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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited February 27
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Israel has been ignoring the actual legal status of the contested areas it has been settling for years, so this is hardly new. It's just going to result in more violence, as it always does, and as is the Israeli Gov's desire

    No, the shift from de jure to de facto annexation is absolutely new, the crossing of a supposed "red line" that Israel wasn't going to cross despite doing everything to dance around it. Israel isn't going to see consequences for, but it does mean things are going to get a lot worse for the millions of Palestinians in the West Bank.

    I don't think it'll make any real concrete difference to their overall policy or behaviour, which either way would be colonial apartheid and ethnic cleansing. We can agree to disagree on that fine detail though, we are broadly on the same level on this.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Too racist to work in a bank in the 80s. Levels of racism previously only thought to exist in experimental environments.

    See, this conflicts with my assumption that he's a blowhard lyjng asshole (while indeed being also obviously racist) and is complaining about never being offered the job because he is better than the other applicants, because how dare black people be allowed to interview for the position or some shit.

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Too racist to work in a bank in the 80s. Levels of racism previously only thought to exist in experimental environments.

    See, this conflicts with my assumption that he's a blowhard lyjng asshole (while indeed being also obviously racist) and is complaining about never being offered the job because he is better than the other applicants, because how dare black people be allowed to interview for the position or some shit.

    He used to openly discuss his complete lack of credentials for working at Bell Labs and how he was absolutely the dumbest person there, but rewriting history has never been a big leap for right wing loons so who knows where this is going

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    I've thought I heard the faint strains of the world's tiniest violin warming up, yet again, now I realize why.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Too racist to work in a bank in the 80s. Levels of racism previously only thought to exist in experimental environments.

    That's like HP lovecraft levels of racism. Cartoonish racism that hollywood execs claim is not believable to the average iowan.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Dude’s out here trying to make himself downright immune to parody. Where do you even go that’s more absurd than the dumb shit he actually posts on purpose?

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I've got a few shitty racist cousins who have really really latched onto our family's Irish heritage and the fact the some Irish immigrants to the USA maybe probably voluntarily signed up for a probably still somewhat exploitative indentured servitude arrangement as proof that they're the toughest people on the planet

    And those cousins now make all sorts of shitty remarks that chattel slavery really wasn't all that bad.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    if Dilbert doesn’t shut up he’s going to end up having a Fox News hour long show

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    if Dilbert doesn’t shut up he’s going to end up having a Fox News hour long show

    Animated shorts for Gutfeld

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I've got a few shitty racist cousins who have really really latched onto our family's Irish heritage and the fact the some Irish immigrants to the USA maybe probably voluntarily signed up for a probably still somewhat exploitative indentured servitude arrangement as proof that they're the toughest people on the planet

    And those cousins now make all sorts of shitty remarks that chattel slavery really wasn't all that bad.

    "everyone did slavery" makes me so mad because yes it is generally true, in the same was history is an ocean of blood, but american chattel slavery is so uniquely terrible we cannot just sweep that under the rug.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited February 27
    Never mind

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  • TefTef Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I've got a few shitty racist cousins who have really really latched onto our family's Irish heritage and the fact the some Irish immigrants to the USA maybe probably voluntarily signed up for a probably still somewhat exploitative indentured servitude arrangement as proof that they're the toughest people on the planet

    And those cousins now make all sorts of shitty remarks that chattel slavery really wasn't all that bad.

    "everyone did slavery" makes me so mad because yes it is generally true, in the same was history is an ocean of blood, but american chattel slavery is so uniquely terrible we cannot just sweep that under the rug.

    I’ve always thought that things being fucked up in other places doesn’t make the thing in question less fucked up

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular

    IIRC he did create at least one sock-puppet to defend/compliment himself during an AMA

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    The annoying thing is that he loves this shit.

    This is the most anyone has talked about Scott Adams in maybe ever. To quote one of the finest philosophers of our era, "I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me."

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited February 27
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I've got a few shitty racist cousins who have really really latched onto our family's Irish heritage and the fact the some Irish immigrants to the USA maybe probably voluntarily signed up for a probably still somewhat exploitative indentured servitude arrangement as proof that they're the toughest people on the planet

    And those cousins now make all sorts of shitty remarks that chattel slavery really wasn't all that bad.

