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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html

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    These workers are part of a new economy of exploitation: Migrant children, who have been coming into the United States without their parents in record numbers, are ending up in some of the most punishing jobs in the country, a New York Times investigation found. This shadow work force extends across industries in every state, flouting child labor laws that have been in place for nearly a century. Twelve-year-old roofers in Florida and Tennessee. Underage slaughterhouse workers in Delaware, Mississippi and North Carolina. Children sawing planks of wood on overnight shifts in South Dakota.
    In many parts of the country, middle and high school teachers in English-language learner programs say it is now common for nearly all their students to rush off to long shifts after their classes end.

    “They should not be working 12-hour days, but it’s happening here,” said Valeria Lindsay, a language arts teacher at Homestead Middle School near Miami. For the past three years, she said, almost every eighth grader in her English learner program of about 100 students was also carrying an adult workload.
    In interviews with more than 60 caseworkers, most independently estimated that about two-thirds of all unaccompanied migrant children ended up working full time.

    Hearthside, in Grand Rapids, Michigan hires a lot of migrant children for labour, according to the article. They're hired through staffing companies and given a direct debit card that their wages go into, so they don't have to provide information or go to the bank to cash a physical cheque.

    A running theme in all of the articles coming out at the moment on child labour is a standard response that the company "would never knowingly employ people under 18" and because the staffing company is bringing them on board and handling all the details they can get away with this. This article puts that to the lie, as it mentions staff who were working alongside these children bringing it up with supervisors/managers and being ignored.
    When Kelsey Keswani first worked as a H.H.S. contractor in Arizona to connect unaccompanied migrant children with sponsors in 2010, the adults were almost always the children's parents, who had paid smugglers to bring them up from Central America, she said.

    But around 2014, the number of arriving children began to climb, and their circumstances were different. In recent years, "the kids almost all have a debt to pay off, and the're super stressed about it," Ms Keswani said.
    "Twenty percent of kids have to be released every week or you get dinged," said Ms. Keswani, who stopped working with H.H.S. last month.

    Next we’re going to learn that Xavier Becerra is a real piece of shit.
    The shifting dynamics in Central America helped create a political crisis early in Mr. Biden’s presidency, when children started crossing the border faster than H.H.S. could process them. With no room left in shelters, the children stayed in jail-like facilities run by Customs and Border Protection and, later, in tent cities. The images of children sleeping on gym mats under foil blankets attracted intense media attention.

    The Biden administration pledged to move children through the shelter system more quickly. “We don’t want to continue to see a child languish in our care if there is a responsible sponsor,” Xavier Becerra, secretary of health and human services, told Congress in 2021.

    His agency began paring back protections that had been in place for years, including some background checks and reviews of children’s files, according to memos reviewed by The Times and interviews with more than a dozen current and former employees.

    Now this could be because he wanted to remove children out of inhumane conditions, but as will become clear very shortly, it's not out of altruism.
    Concerns piled up in summer 2021 at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the H.H.S. division responsible for unaccompanied migrant children. In a memo that July, 11 managers said they were worried that labor trafficking was increasing and complained to their bosses that the office had become “one that rewards individuals for making quick releases, and not one that rewards individuals for preventing unsafe releases.”

    Staff members said in interviews that Mr. Becerra continued to push for faster results, often asking why they could not discharge children with machine-like efficiency.

    ”If Henry Ford had seen this in his plants, he would have never become famous and rich. This is not the way you do an assembly line,” Mr. Becerra said at a staff meeting last summer, according to a recording obtained by The Times.

    The article spends a lot of time talking with individual kids, as well as the various manufacturers who draw a blind eye to the situation in order for higher profits. It makes it very clear that the articles about kids working in meat packing plants and auto parts manufacturers recently aren't a one off, but part of a culture of endangering children for profits. Some of these staffing companies recruit kids online and then put them to work in plants.
    Unlike the foster care system, in which all children get case mangement, H.H.S. provides this service to about a third of children who pass through it's care, and usually for just four months. Tens of thousands of other children are sent to their sponsors with little but the phone number for a national hotline. From there, they are often on their own: There is no formal follow-up from any federal or local agencies to ensure that sponsors are not putting children to work illegally.

    There is a lack of follow up on children who are released with a limit of about four months, and an underserved hot line. I'd encourage everyone to read the article as there is some things in there that are probably triggering for some people regarding children being injured or killed.

