Step dad passed away on April 28th. Mom has surgery tomorrow, but thankfully my sister lives nearby and can help out. They are cremating him then holding off on the funeral because my step-sister lives in Australia, and ashes don't spoil.
Wife's birthday party on Saturday was a massive success, as was taking off yesterday to spoil her rotten (couples massage, nice dinner, long walk with the dogs, seeing movies).
'Ok, gimme sixty seconds to wrap this thing up, I'll be with you in sixty-five.'
'Yeah, just hurry up already.'
*DEEDUBS STARES MOTHERFUCKERLY*
'Did you ... hang on.'
*does task, takes deep breath*
And then the conversation proceeded about *HE* told *ME* that I needed to stop asking about other departments needing staff or whatever qualifications were needed to transfer or make a lateral move. Because somehow I owe him my life, I guess?
'Listen, you want certain things, I'm qualified to do much, much more. We talked about it during my interview. Your boss's-boss has already been engaged about me doing a cracker-jack job. Tell me, do you see me wasting my time, experience, motivation, determination ... all of it ... making *JUICE* to make *YOUR* numbers look good?'
*mumbled manager words*
'Look, come up with a plan to incorporate me before the end of summer, or ... I SWEAR TO A GOD I HAVE A COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP WITH ... I'll be your worst nightmare when I leave.
...
...
...
The funny thing is that I have once again underplayed my hand.
Who is it trying to grill you on this? Direct manager, some other mucky-muck, some random butthead team lead who's too interested in what you're up to?
Found this meme that felt just right for the jobs thread.
Pacificstar on
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David_TA fashion yes-man is no good to me.Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered Userregular
Had a talk with the CEO today and now I know what he says about my friend to people who aren't her.
Some positive, he was very "don't, I mean, you do you in the end, but maybe don't go looking for a different job", so I think the Saudi thing may have scared him a little bit.
Who is it trying to grill you on this? Direct manager, some other mucky-muck, some random butthead team lead who's too interested in what you're up to?
It's very much the guy who interviewed me but who has the authority of a dry snail; he's ... goddammit ... the man has no fucking backbone! His department lead has created a clique of Mean Girls! And he's in charge of his department lead!
Look, I've been awake since 10:30 pm CST last night and I've had one or three cocktails and some chow; we'll talk later, promise.
Motherfuckers if you change a backend database report's functionality without communicating it to users who rely on it I will go nuclear on your ass until it's reverted
Oh my god my entire department lost access to the functionality because if there is a change to org units on the back-end the administrators have to go in and manually update this particular authorization. Jesus christ.
Functionality has been restored because the cave men have hammered our names back into cuneiform amidst the walls of Authority and then painted over them with the blood of our enemies
Well interview done. I think it went OK. There were one or two questions that I wasn't able to give a specific example but bullshit my way through hypotheticals that I deal with in my current role that aligned with it.
Otherwise, I was personable, engaged, well caffeinated, had a good back and forth, asked questions, took my own notes. Also I looked good. My interview fit came together well and I got my hair and beard on point, son.
So now its a waiting game. They said they should know something hopefully before May 15th. I'm really hoping the fact I'm already in the company and familiar with the culture gets me big points. That said it's definitely a cubicle, call center/help desk thing. Not really what I saw myself doing with my life or something I've EVER done but I need out of this current gig. It's a newer role so they emphasized that it would be a good opportunity to "help define the standard" which eeeehhhhh.... that could actually help me or it could end up being a dumpster fire.
Either way I'm not going to worry about it right now. I need to get through this move. They know me, now. They have my resume. If I don't get the job I plan on asking them what I should be on the lookout for that would fit me better.
So that community center job that I went for last year is open again.
Less than 6 months.
I think I'm going to pass on applying.
While it's theoretically a dream job, only 20 hours a week, right around the corner, working on the community and not corporate stuff
It's an election year here, budgets are being slashed by the mayor, specifically anything community focused budget wise is being slashed in almost half, plus I kind of need my health insurance right now.
But yeah. A tiny tempted but not as much as I was last year
What about applying and interviewing just to get some more information for when you're in a better spot to consider it seriously?
Honestly? Your concerns are all very valid ones to ask in an interview as well.
"The mayor is slashing budgets, how do you anticipate this impacting your center?"
"I noticed this application was up 6 months ago, what happened?"
While I see this logic
I would almost certainly melt. I would either get so invested in getting the job again that rejection would shatter me. Or the thought of even looking at my CV again will just destroy my confidence again ten fold.
