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If you love [Star Trek] you must hate [Star Trek]

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    While the crossover was very cool and rad I'm still just shocked that the Enterprise era characters were mentioned and it wasn't a gag.

    Is the Lower Decks writer who did this episode just The One Dude who loved Enterprise?

    Enterprise has had sort of a reappraisal I think

    Except the last episode

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  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    Pour one out for Malcolm. He got the same development as the other minor bridge crew. Basically if you weren't Tucker, T'Pol or Archer, you were interchangeable.

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Whose Malcolm? I assume Archers dog? Etc etc

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Trip was engineering, Malcolm was tactical, t'pol was science, phlox was medical, archer was captain, Hoshi was comms, conner was Wesley Crusher

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    While the crossover was very cool and rad I'm still just shocked that the Enterprise era characters were mentioned and it wasn't a gag.

    Is the Lower Decks writer who did this episode just The One Dude who loved Enterprise?

    Enterprise has had sort of a reappraisal I think

    Except the last episode

    The later seasons improve, but it's still hamstrung by one of the core problems Voyager had. The writing for the captain was generally awful and the writers seemed to play favorites with what they gave the rest of the crew. One of the big things about DS9, other than the general high quality of the work, is that everyone on the cast got a little sumptin sumptin from the writers. Voyager and Enterprise, not so much.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • Jean-LucJean-Luc Registered User regular
    If the time portal had ancient Nausicaan writing on it doesn't that mean Nausicaans discovered it?

    Justice for...ummmm.....these guys?
    Nausicaan.jpg

  • CroakerBCCroakerBC TorontoRegistered User regular
    Jean-Luc wrote: »
    If the time portal had ancient Nausicaan writing on it doesn't that mean Nausicaans discovered it?

    Justice for...ummmm.....these guys?
    Nausicaan.jpg
    I mean, they built it.
    Discovering it means someone *found* it.
    But it is linguistically problematic now I think about it.

    I absolutely loved the lead up to that "What's Dom Jot?" "A game Nausicaan's are very bad at but love to bet on for some reason." Which was both funny in its own right, and precision-crafted funny as a call back to TNG's Tapestry.

  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    I love Scott Bakula and by all accounts he was super professional and well liked on set, but he was absolutely the wrong actor for Archer. He made Archer dour, angry, and kind of a jerk. A different actor in the chair I think would have improved the show.

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I love Scott Bakula and by all accounts he was super professional and well liked on set, but he was absolutely the wrong actor for Archer. He made Archer dour, angry, and kind of a jerk. A different actor in the chair I think would have improved the show.

    Unless Bakula came up with the idea of having Archer's dog piss on a holy tree and then have Archer be angry that the locals didn't like it, I'm going to go with the writers being the ones who were doing a bad job. This is the writer's room that came up with Dear Doctor after all.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    'Discovering' something means finding it and writing down that you found it.
    Like 'discovering' America or Australia. Those people living there already hadn't written it down, so it didn't count.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    I saw the crossover episode and it was great as everyone said, I definitely didn't need to see LD beforehand.

    That said, I did try to watch the first episode of LD, but It's just way to fast and frenetic for me. I'm just getting to old for this hyperactive animation style. :(

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    I saw the crossover episode and it was great as everyone said, I definitely didn't need to see LD beforehand.

    That said, I did try to watch the first episode of LD, but It's just way to fast and frenetic for me. I'm just getting to old for this hyperactive animation style. :(

    It does slow down somewhat as it goes along. I might try random episode from the second or third season to see if it’s something you’d be into.

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    CroakerBC wrote: »
    Jean-Luc wrote: »
    If the time portal had ancient Nausicaan writing on it doesn't that mean Nausicaans discovered it?

    Justice for...ummmm.....these guys?
    Nausicaan.jpg
    I mean, they built it.
    Discovering it means someone *found* it.
    But it is linguistically problematic now I think about it.

    I absolutely loved the lead up to that "What's Dom Jot?" "A game Nausicaan's are very bad at but love to bet on for some reason." Which was both funny in its own right, and precision-crafted funny as a call back to TNG's Tapestry.

    I'm going to guess based on the translation...
    They didn't create it, only labeled it.

  • HeavyVillainHeavyVillain Registered User regular
    I saw the crossover episode and it was great as everyone said, I definitely didn't need to see LD beforehand.

    That said, I did try to watch the first episode of LD, but It's just way to fast and frenetic for me. I'm just getting to old for this hyperactive animation style. :(

    It took me a while to get into LD, and the first ep was rough yeah (esp the random boimler stabbing at the start)

    i cant pretend I love the animation style but i wish I hadnt dismissed it because of it I only really started watching it because of this thread and thought 'well I must be missing out'

  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    I saw the crossover episode and it was great as everyone said, I definitely didn't need to see LD beforehand.

    That said, I did try to watch the first episode of LD, but It's just way to fast and frenetic for me. I'm just getting to old for this hyperactive animation style. :(

    It does slow down somewhat as it goes along. I might try random episode from the second or third season to see if it’s something you’d be into.

    Second Season Only

    A random 3rd season episode could be the Bird People episode which I would not want to walk into cold

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    I've said it before, but the first five minutes of Lower Decks was absolutely a leftover from someones pitch of "It's like Rick and Morty, but Star Trek"

    It's literally the same opening as Rick and Morty; older, terrible mentor figure comes in completely drunk and forces the sober mentee into a dangerous situation. It even flows similarly, it's uncanny.

