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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    I read a bit of the onimai manga several years ago and while I didn't get too far it seemed pretty fetishistic to me. (Hence why I dropped it.)

    Maybe the anime toned that down I dunno. *shrug*

    By all accounts it toned it up.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Yeeeah. I dunno about this one, my peeps. I mean, I checked out of the show after an episode, but to me, it's like saying Queen's Blade is about female empowerment because it's all strong fighting women. Even just the premise of forcibly changing someone's gender against their will because YOU think that'll fix them I'd think would be... fraught.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Oh in less iffy news I read the fist few chapters of Throw Away The Suit Together and it's... good!

    The premise is a lesbian couple of two college grads are now job hunting and it's making them miserable. One thing leads to another and they make the impulsive decision to move to Okinawa to get away from everything. With a premise like that you might expect drama but so far it has been very cute, pure gay wish fulfillment. (For example chapter 2 ends with one of them shouting over the island of Okinawa "I'm gonna marry this woman!" Then the other tells her-suprisingly chill-aunt about how she's eloped to Okinawa with her fiance and the former lets the two of them bum out in her unused beach condo for the time being.)

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular


    So this series is pretty promising. It's got some similar vibes to Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man. From the first six chapters I think I like it a little more than what I've read of JJK, not as much as CSM.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Oh did that get picked up officially? I remember there being a lot of buzz about the one shot.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 3
    For all... Uh, one person waiting on the AoT finale, it's not on anything and it's already finished airing.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    I was kidding, but I guess I am the only one who cares. :lol:

    It's on CR and Hulu now.

    https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/G8WUNMMMW/attack-on-titan-final-season-the-final-chapters-special-1

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I stopped caring when it stopped being about giant naked weirdos eating people and instead was about how Japan should totally remilitarize

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    That was wild. Kind of sad I couldn't catch that in a theater, good lord.

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  • asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I stopped caring when it stopped being about giant naked weirdos eating people and instead was about how Japan should totally remilitarize

    i mean, back when it was just giant naked weirdos eating ppl there was the worry that the giants were a metaphor for invading immigrants

    and well

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I stopped caring when it stopped being about giant naked weirdos eating people and instead was about how Japan should totally remilitarize

    i mean, back when it was just giant naked weirdos eating ppl there was the worry that the giants were a metaphor for invading immigrants

    and well

    More to the point, the main plot became less about giants eating people and more about its questionable politics

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular

    Kay Yu has worked on some high profile anime and games. That amount is... yeesh.

  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I stopped caring when it stopped being about giant naked weirdos eating people and instead was about how Japan should totally remilitarize
    I still think this is a really bad reading of the text unless there's some author comments I don't know about.

  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    The subtext to me read like less remilitarization and more, uh, problematically anti-semitic with the third act reveal of what's going on in the world (aka S4).

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I stopped caring when it stopped being about giant naked weirdos eating people and instead was about how Japan should totally remilitarize
    I still think this is a really bad reading of the text unless there's some author comments I don't know about.

    Specifically, the author had a burner Twitter account they used before writing the manga to basically do a little playful revisionist history and say the Japanese occupation of Korea basically wasn't that bad and that 'comparing them to Nazis is wrong.' There's enough meat on the bones to say that the ending of AoT
    can be interpreted as criticism or actually being in support of imperialism and remilitarization. There is not so small portion of alt right folks in Japan who believe this stuff, history books have already been changed much like in the US, to whitewash away warcrimes specifically against Korea. End of the day the work is critical of the cyclical nature of war but I think you can absolutely read it's ending that way. Revisionist history actually plays a huge role in the story of AoT. Specifically with King Fritz and his sex slave wife, you can unfortunately draw some real fucked up parallels with how some Japanese feel about what they did to Korea and China.

    In the end, I think everyone agrees the ending of AoT is baffling and frankly disappointing as hell. What a way to squander an excellent chance to really make a statement on the horrors of war, and instead use it to soapbox for some alt right ideals

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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    back in the day internet detectives found an anonymous twitter account that could've been the author (iirc basically all the evidence was plausible but also, could've about just as reasonably been someone in the same social or work circles) that appeared to have bought into revisionist history bullshit about how, actually, imperial japan had improved things for korea if you really think about it (deeply brainless, gross)

    i think the actual reporting around that was largely pretty, uh, dogshit in a way that clarified nothing and in fact made things more confusing, but also y'know. Sometimes the Vibes Are Bad

    personally my read is just that Isayama is a very bad writer who managed to stumble into basically every possible pothole once he actually had to start resolving and revealing things, sometimes getting weird and bad force multipliers from the way individual bad decisions interacted with each other (blatant, subtlety-free historical analogues x bioware-ass "in the past this group was the oppressor but now they're the oppressed, makes u think" type writing hits worse than either on their own, for example). He might be an ultraconservative dipshit but imo comes off as more just fucking terrible at making an uninteresting, nihilistic point. wet fart of a storyteller.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited March 4
    I'm really not a subtext kind of person, it being the cowards way, but when you start putting armbands on people I'm going to give your thing the weirdest of looks.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    I just actively made the decision to not watch Attack on Titan, because I sometimes manage to stop myself watching bad anime

  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    It's a lot of speculative interpretation surrounding a story that isn't sure what it wants to say and in the end isn't particularly well told.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    It's a lot of speculative interpretation surrounding a story that isn't sure what it wants to say and in the end isn't particularly well told.

