Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.
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I mean, it's been nearly twentyfive years since I read it, so I may be forgetting the details, but wasn't it like, the whole thing in Chobits that they very much get together and Chii is absolutely a person despite being specifically unable to have "penetrative sex for the purpose of procreation", as you put it, because her creator was iirc some kind of twisted fuck?
And it's like, the guy's like "sure, it sucks, I would very much love to be able to have sex with my girlfriend, but we'll manage".
1 - A non-binary main character
2 - Two female main characters in an open and loving relationship
3 - A major part of the lore involves two male characters having sex in exchange for making a deal
I mean, it's been nearly twentyfive years since I read it, so I may be forgetting the details, but wasn't it like, the whole thing in Chobits that they very much get together and Chii is absolutely a person despite being specifically unable to have "penetrative sex for the purpose of procreation", as you put it, because her creator was iirc some kind of twisted fuck?
And it's like, the guy's like "sure, it sucks, I would very much love to be able to have sex with my girlfriend, but we'll manage".
The anime and manga have extremely different endings. The manga explicitly states:
That Chii isn't capable of love, or emotions at all. It's all a program. There's nothing special about her whatsoever. She's acting solely as she was programmed to. His love is 'pure' and perfect because it is void of sexual desire.
Answering the question: "Can you love a machine even though it's a machine?" with yes, I don't have an issue with. Framing the question as "We will never be able to have vaginal sex or have a biological child, so we will forever be anguished. Do you love me anyway?" That is the issue. That if you're not a heteronormative nuclear family, then your relationship is innately lesser/something that you must struggle with.
that is one of the least homoerotic things jojo has done
May I say that I was very disappointed when I finally saw Jojo (though I haven't seen seasons 3 and 4) that it was not nearly as homoerotic as I was hoping it'd be.
that is one of the least homoerotic things jojo has done
May I say that I was very disappointed when I finally saw Jojo (though I haven't seen seasons 3 and 4) that it was not nearly as homoerotic as I was hoping it'd be.
Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.
Reminder that Card Captor Sakura has not one, not two, not three but four different student-teacher relationships.
Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.
Reminder that Card Captor Sakura has not one, not two, not three but four different student-teacher relationships.
Just a smart setup for the sequel series, To Card Capture a Predator.
Japan is really great at brainstorming solutions to problems just so they can ignore the actual roots of those problems and pretend to be doing something. Like the declining birth rate and its link to the ever-increasing workload of the average Japanese salaryperson draining all their time and energy to the point there's an actual word for "death by overworking". And just because Abe's dead doesn't mean that will change, Japan's conservatives have held control since after World War 2 when they murdered the leader of the "liberal" party to ensure their power.
Oh, the American military occupation actively encouraged/propped up anti-communist parties and helped suppress and defang any of the Japanese political parties deemed too left-wing for a few decades, too.
Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.
Reminder that Card Captor Sakura has not one, not two, not three but four different student-teacher relationships.
Narrator (*adding hastily*): While Clomp was always queerphobic, they were also known to fight against all forms of romantic relationships with an overt power imbalance between the partners back in the early oughts. Their current stance on this issue is unknown.
Other than the heteronormative stuff what else is wrong with Franxx writing. It seemed bog standard to me.
The story gets extraordinarily nonsensical in the last six or so episodes, and the ending is a doozy.
What happened is that aliens invaded and conquered humanity, but then sentient lava lizard monsters secretly lived in the Earth's core all along, and were able to defeat the aliens. Except that humans could fight the lava monsters, so the aliens brainwashed the shit out of humanity and used them as thralls to proxy war the lizard queen. Zero Two is a human-lizard clone of the lizard queen. They hijack the aliens' super weapon, turning it into a super mech and drive the aliens off, but the aliens upload a bunch of human 'souls' to their mainframe before they go.
At this point, the lizard people reveal that they secretly launched a warp gate back at the start of the war decades ago towards the aliens' home world, so the two main characters jump into their super robot, pick up a planet destroying bomb, and go through the warp gate. Except oops, it's nowhere near the alien's planet yet, so they drift through space for a few years. When they finally reach the planet, they're drained of energy, so everybody on Earth prays for them to be strong, which gives them the energy to literally kamikaze the alien's planet, completely obliterating it and 'saving' the uploaded souls (to death) while the aliens yell "We'll get you next time, Gadget! Next time!" And then the protagonists are reincarnated a thousand years later. The end.
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Finished Megalobox season 1. What a great show.
Started Megalobox season 2. Holy shit, I was in no way prepared for this shift.
Other than the heteronormative stuff what else is wrong with Franxx writing. It seemed bog standard to me.
The story gets extraordinarily nonsensical in the last six or so episodes, and the ending is a doozy.
What happened is that aliens invaded and conquered humanity, but then sentient lava lizard monsters secretly lived in the Earth's core all along, and were able to defeat the aliens. Except that humans could fight the lava monsters, so the aliens brainwashed the shit out of humanity and used them as thralls to proxy war the lizard queen. Zero Two is a human-lizard clone of the lizard queen. They hijack the aliens' super weapon, turning it into a super mech and drive the aliens off, but the aliens upload a bunch of human 'souls' to their mainframe before they go.