    Overall the article paints a picture of a department that loses track of 93% of the children that arrive in the country, with two thirds of those employed as child labour. A Health and Human Services department headed by a man more interested in getting numbers down and children out of sight rather than their health and finally this.
    The Labor Department tracks the deaths of foreign-born child workers but no longer makes them public.

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    neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    Tbh, given that "white" is a constantly evolving definition that doesnt really describe historical, geographic, ethnic, or cultural identity, it kind of isnt "ok to be white". "Whiteness" as a thing was constructed, maintained, and updated specifically to prop up white supremacy. It has very little meaning or purpose beyond saying "these are the good ones', and expanding or contracting that as the situation permits. We'd all be in a much better place if the idea of a white identity was discarded.

    Having a lighter skin pigment and a largely western European heritage is fine though.

    Changing the name doesn't change the inherent privilege of your position.

    And while 'white' might be a little overly broad, white american probably is its own cultural/ethnic group at this point.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    I like to write in European Mongrel if they give me the option. Would be happy to see white get replace with European. Would be even happier if they broke that down further.

    I have thought for a long time that we just need to either get rid of ethnicity questions all together or just add an 'American' option.

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Mayo, just let me have Mayo on the ethnicity.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular

    Imagine assuming that Musk must be doing something that made sense

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    For a ton of things, the ethnicity question makes no sense and is pretty damn intrusive.

    Like if it's a business that is trying to figure out what to sell. Just fucking ask the customer base if there is anything they'd like to see the business starting caring or doing. If they don't wish to offend, it should be easy enough to find a list somewhere of "don't do this shit as a business, if you don't want to come across as an asshole to certain groups."

    Only two places where it makes any damn sense is medical stuff and census data. For both medical stuff and census data, you have some conditions that are more or less common within certain populations because of differences in genetics and culture. So it becomes handy for healthcare providers to know if they need to keep an eye out for certain conditions and talk to their patient about how they might be at increased risk. For census stuff, that makes it easier to better allot some resources. If a population is more at risk of heart attack and you're funding the hospitals in part or whole, you might want those hospitals to be better equip to deal with a higher percent of their patients having heart issues.

    Census stuff could also have an additional need for it, if we're talking about somewhere like the US that draws districts for political offices. That way you can make sure people get better representation and make it harder for a state run by racists, to draw districts that intentional spread out minority populations, so that they can't get proper representation. Yes, the US currently does a shit job at it right now because SCOTUS is shit and is letting the racists get away with partisan gerrymandering, which in many ways might as well be a racial gerrymander, given that GOP is the white supremacist party.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »

    Imagine assuming that Musk must be doing something that made sense

    hope all these new hires are looking forward to arbitrarily abusive treatment and not getting paid

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »

    Imagine assuming that Musk must be doing something that made sense

    hope all these new hires are looking forward to arbitrarily abusive treatment and not getting paid

    new....hires....?

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    Twitter is also still trying to hire people back because ???

    Couscous on
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    ChallChall Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »

    Imagine assuming that Musk must be doing something that made sense

    hope all these new hires are looking forward to arbitrarily abusive treatment and not getting paid

    new....hires....?

    Not "hires", it just says a new regime. They're furiously trying to teach Oompa Loompas to code

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    For a ton of things, the ethnicity question makes no sense and is pretty damn intrusive.

    Like if it's a business that is trying to figure out what to sell. Just fucking ask the customer base if there is anything they'd like to see the business starting caring or doing. If they don't wish to offend, it should be easy enough to find a list somewhere of "don't do this shit as a business, if you don't want to come across as an asshole to certain groups."

    Only two places where it makes any damn sense is medical stuff and census data. For both medical stuff and census data, you have some conditions that are more or less common within certain populations because of differences in genetics and culture. So it becomes handy for healthcare providers to know if they need to keep an eye out for certain conditions and talk to their patient about how they might be at increased risk. For census stuff, that makes it easier to better allot some resources. If a population is more at risk of heart attack and you're funding the hospitals in part or whole, you might want those hospitals to be better equip to deal with a higher percent of their patients having heart issues.

    Census stuff could also have an additional need for it, if we're talking about somewhere like the US that draws districts for political offices. That way you can make sure people get better representation and make it harder for a state run by racists, to draw districts that intentional spread out minority populations, so that they can't get proper representation. Yes, the US currently does a shit job at it right now because SCOTUS is shit and is letting the racists get away with partisan gerrymandering, which in many ways might as well be a racial gerrymander, given that GOP is the white supremacist party.