No. I'm good where I am. Until the automation removes me completely.
Well interview done. I think it went OK. There were one or two questions that I wasn't able to give a specific example but bullshit my way through hypotheticals that I deal with in my current role that aligned with it.
Otherwise, I was personable, engaged, well caffeinated, had a good back and forth, asked questions, took my own notes. Also I looked good. My interview fit came together well and I got my hair and beard on point, son.
So now its a waiting game. They said they should know something hopefully before May 15th. I'm really hoping the fact I'm already in the company and familiar with the culture gets me big points. That said it's definitely a cubicle, call center/help desk thing. Not really what I saw myself doing with my life or something I've EVER done but I need out of this current gig. It's a newer role so they emphasized that it would be a good opportunity to "help define the standard" which eeeehhhhh.... that could actually help me or it could end up being a dumpster fire.
Either way I'm not going to worry about it right now. I need to get through this move. They know me, now. They have my resume. If I don't get the job I plan on asking them what I should be on the lookout for that would fit me better.
Regardless of whether you get this job or not, CONGRATULATIONS. You're better and more practiced at interviewing for having done it. Even if you have to interview for other jobs, I think you'll be more comfortable and confident when you have them. Hopefully, you also feel better about your ability to get these kinds of jobs that are a lot different from what you do now. If it were me, I'd apply to more jobs and not just wait around to hear back from this one.
Been dealing with vague passive aggressiveness about bathroom breaks all day.
It was like pulling teeth.... but I finally got a straight answer from about MY bathroom breaks. tl;dr all of my time AFK (besides lunch) is seen as one "pool" and I'm supposed to only use 30 minutes a day.
They were giving me vague warnings because I was taking two 15 minute breaks like everyone else will not realizing that pee breaks are the same "resource."
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Juggs I just want to say, as a dude who has only this tenuously social relationship with you, it seems like over the last year or so you've gotten a lot more confidence in just going "fuck it, let's see how it goes" and I think it's cool.
Yeah, she's calling Lincoln Financial today to figure out wtf.
I feel it is important, to truly understand the fuckery, to point out
The sticking point is that Thursday and Friday that she was sent home. They say those are unexcused. With those approved, as the letter we got says, her attendance is at 100%
Yeah, that's right. These 2 days would literally be her only absences that aren't covered by some sort of day or leave, and drop her to 96.5%, approx. Minimum rate is 99%
That's what this is all about. 2.5% attendance.
The full FMLA has been accepted. Final Notice rescinded.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
Yeah, she's calling Lincoln Financial today to figure out wtf.
I feel it is important, to truly understand the fuckery, to point out
The sticking point is that Thursday and Friday that she was sent home. They say those are unexcused. With those approved, as the letter we got says, her attendance is at 100%
Yeah, that's right. These 2 days would literally be her only absences that aren't covered by some sort of day or leave, and drop her to 96.5%, approx. Minimum rate is 99%
That's what this is all about. 2.5% attendance.
The full FMLA has been accepted. Final Notice rescinded.
Yeah, she's calling Lincoln Financial today to figure out wtf.
I feel it is important, to truly understand the fuckery, to point out
The sticking point is that Thursday and Friday that she was sent home. They say those are unexcused. With those approved, as the letter we got says, her attendance is at 100%
Yeah, that's right. These 2 days would literally be her only absences that aren't covered by some sort of day or leave, and drop her to 96.5%, approx. Minimum rate is 99%
That's what this is all about. 2.5% attendance.
The full FMLA has been accepted. Final Notice rescinded.
Did the lawyers have to get involved or did they figure it out on their own?
if a job interviewer asks some version of "where do you see yourself in 5 years," i have assumed that what they definitely don't want to hear is that you're planning to have moved on from the job by then. They want to hear that you're in it for the long-haul and if anything you hope that you've moved up to a higher position with them
My boss once complained about an interview for a position (that was vacant for like a year) where the person said they're significant other was in a doctoral program so he wasn't sure.
To which I told the boss "well the average tenure for the position is less than 4 years so I think that's a reasonable statement"
Anyways I'm on year 3 this month.
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I have often wondered about answering the 5 year question with "in your seat." Then, after a moment, explaining that I hope to be such an asset to the team that all of us get elevated together, so that the interviewer gets a promotion, I get a promotion, teammates get promotions, etc.
Just turn a completely arrogant answer into one about your ambitions and team spirit.