    "everyone did slavery" makes me so mad because yes it is generally true, in the same was history is an ocean of blood, but american chattel slavery is so uniquely terrible we cannot just sweep that under the rug.

    no, no we are not even remotely unique in the 'did the worst shit during slavery' regard, but see below
    Tef wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I've got a few shitty racist cousins who have really really latched onto our family's Irish heritage and the fact the some Irish immigrants to the USA maybe probably voluntarily signed up for a probably still somewhat exploitative indentured servitude arrangement as proof that they're the toughest people on the planet

    And those cousins now make all sorts of shitty remarks that chattel slavery really wasn't all that bad.

    "everyone did slavery" makes me so mad because yes it is generally true, in the same was history is an ocean of blood, but american chattel slavery is so uniquely terrible we cannot just sweep that under the rug.

    I’ve always thought that things being fucked up in other places doesn’t make the thing in question less fucked up

    this here is the key, american liberals and fashies both like to take the american exceptionalism moral high-ground without acknowledging the sins of the past and how those sins still effects us while also calling out other countries for doing the exact same shit

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah but this is a Snake Eyes situation. Sure for now he's the bell of the ball, but once this is all over and everyone sees all his dirty shit, he'll be cast aside like so much spent Nic Cage. Just another racist white dude with a remember when.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    honestly he'll probably make more money on the i've been canceled grifter circuit than he did as a cartoonist

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    honestly he'll probably make more money on the i've been canceled grifter circuit than he did as a cartoonist

    I doubt that, considering how successful Dilbert was.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    honestly he'll probably make more money on the i've been canceled grifter circuit than he did as a cartoonist

    I doubt that, considering how successful Dilbert was.

    Yeah, for reference and because it's hilarious, Scott Adams has been pretty open that he lost millions of dollars trying to manufacture and sell the Dilberito, a vegan health food microwavable burrito that was way ahead of its time in the sense that health food and veganism hadn't really caught on and, more importantly, nobody had figured out how to make microwavable vegan food that didn't make you shart yourself to death.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Also things like 'Welsh' and 'American' are nationalities, not ethnicities.

    This is what's so confusing to me.

    My mother is from South Dakota, USA. Her parents are from USA, but her parents are some European Caucasian mix.

    My dad is from Karachi, Pakistan. His grand parents as far as I know, all Pakistani (well, Indian I guess, since separation hadn't happened yet).

    Anyway, I was born in Illinois, USA. I don't speak any language other than American English. I don't identify with any part of Irish or Pakistani culture.

    Am I supposed to identify ethnically as half Pakistani and some fraction of Irish / German? If so, why? Is 'American' not a good enough descriptor?

    I also get confused when people break down their heritage into quarters and eighths. Brandon, you are from Minnesota, man.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Scott Adams is a vegan? Man he must be the worlds quietist vegan.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
    Terrible news.


    Conservative News Corp. empire says hackers were inside its network for 2 years

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Scott Adams is a vegan? Man he must be the worlds quietist vegan.

    What? No man, he eats too much shit to be vegan

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  • DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    edited February 27


    Screenshot of Scott Adam's explaining why he pretended to be black.
    For affection, for the social and economic benefits where preferrential treatment exists, and I like to be on a winning team.

    As always, dig up

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    My recollection of the story is that his logic was basically "health is a big craze, so I can solve the personal health problem and make money doing it" which is pretty on brand for a Libertarian with too much confidence in himself. The only surprising thing is that at one point he was tethered enough to reality to even consider some people might like things he doesn't.

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  • proxy_hueproxy_hue Registered User regular
    I've got a few shitty racist cousins who have really really latched onto our family's Irish heritage and the fact the some Irish immigrants to the USA maybe probably voluntarily signed up for a probably still somewhat exploitative indentured servitude arrangement as proof that they're the toughest people on the planet

    And those cousins now make all sorts of shitty remarks that chattel slavery really wasn't all that bad.