    In most or all of these situations, you can decline to answer. Except on the census form.

    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    ”If Henry Ford had seen this in his plants, he would have never become famous and rich. This is not the way you do an assembly line,” Mr. Becerra said at a staff meeting last summer, according to a recording obtained by The Times.
    jesus fucking christ

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular

    Happening now: Israeli settlers are burning Palestinian houses, cars and shops in Huwarra near Nablus , Palestinians has no protections.

    Fucking hell

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html

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    These workers are part of a new economy of exploitation: Migrant children, who have been coming into the United States without their parents in record numbers, are ending up in some of the most punishing jobs in the country, a New York Times investigation found. This shadow work force extends across industries in every state, flouting child labor laws that have been in place for nearly a century. Twelve-year-old roofers in Florida and Tennessee. Underage slaughterhouse workers in Delaware, Mississippi and North Carolina. Children sawing planks of wood on overnight shifts in South Dakota.
    In many parts of the country, middle and high school teachers in English-language learner programs say it is now common for nearly all their students to rush off to long shifts after their classes end.

    “They should not be working 12-hour days, but it’s happening here,” said Valeria Lindsay, a language arts teacher at Homestead Middle School near Miami. For the past three years, she said, almost every eighth grader in her English learner program of about 100 students was also carrying an adult workload.
    In interviews with more than 60 caseworkers, most independently estimated that about two-thirds of all unaccompanied migrant children ended up working full time.

    Hearthside, in Grand Rapids, Michigan hires a lot of migrant children for labour, according to the article. They're hired through staffing companies and given a direct debit card that their wages go into, so they don't have to provide information or go to the bank to cash a physical cheque.

    A running theme in all of the articles coming out at the moment on child labour is a standard response that the company "would never knowingly employ people under 18" and because the staffing company is bringing them on board and handling all the details they can get away with this. This article puts that to the lie, as it mentions staff who were working alongside these children bringing it up with supervisors/managers and being ignored.
    When Kelsey Keswani first worked as a H.H.S. contractor in Arizona to connect unaccompanied migrant children with sponsors in 2010, the adults were almost always the children's parents, who had paid smugglers to bring them up from Central America, she said.

    But around 2014, the number of arriving children began to climb, and their circumstances were different. In recent years, "the kids almost all have a debt to pay off, and the're super stressed about it," Ms Keswani said.
    "Twenty percent of kids have to be released every week or you get dinged," said Ms. Keswani, who stopped working with H.H.S. last month.

    Next we’re going to learn that Xavier Becerra is a real piece of shit.
    The shifting dynamics in Central America helped create a political crisis early in Mr. Biden’s presidency, when children started crossing the border faster than H.H.S. could process them. With no room left in shelters, the children stayed in jail-like facilities run by Customs and Border Protection and, later, in tent cities. The images of children sleeping on gym mats under foil blankets attracted intense media attention.

    The Biden administration pledged to move children through the shelter system more quickly. “We don’t want to continue to see a child languish in our care if there is a responsible sponsor,” Xavier Becerra, secretary of health and human services, told Congress in 2021.

    His agency began paring back protections that had been in place for years, including some background checks and reviews of children’s files, according to memos reviewed by The Times and interviews with more than a dozen current and former employees.

    Now this could be because he wanted to remove children out of inhumane conditions, but as will become clear very shortly, it's not out of altruism.
    Concerns piled up in summer 2021 at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the H.H.S. division responsible for unaccompanied migrant children. In a memo that July, 11 managers said they were worried that labor trafficking was increasing and complained to their bosses that the office had become “one that rewards individuals for making quick releases, and not one that rewards individuals for preventing unsafe releases.”

    Staff members said in interviews that Mr. Becerra continued to push for faster results, often asking why they could not discharge children with machine-like efficiency.

    ”If Henry Ford had seen this in his plants, he would have never become famous and rich. This is not the way you do an assembly line,” Mr. Becerra said at a staff meeting last summer, according to a recording obtained by The Times.

    The article spends a lot of time talking with individual kids, as well as the various manufacturers who draw a blind eye to the situation in order for higher profits. It makes it very clear that the articles about kids working in meat packing plants and auto parts manufacturers recently aren't a one off, but part of a culture of endangering children for profits. Some of these staffing companies recruit kids online and then put them to work in plants.
    Unlike the foster care system, in which all children get case mangement, H.H.S. provides this service to about a third of children who pass through it's care, and usually for just four months. Tens of thousands of other children are sent to their sponsors with little but the phone number for a national hotline. From there, they are often on their own: There is no formal follow-up from any federal or local agencies to ensure that sponsors are not putting children to work illegally.