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I got all but 20 shelves of non-fiction shifted before I ran out or juice and also muscle strength. Should be able to finish tomorrow. Then I can modify the newly empty shelves, put the rest of the manga on them, then move/make the shelf signs.
Juggs I just want to say, as a dude who has only this tenuously social relationship with you, it seems like over the last year or so you've gotten a lot more confidence in just going "fuck it, let's see how it goes" and I think it's cool.
I appreciate it. I dunno if I feel like I've changed any but at least with regards to this whole job thing spite is a hell of a motivator.
FishmanPut your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain.Registered Userregular
I've always answered the 5 years from now question with personal life goals, then added as an addendum 'and working in a position that challenges me enough to stay interesting, supports my development and growth, and has a positive working culture'.
Put it back on them if they can't provide basic healthy working environment.
Get vague with the question and talk about an ideal set of roles and responsibilities that are compatible with the position (or foreseeably a step up if it's clear the job has some clearance for promotion)
I'd like to be in a creative role with a supportive team, and having gained substantial experience with the product so I can work independently and contribute with my x y z skillset yada yada yada
They don't want you to bail out, they want to know what your general career goals are and that they mesh with the listed position
Yeah, she's calling Lincoln Financial today to figure out wtf.
I feel it is important, to truly understand the fuckery, to point out
The sticking point is that Thursday and Friday that she was sent home. They say those are unexcused. With those approved, as the letter we got says, her attendance is at 100%
Yeah, that's right. These 2 days would literally be her only absences that aren't covered by some sort of day or leave, and drop her to 96.5%, approx. Minimum rate is 99%
That's what this is all about. 2.5% attendance.
The full FMLA has been accepted. Final Notice rescinded.
Did the lawyers have to get involved or did they figure it out on their own?
Presumably something between them and Lincoln Financial.
Prior to today, we were waiting for Lincoln to send new FMLA paperwork over to take to the doctor cause, she was approved for continous, but she needed intermittent (since she called of the 10th, worked the 11th and 12th, then was sent home the 13th and 14th).
I would assume somebody with half a brain went "She's out of the probation period in a month so the notice is pointless, she WILL get these days approved, just fucking drop it."
Been dealing with vague passive aggressiveness about bathroom breaks all day.
It was like pulling teeth.... but I finally got a straight answer from about MY bathroom breaks. tl;dr all of my time AFK (besides lunch) is seen as one "pool" and I'm supposed to only use 30 minutes a day.
They were giving me vague warnings because I was taking two 15 minute breaks like everyone else will not realizing that pee breaks are the same "resource."
Well interview done. I think it went OK. There were one or two questions that I wasn't able to give a specific example but bullshit my way through hypotheticals that I deal with in my current role that aligned with it.
Otherwise, I was personable, engaged, well caffeinated, had a good back and forth, asked questions, took my own notes. Also I looked good. My interview fit came together well and I got my hair and beard on point, son.
So now its a waiting game. They said they should know something hopefully before May 15th. I'm really hoping the fact I'm already in the company and familiar with the culture gets me big points. That said it's definitely a cubicle, call center/help desk thing. Not really what I saw myself doing with my life or something I've EVER done but I need out of this current gig. It's a newer role so they emphasized that it would be a good opportunity to "help define the standard" which eeeehhhhh.... that could actually help me or it could end up being a dumpster fire.
Either way I'm not going to worry about it right now. I need to get through this move. They know me, now. They have my resume. If I don't get the job I plan on asking them what I should be on the lookout for that would fit me better.
As someone who does office work directly with our service guys, the best ones are the ones that actually did the job for a few years. Your skills and experience are a HUGE asset to that kind of role.
JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
I called in sick today because I needed to. Feeling pretty good now, but I've also eaten six steroid pills since noon, according to the buck wild instructions on the blister pack.
It would probably be a waste to go to an actual doctor and not take another sick day just to be safe, yeah?
The five year question is a dumb one, but I usually say "happy and satisfied with my life and work".
I can see the value of it if you're hiring with hopes to hire someone to replace a soon-to-be-retired asset, or if it is a role that takes a few years to really learn
Maybe less vital in private industry jobs with higher turnover rates though
if a job interviewer asks some version of "where do you see yourself in 5 years," i have assumed that what they definitely don't want to hear is that you're planning to have moved on from the job by then. They want to hear that you're in it for the long-haul and if anything you hope that you've moved up to a higher position with them
rule of thumb, is that a good assumption to make?