  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    I always, always recommend if people want to see Lower Decks at its best then see Season 1.9 and 1.10

    1.9 Crisis Point is a loving homage to TOS movies with a point
    1.10 No Small Parts is just pure Star Trek with a wonderful payoff.

    If you don't enjoy those, it's not your jam - and that's ok!

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    While the crossover was very cool and rad I'm still just shocked that the Enterprise era characters were mentioned and it wasn't a gag.

    Is the Lower Decks writer who did this episode just The One Dude who loved Enterprise?

    Enterprise has had sort of a reappraisal I think

    Except the last episode

    I recently saw that again for the first time since original broadcast.
    It's still bad!

  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    So my working theory (I've explained it here before) for Enterprise actually ... at least in my mind, explains a lot of the weirdness of Enterprise, and even helps make the final episode a little less bad. Unlike the other Treks, Enterprise is essentially a recreation of what happened in that era based primarily on Archer's logs. It explains why only the senior crew got the real focus, it explains the massive character shift over season 3 for archer, etc.

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    One thing LD has going for it as it moves through the seasons is that the animation and coloring is just outstanding, especially the big ship battle scenes. Some of the best I've seen for an American made cartoon in a long time.

    Enterprise is a just a pretty bad show. Yeah it supposedly gets better in the later seasons, but to get there you have to get through one of the worst show pilots out there, possibly the dumbest and most whiney star trek captain ever, and eventually, when the show was struggling to keep an audience, a completely unnecessary, demeaning, and insulting TnA scene with Jolene Blalok, who I believe was an actual Trek fan who had always wanted to act on a Trek show.\

    Edit: Though I do have to remind myself when I talk about Enterprise how TNG had some real offensive episodes in those first two seasons and had plenty bad writing. And it also wasn't above its own unnecessary TnA scenes like the infamous girls stretching in tights scene.

    Dark_Side on
  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    I mean look at T'Pol's outfits. She was clearly born out of a Seven of Nine eye candy approach - which is just sad.
    And Archer is just annoying! He seems to hate his job most of the time. Dude, you're in frickin' space, lighten up!
    And that last episode....wow. Way to insult fans and cast at the same time Berman.

    But there are some good things about Enterprise. And not just grapplers. S4 is better and in many ways I'd recommend just watching that.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    I always, always recommend if people want to see Lower Decks at its best then see Season 1.9 and 1.10

    1.9 Crisis Point is a loving homage to TOS movies with a point
    1.10 No Small Parts is just pure Star Trek with a wonderful payoff.

    If you don't enjoy those, it's not your jam - and that's ok!

    One of my favorite reviewers has a particularly negative response to Crisis Point, and after mulling it over I really can't blame him.

    SfDebris, the reviewer in question, used to teach in American public school. He was actually unable to finish watching the episode because
    The idea of a coworker fantasizing about killing her coworkers hit far too close to home.

    He lived in a world where a school shooting could happen at any time, caused by any student, teacher, or stranger off the street. If he knew that a coworker was role-playing a murder of all of the teachers, he would never work with that person again.

    I liked the episode, but I can't argue at all with that viewpoint.

    "excuse my French
    But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
    - Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    Cambiata wrote: »
    I always, always recommend if people want to see Lower Decks at its best then see Season 1.9 and 1.10

    1.9 Crisis Point is a loving homage to TOS movies with a point
    1.10 No Small Parts is just pure Star Trek with a wonderful payoff.

    If you don't enjoy those, it's not your jam - and that's ok!

    One of my favorite reviewers has a particularly negative response to Crisis Point, and after mulling it over I really can't blame him.

    SfDebris, the reviewer in question, used to teach in American public school. He was actually unable to finish watching the episode because
    The idea of a coworker fantasizing about killing her coworkers hit far too close to home.

    He lived in a world where a school shooting could happen at any time, caused by any student, teacher, or stranger off the street. If he knew that a coworker was role-playing a murder of all of the teachers, he would never work with that person again.

    I liked the episode, but I can't argue at all with that viewpoint.

    I started to respond to this, but then I remembered that my own high school experience was almost 40 years ago.
    A lot has changed and/or "hits different", as they say.

    Commander Zoom on
  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    I always, always recommend if people want to see Lower Decks at its best then see Season 1.9 and 1.10

    1.9 Crisis Point is a loving homage to TOS movies with a point
    1.10 No Small Parts is just pure Star Trek with a wonderful payoff.

    If you don't enjoy those, it's not your jam - and that's ok!

    One of my favorite reviewers has a particularly negative response to Crisis Point, and after mulling it over I really can't blame him.

    SfDebris, the reviewer in question, used to teach in American public school. He was actually unable to finish watching the episode because
    The idea of a coworker fantasizing about killing her coworkers hit far too close to home.

    He lived in a world where a school shooting could happen at any time, caused by any student, teacher, or stranger off the street. If he knew that a coworker was role-playing a murder of all of the teachers, he would never work with that person again.

    I liked the episode, but I can't argue at all with that viewpoint.

    Yes I can see that. But critically the episode has much to say on that issue and I think the resolution justifies what happens before as a warning lesson, not a thrill.
    Also I happen to love
    That in the end the person who beats Mariner is herself - the idealised version of who she really is. And who calls her out on her crazy bullshit. It marks the point in the series where she stops being a petulant child and instead starts to act Starfleet.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Like I said, I liked the episode and the message myself. But I also don't have CPTSD related to that sort of thing.

    "excuse my French
    But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
    - Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Someone want to go ahead and make the new thread?

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Please include the usual note about spoilers, etc

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