    There is a lack of follow up on children who are released with a limit of about four months, and an underserved hot line. I'd encourage everyone to read the article as there is some things in there that are probably triggering for some people regarding children being injured or killed.

    Overall the article paints a picture of a department that loses track of 93% of the children that arrive in the country, with two thirds of those employed as child labour. A Health and Human Services department headed by a man more interested in getting numbers down and children out of sight rather than their health and finally this.
    The Labor Department tracks the deaths of foreign-born child workers but no longer makes them public.

    Jesus Christ

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    TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    Chall wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »

    Imagine assuming that Musk must be doing something that made sense

    hope all these new hires are looking forward to arbitrarily abusive treatment and not getting paid

    new....hires....?

    Not "hires", it just says a new regime. They're furiously trying to teach Oompa Loompas to code

    Lol at trying to teach "Donny" to code.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    More on the Israeli Settlers’ rampage in Hawara:



    Unprecedented right now in Hawara. Not that settler violence in the West Bank is anywhere out of the ordinary but this scale of rampaging in a town on a major highway just minutes from an IDF brigade HQ is a breakdown of order not seen before under any previous Israeli government

    Netanyahu who has never in my memory openly reacted to settler violence even put out a video statement calling upon Israelis “not to take the law into their own hands” in Hawara as if any of the settlers care. But it shows even he realizes he’s lost control. Total breakdown

    Lanz on
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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    honestly it's always seemed like a miracle to me that netanyahu has had the control he has. aggressively courted this culture both internally and in the immigration strategy. but you can't just ride an angry mob in a vacuum forever they're gonna start breaking things

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html

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    These workers are part of a new economy of exploitation: Migrant children, who have been coming into the United States without their parents in record numbers, are ending up in some of the most punishing jobs in the country, a New York Times investigation found. This shadow work force extends across industries in every state, flouting child labor laws that have been in place for nearly a century. Twelve-year-old roofers in Florida and Tennessee. Underage slaughterhouse workers in Delaware, Mississippi and North Carolina. Children sawing planks of wood on overnight shifts in South Dakota.
    In many parts of the country, middle and high school teachers in English-language learner programs say it is now common for nearly all their students to rush off to long shifts after their classes end.

    “They should not be working 12-hour days, but it’s happening here,” said Valeria Lindsay, a language arts teacher at Homestead Middle School near Miami. For the past three years, she said, almost every eighth grader in her English learner program of about 100 students was also carrying an adult workload.
    In interviews with more than 60 caseworkers, most independently estimated that about two-thirds of all unaccompanied migrant children ended up working full time.

    Hearthside, in Grand Rapids, Michigan hires a lot of migrant children for labour, according to the article. They're hired through staffing companies and given a direct debit card that their wages go into, so they don't have to provide information or go to the bank to cash a physical cheque.

    A running theme in all of the articles coming out at the moment on child labour is a standard response that the company "would never knowingly employ people under 18" and because the staffing company is bringing them on board and handling all the details they can get away with this. This article puts that to the lie, as it mentions staff who were working alongside these children bringing it up with supervisors/managers and being ignored.
    When Kelsey Keswani first worked as a H.H.S. contractor in Arizona to connect unaccompanied migrant children with sponsors in 2010, the adults were almost always the children's parents, who had paid smugglers to bring them up from Central America, she said.

    But around 2014, the number of arriving children began to climb, and their circumstances were different. In recent years, "the kids almost all have a debt to pay off, and the're super stressed about it," Ms Keswani said.
    "Twenty percent of kids have to be released every week or you get dinged," said Ms. Keswani, who stopped working with H.H.S. last month.

    Next we’re going to learn that Xavier Becerra is a real piece of shit.
    The shifting dynamics in Central America helped create a political crisis early in Mr. Biden’s presidency, when children started crossing the border faster than H.H.S. could process them. With no room left in shelters, the children stayed in jail-like facilities run by Customs and Border Protection and, later, in tent cities. The images of children sleeping on gym mats under foil blankets attracted intense media attention.

