
    National Education Association[127]
    United Food and Commercial Workers Local 99[128]
    United Mine Workers of America[129]

    Organizations

    Chandler Chamber of Commerce[130]
    Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee[131]
    EMILY's List[132]
    End Citizens United[133]
    Equality PAC[134]
    Human Rights Campaign[135]
    Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund[136]
    League of Conservation Voters Action Fund[137]
    Let America Vote[138]
    LPAC[139]
    Mesa Chamber of Commerce[140]
    National Organization for Women[141]
    Planned Parenthood Action Fund[142]
    Stonewall Democrats of Arizona[143]

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    4 days of sick leave, 4. Four days. What an insane thing to be forced to call a victory.

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited February 21
    Sinema is a democrat. I know that isn’t something a lot of democrats care to admit, but she is. Granted, she’s a democrat who is basically only there to build a reputation as a troublemaker and get a book or tv or lobbying deal or whatever to set herself up for the rest of her life, and she was one of the shittier democrats even before taking all that into account.

    But yeah, she’s the democratic party’s fault, whether she recently “switched parties” or not. She’s the end result you wind up with when you have a broken system that leads a party to nominate and back literally anyone who has a chance of getting elected, no matter how shitty they are, just to give yourself the best raw numbers in congress.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    I get two weeks from my state and another two weeks from most of my contracts, totalling a month per year. Fuckin sucks that railroad workers have a specific carve-out that fucks them thanks to an onerous and archaic federal law.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Sinema is a democrat. I know that isn’t something a lot of democrats care to admit, but she is. Granted, she’s a democrat who is basically only there to build a reputation as a troublemaker and get a book or tv or lobbying deal or whatever to set herself up for the rest of her life, and she was one of the shittier democrats even before taking all that into account.

    But yeah, she’s the democratic party’s fault, whether she recently “switched parties” or not. She’s the end result you wind up with when you have a broken system that leads a party to nominate and back literally anyone* who go has a chance of getting elected, no matter how shitty they are, just to give yourself the best raw numbers in congress.

    *Anyone who isn't at all to the left of their most conservative members.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Hi secret politics thread



    Gorsuch basically asks "hey, AI generated content isn't user-submitted, it's algorithm submitted, so aren't companies liable for that with section 230?"

    (No idea how this will end up going, but with the current court it's going to end up being some shitty "230 is upheld but here's a carve-out to protect right wingers," but I'm going to be amused if it also inadvertently kills these AI things because a bot generating a picture of Hitler having sex with Jesus isn't the same thing as a person posting "Hitler having sex with Jesus".....and honestly I think that's a reasonable distinction)

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 21
    Wow, I'm shocked that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and Joe Biden endorsed the democrat, Kristen Sinema, instead of her republican opponent Martha McSally during the 2018 election.

    Shocked indeed!

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    It's a good point - 230 is concerned with user-submitted content. They may not actually state that in the ruling, but by bring it up during arguments you can bet lawyers took note. This is mostly just technology outrunning the law here more than anything else though - AI output isn't in the scope of what 230 cares about to begin with.

    The best argument for it being covered would be that AI output is based on user input I guess. But... I don't think that's a strong argument. At the same time I'm not sure how you find liability against the AI, because you could probably make a case that any given output wouldn't exist but for user input (and anything where liability comes up you'd have to show it wasn't deliberately caused by the input).

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  • NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Wow, I'm shocked that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and Joe Biden endorsed the democrat, Kristen Sinema, instead of her republican opponent Martha McSally during the 2018 election.

    Shocked indeed!

    Those are endorsements during the primary, when Sinema would be running against other Democrats.

    The party apparatus chose her over other candidates.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    edited February 21
    nvd

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Nirya wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Wow, I'm shocked that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and Joe Biden endorsed the democrat, Kristen Sinema, instead of her republican opponent Martha McSally during the 2018 election.

    Shocked indeed!

    Those are endorsements during the primary, when Sinema would be running against other Democrats.

    The party apparatus chose her over other candidates.

    Only one person ran against her. And that one candidate that got 20% of the vote in the primary against sinema, went on two years later to get crushed by a republican for a city board position 60 to 40%

    So I guess you could say she's on the rise?

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    They endorsed her. They causcus with her. She's a democrat. Its a big tent and she represents a crucial dem tentpole, irredeemable ladder climbers.

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  • asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    this may not be an accurate representation of the politics but i have always been given the impression that the democratic party just doesn't have a lot of candidates to run, even when they aren't trying to quash every progressive they see

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Hey so there was a Twitter thread that got posted here that was someone going over how they work with companies to understand when and/or how they reach a critical trust loss with their consumers, so they can understand when everything seems fine and then they crash. Does anyone have a link to that? I can’t find it and I can’t get google to help me out on this.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    asofyeun wrote: »
    this may not be an accurate representation of the politics but i have always been given the impression that the democratic party just doesn't have a lot of candidates to run, even when they aren't trying to quash every progressive they see

    Every state level party gets to run their own grooming process and quality varies. In my state its a brief and incredibly competitive program that probably isnt helping any greater goal than securing personal networking. Nothing like the machine the right wing has in this country.

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  • NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Hi secret politics thread



    Gorsuch basically asks "hey, AI generated content isn't user-submitted, it's algorithm submitted, so aren't companies liable for that with section 230?"

    (No idea how this will end up going, but with the current court it's going to end up being some shitty "230 is upheld but here's a carve-out to protect right wingers," but I'm going to be amused if it also inadvertently kills these AI things because a bot generating a picture of Hitler having sex with Jesus isn't the same thing as a person posting "Hitler having sex with Jesus".....and honestly I think that's a reasonable distinction)

    In this case it seems to be focused more on Bing Chat and whether or not Microsoft (and/or OpenAI?) can be held legally liable for the responses it gives, I guess.

    So that's... definitely something, I guess.

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Anyway the entire Democratic party is a fucking trash bag, even the good ones kind of suck.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited February 21
    cursedking wrote: »
    Hey so there was a Twitter thread that got posted here that was someone going over how they work with companies to understand when and/or how they reach a critical trust loss with their consumers, so they can understand when everything seems fine and then they crash. Does anyone have a link to that? I can’t find it and I can’t get google to help me out on this.

    @cursedking John Bull’s thread on the Trust Thermocline:

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  • asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Hey so there was a Twitter thread that got posted here that was someone going over how they work with companies to understand when and/or how they reach a critical trust loss with their consumers, so they can understand when everything seems fine and then they crash. Does anyone have a link to that? I can’t find it and I can’t get google to help me out on this.

    @cursedking John Bull’s thread on the Trust Thermocline:


    i definitely feel like Netflix has been trying to jump off the trust cliff for awhile now

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Maybe this isn't the place but I feel kinda....agnostic?...about the section 230 protections going away. Idk how to frame that

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Yessss thank you

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Hey

    Did Net Neutrality ever get reinstated?

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    I'd be very surprised if it has with the FCC down a member the entire time since Biden was elected due to political fuckery from the Republicans and Democrats alike over the chosen candidate potentially having OPINIONS

  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Anyway the entire Democratic party is a fucking trash bag, even the good ones kind of suck.
    They’re called the Dems because when corporations kill people in the name of profits their response is “dem’s the breaks”

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