    I've got an Italian side of the family that verifiably were brought over through the padrone system and eventually had to flee out of a plantation in Rosedale, Mississippi because there was no other way out of that arrangement with the kind of wages they were making. That's bad, but it's nowhere near as bad as chattel slavery.

    I think some people need to do the work to research what happened in their actual history before they make any kinds of claims, because looking at some vague history stuff and seeing the word "plantation" might make you think things were much worse than they were.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited February 27
    Iirc "Welsh" folk are of celtic ancestry, as opposed to English anglo/saxon (German) ancestry

    e: I suppose the relevance would be related to the idea of English conquests of, well *gestures vaguely everywhere* while the reason Wales has so many castles is because they were colonized and conquered first. Which is I guess meant to separate the conquered/colonized Welsh from the Imperial/Conquering/Colonizing English

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Too racist to work in a bank in the 80s. Levels of racism previously only thought to exist in experimental environments.

    To try and summerize what I've seen from a number of Black creatives commenting today about this: Adams' idea that Black people have it easy actually, and that racism doesn't happen any more, and that Black success is not legitimately earned but handed to them to fulfill some sort of quota dictated by liberal guilt, is actually a much more prevalent strain of racist thought in America than the "openly" racist person who spouts slurs and burns crosses.

    It's still racist, it just has a veneer of deniability/respectability on it. Adams isn't being more racist than a lot of people, he's just being more explicit about it.

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    Docshifty wrote: »


    Screenshot of Scott Adam's explaining why he pretended to be black.
    For affection, for the social and economic benefits where preferrential treatment exists, and I like to be on a winning team.

    As always, dig up

    Immediately made me think of

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=raF8St8whzQ

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Iirc "Welsh" folk are of celtic ancestry, as opposed to English anglo/saxon (German) ancestry

    the welsh are part of the brittonic celt ethnic group that branched off after the majority of england inter-married with anglo-saxons, but the english are also in part celtic

    theres also italian latin in there too

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Its weird that like conservatives have an oppression fetish, where they want to claim to be oppressed but like not actually be oppressed.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Its weird that like conservatives have an oppression fetish, where they want to claim to be oppressed but like not actually be oppressed.

    That's Fascism for ya

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited February 27
    Preacher wrote: »
    Its weird that like conservatives have an oppression fetish, where they want to claim to be oppressed but like not actually be oppressed.

    Cultural myth: the underdog fighting against the unjust oppressor is the morally superior position and focus of sympathy. Naturally they want to imagine themselves as the former, not the latter.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular

    This guy had his comic strip cancelled because he said some really racist shit and is making it clear he isn't going to apologize or anything. Has cancel culture gone too far!?

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  • ChallChall Registered User regular
    Of all the crazy shit Elon has said recently, calling Dilbert "legit funny" is probably the craziest.

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  • DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    "I don't agree with everything [person] says" after someone comes out with some heinous shit always feels like such an easy thing to call out.

    Like, I couldn't help but notice you didn't explicitly disagree with the racism? Would you like to address that directly?

    No? Didn't fuckin think so.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I guess I'm at a loss as to what comedy Adams got canceled for. Like using Elon's logic there all kinds of awful crimes should be "forgiven" because we enjoy some other aspect of a person.

    Armie hammer would be able to act again!

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Dilbert had its first black character less than a year ago.

    People hated the character because it was really, really obviously pushing the creator's bullshit

    https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2022/05/03/dilbert-presents-black-character-gets-dragged/

    If you are wonder what exactly it was:
    Screenshot-2022-05-03-at-06-27-31-Welcome-to-Dilbert.png?ssl=1

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited February 27
    Couscous wrote: »
    Dilbert had its first black character less than a year ago.

    People hated the character because it was really, really obviously pushing the creator's bullshit

    https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2022/05/03/dilbert-presents-black-character-gets-dragged/

    If you are wonder what exactly it was:
    Screenshot-2022-05-03-at-06-27-31-Welcome-to-Dilbert.png?ssl=1

    Even better, Dilbert isn't usually printed in color, being in, y'know, newspapers.

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    A cartoonist with literal decades of experience wrote a visual gag in that doesn't work in the medium he is published in!

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