    The Biden administration pledged to move children through the shelter system more quickly. “We don’t want to continue to see a child languish in our care if there is a responsible sponsor,” Xavier Becerra, secretary of health and human services, told Congress in 2021.

    His agency began paring back protections that had been in place for years, including some background checks and reviews of children’s files, according to memos reviewed by The Times and interviews with more than a dozen current and former employees.

    Now this could be because he wanted to remove children out of inhumane conditions, but as will become clear very shortly, it's not out of altruism.
    Concerns piled up in summer 2021 at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the H.H.S. division responsible for unaccompanied migrant children. In a memo that July, 11 managers said they were worried that labor trafficking was increasing and complained to their bosses that the office had become “one that rewards individuals for making quick releases, and not one that rewards individuals for preventing unsafe releases.”

    Staff members said in interviews that Mr. Becerra continued to push for faster results, often asking why they could not discharge children with machine-like efficiency.

    ”If Henry Ford had seen this in his plants, he would have never become famous and rich. This is not the way you do an assembly line,” Mr. Becerra said at a staff meeting last summer, according to a recording obtained by The Times.

    The article spends a lot of time talking with individual kids, as well as the various manufacturers who draw a blind eye to the situation in order for higher profits. It makes it very clear that the articles about kids working in meat packing plants and auto parts manufacturers recently aren't a one off, but part of a culture of endangering children for profits. Some of these staffing companies recruit kids online and then put them to work in plants.
    Unlike the foster care system, in which all children get case mangement, H.H.S. provides this service to about a third of children who pass through it's care, and usually for just four months. Tens of thousands of other children are sent to their sponsors with little but the phone number for a national hotline. From there, they are often on their own: There is no formal follow-up from any federal or local agencies to ensure that sponsors are not putting children to work illegally.

    There is a lack of follow up on children who are released with a limit of about four months, and an underserved hot line. I'd encourage everyone to read the article as there is some things in there that are probably triggering for some people regarding children being injured or killed.

    Overall the article paints a picture of a department that loses track of 93% of the children that arrive in the country, with two thirds of those employed as child labour. A Health and Human Services department headed by a man more interested in getting numbers down and children out of sight rather than their health and finally this.
    The Labor Department tracks the deaths of foreign-born child workers but no longer makes them public.

    Important note about this article: No mention of any of these companies having committed crimes.
    The only thing these companies ever face are fines, and fines are just a way of obfuscating that breaking the law is something the rich can get away with. Fines are a civil matter, after all.

    A federal investigation has found that the owners of seven Pennsylvania McDonalds illegally made 154 kids aged 14 and 15 work before school, late on school nights, and operate deep fryers in violation of federal law.

    The owners have been forced to pay just $92,107 in fines.

    That's less than $600 total, per child. How much revenue did those children generate while working in violation of a whole host of labor laws?

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    Red RaevynRed Raevyn because I only take Bubble Baths Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html

    >
    These workers are part of a new economy of exploitation: Migrant children, who have been coming into the United States without their parents in record numbers, are ending up in some of the most punishing jobs in the country, a New York Times investigation found. This shadow work force extends across industries in every state, flouting child labor laws that have been in place for nearly a century. Twelve-year-old roofers in Florida and Tennessee. Underage slaughterhouse workers in Delaware, Mississippi and North Carolina. Children sawing planks of wood on overnight shifts in South Dakota.
    In many parts of the country, middle and high school teachers in English-language learner programs say it is now common for nearly all their students to rush off to long shifts after their classes end.

    “They should not be working 12-hour days, but it’s happening here,” said Valeria Lindsay, a language arts teacher at Homestead Middle School near Miami. For the past three years, she said, almost every eighth grader in her English learner program of about 100 students was also carrying an adult workload.
    In interviews with more than 60 caseworkers, most independently estimated that about two-thirds of all unaccompanied migrant children ended up working full time.

    Hearthside, in Grand Rapids, Michigan hires a lot of migrant children for labour, according to the article. They're hired through staffing companies and given a direct debit card that their wages go into, so they don't have to provide information or go to the bank to cash a physical cheque.

    A running theme in all of the articles coming out at the moment on child labour is a standard response that the company "would never knowingly employ people under 18" and because the staffing company is bringing them on board and handling all the details they can get away with this. This article puts that to the lie, as it mentions staff who were working alongside these children bringing it up with supervisors/managers and being ignored.
    When Kelsey Keswani first worked as a H.H.S. contractor in Arizona to connect unaccompanied migrant children with sponsors in 2010, the adults were almost always the children's parents, who had paid smugglers to bring them up from Central America, she said.