At this point, the lizard people reveal that they secretly launched a warp gate back at the start of the war decades ago towards the aliens' home world, so the two main characters jump into their super robot, pick up a planet destroying bomb, and go through the warp gate. Except oops, it's nowhere near the alien's planet yet, so they drift through space for a few years. When they finally reach the planet, they're drained of energy, so everybody on Earth prays for them to be strong, which gives them the energy to literally kamikaze the alien's planet, completely obliterating it and 'saving' the uploaded souls (to death) while the aliens yell "We'll get you next time, Gadget! Next time!" And then the protagonists are reincarnated a thousand years later. The end.
I didn't understand any of that in the spoiler, but it sounds like nobody watching it did either.
Also I ran out of eps at episode 20 as I said before I stopped watching so this confirms that I should just make up my own ending. I was wondering if there was something wrong with the entire show from the start writing wise because it wasn't actually doing anything to be doing anything wrong. It hadn't reached the point of attempting to cash in on anything.
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Started Megalobox season 2. Holy shit, I was in no way prepared for this shift.
Megalobox is a great example of: "Why would you make a season 2? This is perfectly self contained don't be dumb!" -> "Oh shit you've got a story to tell let's do this"
Re Japan and babies: Every industrialized nation is having the same problem. Even places in the Netherlands which people seem to see as leftist utopias.
The fact of the matter is, now that people don't need kids and you can enjoy life simply by spending money on yourself and you'll probably end up in a care home either way... Most people aren't going to bother.
Japan is just ahead of the curve.
As for anime stuff... I was hanging out with my mom and she saw a Promised Neverland poster and thought it looked cool. So I bought her the first manga volume. Now she's asking me for the second one because she needs to know what happens next. Aww yeah, onboarding my 62 year old mother into the fold.
Re Japan and babies: Every industrialized nation is having the same problem. Even places in the Netherlands which people seem to see as leftist utopias.
The fact of the matter is, now that people don't need kids and you can enjoy life simply by spending money on yourself and you'll probably end up in a care home either way... Most people aren't going to bother.
Japan is just ahead of the curve.
As for anime stuff... I was hanging out with my mom and she saw a Promised Neverland poster and thought it looked cool. So I bought her the first manga volume. Now she's asking me for the second one because she needs to know what happens next. Aww yeah, onboarding my 62 year old mother into the fold.
Unlike most industrialized nations however, Japan has known this was coming since the 70's and they have been working on ways to handle the issue. Some of the best public healthcare and childcare of the world, subsidized housing if you are willing to live outside the major cities*, mass investment on automatization and being willing to move their industrial footprint to countries with better demographics, and so on and so on. So, their birthrate actually went up a bit, is still bad, but is something, and they are doing better than most countries on East Asia.
*Which is fighting against the facts that the jobs are on Tokyo, poor Internet access outside the large cities and boomer execs fighting tooth and nail againstg WFH, but hey.
Okay what's up with the newer JoJo arcs? They're in another timeline or something? I feel like I've asked this like three times but the information simply won't stay in my brain
Okay what's up with the newer JoJo arcs? They're in another timeline or something? I feel like I've asked this like three times but the information simply won't stay in my brain
Everything after stone ocean is an alternate timeline
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Okay what's up with the newer JoJo arcs? They're in another timeline or something? I feel like I've asked this like three times but the information simply won't stay in my brain
One of the arcs escalated a Stand power to the level of "annihilate the known universe", resulting in a more or less complete reset of the continuity and a new universe plodding forward with leftover pieces of the old one.
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That's what people assume (for good reason) but it's never been outright stated to be the case.
When Jojolion came out Araki got asked in an interview about the relation between Part 4 Josuke and Part 8 Josuke, and he replied with something along the lines of "Don't think of them as being the same character. Instead think of them as people from different dimensions that have a similar frequence"
two fun and entirely wild spoilers for post-Stone Ocean JoJo deeplore that don't actually come up in any way in the main line of JoJo, to my knowledge (I haven't finished part 8), but Araki has mentioned offhand elsewhere:
Giorno likely survived the end of Stone Ocean and made it to the next world, because of how broken his Stand is
The Earth has been through at least a dozen of these cycles because the events of JoJo keep happening in some incarnation. However, the effects are limited to Earth and the rest of the universe proceeds as normal. This means there are a lot of Karses that end up hanging out together on Mars
The Stone Ocean Anime kinda helped straighten my thoughts on what's what.
The Roundabout Credit Sequence in the Final Episode, showing scenes from all the previous Jojos, and the scene of Emporio meeting the new versions of the Green Dolphin Gang. That implies to me that the previous Jojos still had their adventures more or less the same in this new world, but the major difference is with Pucci gone, the removal of his gravity (defined as the influence he has on the world and other people) has radically altered the lives of the Part 6 group. So the Wonderful World is the Original Timeline up until Pucci doesn't happen.