    One thing that isn't speculative at all
    the final words of the story, as war ramps up again, is that "if you fight, you live. If you can't fight, you die." That feels pretty on the nose to me, with regards to remilitarization. Because Eren intentionally made himself the bad guy to try to bring about an end to the constant wars, but instead it backfired and radicalized people all over again. Again feels kinda on the nose to me.

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    I just actively made the decision to not watch Attack on Titan, because I sometimes manage to stop myself watching bad anime

    I think attack on Titan is pretty good through seasons 1 and 2 and the twist at that point.

    It's problem is resolving the underlying mysteries in just some real asinine ways

  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Then again I read the wiki synopsis of AoT after it has finished the manga run and went "okay I've gotta watch this absolute bullshit story"

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    I watched a little bit of the anime, went huh, decided to read the manga, read the manga, and just concluded that wow, this isn't very good at all.

    Because... Yep, it's really not all that great!

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Did AOT do the fuckin' stupid Lost mystery box writing method where the author came up with a bunch of cool mysteries to hint at then went "wait shit I actually have to think of resolutions for these? Aw man"

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Did AOT do the fuckin' stupid Lost mystery box writing method where the author came up with a bunch of cool mysteries to hint at then went "wait shit I actually have to think of resolutions for these? Aw man"

    no, the resolutions to the mysteries are good

    it's the resolution to the story that is lacking, even though I can get what they were going for

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    I'm really not a subtext kind of person, it being the cowards way, but when you start putting armbands on people I'm going to give your thing the weirdest of looks.

    One of the bigger crimes of the fascists - ruining armbands. It's a cool look!

    Oh brilliant
  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    It is really hard for me to think of popular long running stories, like more than a decade of serialization, that both have a great ending and a wholesome message even when completely divorced from the unique world of the story. Seems the default is to expect the opposite.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited March 4

    Kay Yu has worked on some high profile anime and games. That amount is... yeesh.

    You can literally trace this back to Tezuka and his trying to make the financials of TV animation work, where he "balanced" the budgets on the back of the staff and set up a tradition that is going strong decades later.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Unionization would address many of those problems but if there's another country as hostile to unions as the US it'd probably be Japan

  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Did AOT do the fuckin' stupid Lost mystery box writing method where the author came up with a bunch of cool mysteries to hint at then went "wait shit I actually have to think of resolutions for these? Aw man"

    no, the resolutions to the mysteries are good

    it's the resolution to the story that is lacking, even though I can get what they were going for

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    Personally I think the whole "mind time traveling ability from the flesh gundam" was kinda stupid.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Did AOT do the fuckin' stupid Lost mystery box writing method where the author came up with a bunch of cool mysteries to hint at then went "wait shit I actually have to think of resolutions for these? Aw man"

    no, the resolutions to the mysteries are good

    it's the resolution to the story that is lacking, even though I can get what they were going for

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    Personally I think the whole "mind time traveling ability from the flesh gundam" was kinda stupid.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The reveal that
    Eren is actually the villain of the story

    is pretty good.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    The reveal that
    Eren is actually the villain of the story

    is pretty good.

    well, kinda

    theres also the whole colonizing oppressive millitary hegemony too

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    Sticking to my interpretation that Attack on Titan is about Israel having nuclear weapons.

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    aot good

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    attack on titan is about the 2016 US election

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 4
    I appreciate that AoT has a fairly clear anti-war message, even if the execution is a bit wonky. What's questionable is if the author had that in mind from the jump, or just thought it up to pad out the plot more.
    It's a lot of speculative interpretation surrounding a story that isn't sure what it wants to say and in the end isn't particularly well told.

    One thing that isn't speculative at all
    the final words of the story, as war ramps up again, is that "if you fight, you live. If you can't fight, you die." That feels pretty on the nose to me, with regards to remilitarization. Because Eren intentionally made himself the bad guy to try to bring about an end to the constant wars, but instead it backfired and radicalized people all over again. Again feels kinda on the nose to me.

    Should probably clarify that this is about the ending.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    attack on titan is about the 2016 US election

    ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    attack on titan is about the 2016 US election

    ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    it's actually about how re-litigating the 2016 election constantly is productive and good

    simple mistake

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    https://youtu.be/a6Fl1Xl1ogg

    this suite is so good

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