    But around 2014, the number of arriving children began to climb, and their circumstances were different. In recent years, "the kids almost all have a debt to pay off, and the're super stressed about it," Ms Keswani said.
    "Twenty percent of kids have to be released every week or you get dinged," said Ms. Keswani, who stopped working with H.H.S. last month.

    Next we’re going to learn that Xavier Becerra is a real piece of shit.
    The shifting dynamics in Central America helped create a political crisis early in Mr. Biden’s presidency, when children started crossing the border faster than H.H.S. could process them. With no room left in shelters, the children stayed in jail-like facilities run by Customs and Border Protection and, later, in tent cities. The images of children sleeping on gym mats under foil blankets attracted intense media attention.

    The Biden administration pledged to move children through the shelter system more quickly. “We don’t want to continue to see a child languish in our care if there is a responsible sponsor,” Xavier Becerra, secretary of health and human services, told Congress in 2021.

    His agency began paring back protections that had been in place for years, including some background checks and reviews of children’s files, according to memos reviewed by The Times and interviews with more than a dozen current and former employees.

    Now this could be because he wanted to remove children out of inhumane conditions, but as will become clear very shortly, it's not out of altruism.
    Concerns piled up in summer 2021 at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the H.H.S. division responsible for unaccompanied migrant children. In a memo that July, 11 managers said they were worried that labor trafficking was increasing and complained to their bosses that the office had become “one that rewards individuals for making quick releases, and not one that rewards individuals for preventing unsafe releases.”

    Staff members said in interviews that Mr. Becerra continued to push for faster results, often asking why they could not discharge children with machine-like efficiency.

    ”If Henry Ford had seen this in his plants, he would have never become famous and rich. This is not the way you do an assembly line,” Mr. Becerra said at a staff meeting last summer, according to a recording obtained by The Times.

    The article spends a lot of time talking with individual kids, as well as the various manufacturers who draw a blind eye to the situation in order for higher profits. It makes it very clear that the articles about kids working in meat packing plants and auto parts manufacturers recently aren't a one off, but part of a culture of endangering children for profits. Some of these staffing companies recruit kids online and then put them to work in plants.
    Unlike the foster care system, in which all children get case mangement, H.H.S. provides this service to about a third of children who pass through it's care, and usually for just four months. Tens of thousands of other children are sent to their sponsors with little but the phone number for a national hotline. From there, they are often on their own: There is no formal follow-up from any federal or local agencies to ensure that sponsors are not putting children to work illegally.

    There is a lack of follow up on children who are released with a limit of about four months, and an underserved hot line. I'd encourage everyone to read the article as there is some things in there that are probably triggering for some people regarding children being injured or killed.

    Overall the article paints a picture of a department that loses track of 93% of the children that arrive in the country, with two thirds of those employed as child labour. A Health and Human Services department headed by a man more interested in getting numbers down and children out of sight rather than their health and finally this.
    The Labor Department tracks the deaths of foreign-born child workers but no longer makes them public.

    Important note about this article: No mention of any of these companies having committed crimes.
    The only thing these companies ever face are fines, and fines are just a way of obfuscating that breaking the law is something the rich can get away with. Fines are a civil matter, after all.

    A federal investigation has found that the owners of seven Pennsylvania McDonalds illegally made 154 kids aged 14 and 15 work before school, late on school nights, and operate deep fryers in violation of federal law.

    The owners have been forced to pay just $92,107 in fines.

    That's less than $600 total, per child. How much revenue did those children generate while working in violation of a whole host of labor laws?

    God that's just peanuts. Go figure, the deep fryer was my favorite station when I worked in McDonalds as a 14-year old. What a joke.

    Just the summary of that NYT article is chilling. I don't know if I can handle reading it in full.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    honestly it's always seemed like a miracle to me that netanyahu has had the control he has. aggressively courted this culture both internally and in the immigration strategy. but you can't just ride an angry mob in a vacuum forever they're gonna start breaking things

    As long as it’s not his things he doesn’t give a shit. He will go full dictator before he’s ousted I guarantee it. I mean he’s trying to now, but I don’t see anything that will stop him

    Jesus it’s all so horrific

    I’m honestly just so depressed. On cnns home page there was an article about how everyone’s outraged by this 15 minute cities conspiracy nonsense, and underneath that 3 articles about how climate change may now be irreversible. I think it’s organised that way on purpose to highlight the problem by cnn. Just mania and madness as people worry about the exact wrong thing in a crisis, terrified of invisible fantasies while water pools around their ankles

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    TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2023
    Couscous wrote: »

    "There is a sucker born every minute."