Then Steel Ball Run and Jojolion and now Jojolands are an entirely different universe, surprise fanservicey moments notwithstanding.
Okay what's up with the newer JoJo arcs? They're in another timeline or something? I feel like I've asked this like three times but the information simply won't stay in my brain
you can essentially call them a reboot. the exact mechanics are more complicated but also don't matter at all
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And it's like, the guy's like "sure, it sucks, I would very much love to be able to have sex with my girlfriend, but we'll manage".
1 - A non-binary main character
2 - Two female main characters in an open and loving relationship
3 - A major part of the lore involves two male characters having sex in exchange for making a deal
The anime and manga have extremely different endings. The manga explicitly states:
Answering the question: "Can you love a machine even though it's a machine?" with yes, I don't have an issue with. Framing the question as "We will never be able to have vaginal sex or have a biological child, so we will forever be anguished. Do you love me anyway?" That is the issue. That if you're not a heteronormative nuclear family, then your relationship is innately lesser/something that you must struggle with.
Probably don't need the "in Korea" part
May I say that I was very disappointed when I finally saw Jojo (though I haven't seen seasons 3 and 4) that it was not nearly as homoerotic as I was hoping it'd be.
You haven’t gotten to the homerotic parts yet
Reminder that Card Captor Sakura has not one, not two, not three but four different student-teacher relationships.
Just a smart setup for the sequel series, To Card Capture a Predator.
Oh, the American military occupation actively encouraged/propped up anti-communist parties and helped suppress and defang any of the Japanese political parties deemed too left-wing for a few decades, too.
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Narrator: It was actually Clamp's evil clone, Clomp, raised in secret to hate all that Clamp holds dear.
Narrator (*adding hastily*): While Clomp was always queerphobic, they were also known to fight against all forms of romantic relationships with an overt power imbalance between the partners back in the early oughts. Their current stance on this issue is unknown.
The story gets extraordinarily nonsensical in the last six or so episodes, and the ending is a doozy.
At this point, the lizard people reveal that they secretly launched a warp gate back at the start of the war decades ago towards the aliens' home world, so the two main characters jump into their super robot, pick up a planet destroying bomb, and go through the warp gate. Except oops, it's nowhere near the alien's planet yet, so they drift through space for a few years. When they finally reach the planet, they're drained of energy, so everybody on Earth prays for them to be strong, which gives them the energy to literally kamikaze the alien's planet, completely obliterating it and 'saving' the uploaded souls (to death) while the aliens yell "We'll get you next time, Gadget! Next time!" And then the protagonists are reincarnated a thousand years later. The end.
Started Megalobox season 2. Holy shit, I was in no way prepared for this shift.
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I didn't understand any of that in the spoiler, but it sounds like nobody watching it did either.
Also I ran out of eps at episode 20 as I said before I stopped watching so this confirms that I should just make up my own ending. I was wondering if there was something wrong with the entire show from the start writing wise because it wasn't actually doing anything to be doing anything wrong. It hadn't reached the point of attempting to cash in on anything.
Megalobox is a great example of: "Why would you make a season 2? This is perfectly self contained don't be dumb!" -> "Oh shit you've got a story to tell let's do this"
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The fact of the matter is, now that people don't need kids and you can enjoy life simply by spending money on yourself and you'll probably end up in a care home either way... Most people aren't going to bother.
Japan is just ahead of the curve.
As for anime stuff... I was hanging out with my mom and she saw a Promised Neverland poster and thought it looked cool. So I bought her the first manga volume. Now she's asking me for the second one because she needs to know what happens next. Aww yeah, onboarding my 62 year old mother into the fold.
Unlike most industrialized nations however, Japan has known this was coming since the 70's and they have been working on ways to handle the issue. Some of the best public healthcare and childcare of the world, subsidized housing if you are willing to live outside the major cities*, mass investment on automatization and being willing to move their industrial footprint to countries with better demographics, and so on and so on. So, their birthrate actually went up a bit, is still bad, but is something, and they are doing better than most countries on East Asia.
*Which is fighting against the facts that the jobs are on Tokyo, poor Internet access outside the large cities and boomer execs fighting tooth and nail againstg WFH, but hey.
Doubt she knew it was manga or Japanese at all
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Everything after stone ocean is an alternate timeline
One of the arcs escalated a Stand power to the level of "annihilate the known universe", resulting in a more or less complete reset of the continuity and a new universe plodding forward with leftover pieces of the old one.
When Jojolion came out Araki got asked in an interview about the relation between Part 4 Josuke and Part 8 Josuke, and he replied with something along the lines of "Don't think of them as being the same character. Instead think of them as people from different dimensions that have a similar frequence"
The Earth has been through at least a dozen of these cycles because the events of JoJo keep happening in some incarnation. However, the effects are limited to Earth and the rest of the universe proceeds as normal. This means there are a lot of Karses that end up hanging out together on Mars
Then Steel Ball Run and Jojolion and now Jojolands are an entirely different universe, surprise fanservicey moments notwithstanding.
you can essentially call them a reboot. the exact mechanics are more complicated but also don't matter at all
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