    Don't feel one ounce of empathy for these fools who go, " I didn't know the leopard would eat my face!."

    For fucks sakes, L Ron Hubbard would run the companies better than Emerald Space Boy.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    I’m not sure if these two threads are better here or the AI thread; it feels like it overlaps the shit we’re getting into in both here:




    a new version of moore’s law that could start soon:

    the amount of intelligence in the universe doubles every 18 months

    This sort of stuff is a good affirmation that I’m right in a piece I’ve been drafting about Silicon Valley mysticism and how much of the cyclical hype just taps into residue of Kurzweil’s singularity cult which just taps into residue of Christianity & finally seeing God

    Lots of people do not explicitly say they want to build God but they do repeat catechisms from the faith of a man who certainly wanted to build God

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    The real abhorrent thing about Silicon Valley is that with all the capital they’ve accrued, their vision of the world is more efficient killing machines and a god that imbues purpose to life via surveillance and securitization. A deeply anti-human POV no matter how you look at it

    At the heart of the economics, politics, culture, & social relations sit a group of people who don’t believe humans can or should run their societies & that liberation requires an active agent alien to the needs and wants of billions on the planet but intuits them better somehow

    It doesn’t matter if you dress it up as preventative or anticipatory, these people are actively creating a world where domination & coercion are relegitimized because we’ve created a super intelligent non-human person. This project will determine humanity’s future

    Not that they were ever delegitimized, but they were searching for a new legitimacy narrative. They’re all stenographers and courtiers for power, nothing more & nothing less

    What sort of world would you build if you had the money this industry had? Decades of free money and an asset bubble, with little to show for except creative accounting, flashy consumer electronics, mysticism, and desperate attempts to return to old hierarchies

    Figuring out what to do with the monopolists & oligarchs who control computation is going to determine the shape of the future. Do we let this cloistered network of elites dominate every aspect of life & demean it to the level of transactions or do we euthanize the parasites?


    And it’s like

    Yeah I can’t say that he’s wrong when you look back at the last decade or two of what these yahoos have been crowing about, the initiatives they’ve started, the talks they give and the interviews where they ramble about their AI fetishisms, of dark techno gods that must be appeased before they even exist to secure salvation, of rejecting human-based governance because of its fallibilities and inefficiencies and “oppression” against the entrepreneur, the businessman and the market, of wanting to usher in a world of nothing but kings (literal kings! Remember that “dark enlightenment” shit??) and managers and the servile underclasses who need to know their place for a “better” humanity

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    T’ruah, The Rabbinical Call for Human Rights is right out calling the actions of settlers in Huwarra a pogrom against the Palestinians by the Israeli settlers



    “Though you pray at length,I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood.” (Isaiah 1:15)

    We condemn in the harshest possible terms the pogrom carried out today by Israeli settlers. Their actions are truly a chillul Hashem—a desecration of God’s name. (1/3)

    No political aim can justify the terror attack that killed two Israeli brothers.

    But nor does such a murder justify a rampage that included setting fire to homes and vehicles, injuring close to 100 Palestinian residents, and killing one person. (2/3)

    We hold responsible for this violence the current government, which has only fueled the incitement that led to this attack, and the army, which did nothing to prevent it.

    Our full statement to follow. (3/3)

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Queue the calls of antisemitism for anyone who criticizes the Israeli government

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Well it is an obvious tool to shut down dissent.

    Clearly, the Israeli government is an apartheid government which is bordering on genocidal within certain areas. I think that support for Israel by other countries should certainly be withdrawn until at the very least the settlers are pulled out to the UN agreed lines.

    Tbh a peacekeeping force on the border between Israel and Palestine, and Israel's relinquishing of control over entrance to Palestine, would be a good step.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Ticaldfjam wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »

    "There is a sucker born every minute."

    Don't feel one ounce of empathy for these fools who go, " I didn't know the leopard would eat my face!."

    For fucks sakes, L Ron Hubbard would run the companies better than Emerald Space Boy.

    LRH would have at least given us a Twitter Navy on the hunt for gold!

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Israel just shifted control of the governmental affairs in the West Bank from a military to civilian administration, which means they've gone from se facto annexation to de jure annexation.

    Obvious violation of governing occupied territories under international law, but laws only matter if there exists the will to enforce them.

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Israel just shifted control of the governmental affairs in the West Bank from a military to civilian administration, which means they've gone from se facto annexation to de jure annexation.

    Obvious violation of governing occupied territories under international law, but laws only matter if there exists the will to enforce them.

    "Don't quote laws to those of us who carry guns."

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Israel has been ignoring the actual legal status of the contested areas it has been settling for years, so this is hardly new. It's just going to result in more violence, as it always does, and as is the Israeli Gov's desire

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Israel has been ignoring the actual legal status of the contested areas it has been settling for years, so this is hardly new. It's just going to result in more violence, as it always does, and as is the Israeli Gov's desire

    No, the shift from de jure to de facto annexation is absolutely new, the crossing of a supposed "red line" that Israel wasn't going to cross despite doing everything to dance around it. Israel isn't going to see consequences for, but it does mean things are going to get a lot worse for the millions of Palestinians in the West Bank.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    As bad as Netanyahu is, in the government sphere the real big shift in recent months is the ascendance of Ben-Gvir and Smotrich, who are the worst of the worst when it comes to doubling down on populist ethnonationalism

    Combine that with the fact that Israel is one of the rare countries where the youth are more conservative than previous generations, and also where people under 30 are trending increasingly harder right over time, and I'm not terribly optimistic

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Given the historical context that whiteness is used in. I'd argue anyone of European descent isn't well served using the term if they want to avoid appearing racist. The term used to only cover Anglo-Saxon Christians and then when the racists of that group no longer had a reliable majority, it was extended out to include other shitheads from other European ethnicities. If you go far enough back, I wouldn't be considered white simply based on my French, German, Italian or Irish heritage (probably missing a few others, pretty sure there is some Greek in the genetics as well). Hell, would probably run into issues even today because some of my Jewish ancestry is pretty noticeable.

    This gets into the other area, where the asshole didn't consider some people white because of their religious beliefs or cultural traditions. It didn't matter how pasty white someone's skin was, if they didn't perform all the customs that the asshole white supremacists considered to be white customs and didn't have Anglo-Saxon names. They weren't considered white. Hell, you can see criticism of that very habit even today. One issue many Indian Americans have with the GOP, is that they point how people like Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal got to be republican governors by abandoning their heritage outside of being able to tick the Indian American box. Another example of this is Ted Cruz, the asshole started using Ted, so that he could better integrate with the white supremacists that dominant his political party.

    I would pretty strenuously disagree with this. Saying that I'm Welsh is simply not true. My family has been in America since before the Civil War, my Welsh ancestry has no bearing on my place in American society. I would also find saying oh I'm not White, I'm Welsh to be a cowardly dodge on my inherent place of privilege inside this society. Like, it doesn't matter what you call it. I am white, and that has serious implications for how I interact with the power structure of this country and the world in general, and my social responsibilities therein. Trying to cover that over feels disingenuous at best.

    Like, yeah, I was brought up by a parent that came of age in the 1950s in rural Alabama. The fact that he's not a virulent racist and instead is the sort of casual conservative racist that actually thinks they're quite progressive on racial issues is a bit of a miracle, given who his parents and peers were. And that casual racism was drilled into me from a young age, and regardless of how progressive I am on race and social issues now, once I got to college and was able to be in an environment where I could think for myself, that's still part of my background. It would be a lie to say otherwise, or that some root part of my brain is not constantly at war with itself with a filter that I cannot just delete from my brain completely.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Also things like 'Welsh' and 'American' are nationalities, not ethnicities.

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    As a fully accredited race scientist I feel as though I have quite a lot to contribute to this discussion and I shall hold forth upon it presently

    Broke as fuck and the bills past due, all amounts assist and are kindly received.

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2023
    Hobnail wrote: »
    As a fully accredited race scientist I feel as though I have quite a lot to contribute to this discussion and I shall hold forth upon it presently

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    The fun bit about having a family of relatively recent irish immigrants and a bunch of direct family ties back to ireland is how you get to bump elbows with a bunch of really red faced white guys who claim their otherwise completely irrelevant irish ancestory as a pass to be heinously racist.

    "Im proud of my irish ancestory, but in a not racist way" - sounds like an absolute buffoon.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Too racist to work in a bank in the 80s. Levels of racism previously only thought to exist in experimental environments.

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