I think the answer is generally something like “having mastered X and growing into Y.” Or “I see myself as a leader” or “ I see myself as a strong individual contributor owning core responsibility for <insert vague thing>”.
I think it’s a weird kind of fit/ ambition question
I think asking where you see yourself in 5 years is kind of a bad interview question but it's pretty easy to answer with some variation of either being really good at the job you're interviewing for and mentoring new employees, or being a supervisor/next level technical expert in the same line of things.
I've, apparently, really impressed some people I was interviewing for by saying my 5 year plan was to become "the guy" for whatever technical area/unit I was assigned to, in the sense of "oh, you've got a problem with X? Milski's the X guy, he'll know the answer."
The five year question is a dumb one, but I usually say "happy and satisfied with my life and work".
I can see the value of it if you're hiring with hopes to hire someone to replace a soon-to-be-retired asset, or if it is a role that takes a few years to really learn
Maybe less vital in private industry jobs with higher turnover rates though
With most interview questions, I feel it's designed to verify if you have any sort of logical thought in your head or if it's nothing but hot air and marketing spin
My boss once complained about an interview for a position (that was vacant for like a year) where the person said they're significant other was in a doctoral program so he wasn't sure.
To which I told the boss "well the average tenure for the position is less than 4 years so I think that's a reasonable statement"
Anyways I'm on year 3 this month.
A certain amount of interviews is knowing how to tell the people there what they want to hear. You don't say that in 5 years you'll be out of this job, you say in 5 years you'll be a supervisor or team lead or some shit. If you only spend a year at that company, it's not like you lied, your plans just changed.
JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
"The year is 2028. A dust plume rises over the scorched plains of what was formerly the American Midwest. A squadron of patched-together battlecars are running hard toward the last functioning windmill in Union County, defended by a horde of ai-infected Amazon drones. I stand on the scrap iron hood of a dune buggy waving a shotgun overhead, thirsty for droneblood. And do you know who is operating the pintle-mounted machine gun behind me?"
Interviewer, breathlessly: "Is it me?"
"You're goddamn right it's you. Hire me and our children will drink water like the kings of old."
"The year is 2028. A dust plume rises over the scorched plains of what was formerly the American Midwest. A squadron of patched-together battlecars are running hard toward the last functioning windmill in Union County, defended by a horde of ai-infected Amazon drones. I stand on the scrap iron hood of a dune buggy waving a shotgun overhead, thirsty for droneblood. And do you know who is operating the pintle-mounted machine gun behind me?"
Interviewer, breathlessly: "Is it me?"
"You're goddamn right it's you. Hire me and our children will drink water like the kings of old."
if a job interviewer asks some version of "where do you see yourself in 5 years," i have assumed that what they definitely don't want to hear is that you're planning to have moved on from the job by then. They want to hear that you're in it for the long-haul and if anything you hope that you've moved up to a higher position with them
rule of thumb, is that a good assumption to make?
"I see myself celebrating the 5-year anniversary of you asking me that question."
--Alternatively--
"I took far too much Soviet history in school to ever put together a 5-year plan."
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'Ok, gimme sixty seconds to wrap this thing up, I'll be with you in sixty-five.'
'Yeah, just hurry up already.'
*DEEDUBS STARES MOTHERFUCKERLY*
'Did you ... hang on.'
*does task, takes deep breath*
And then the conversation proceeded about *HE* told *ME* that I needed to stop asking about other departments needing staff or whatever qualifications were needed to transfer or make a lateral move. Because somehow I owe him my life, I guess?
'Listen, you want certain things, I'm qualified to do much, much more. We talked about it during my interview. Your boss's-boss has already been engaged about me doing a cracker-jack job. Tell me, do you see me wasting my time, experience, motivation, determination ... all of it ... making *JUICE* to make *YOUR* numbers look good?'
*mumbled manager words*
'Look, come up with a plan to incorporate me before the end of summer, or ... I SWEAR TO A GOD I HAVE A COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP WITH ... I'll be your worst nightmare when I leave.
...
...
...
The funny thing is that I have once again underplayed my hand.
Some positive, he was very "don't, I mean, you do you in the end, but maybe don't go looking for a different job", so I think the Saudi thing may have scared him a little bit.
It's very much the guy who interviewed me but who has the authority of a dry snail; he's ... goddammit ... the man has no fucking backbone! His department lead has created a clique of Mean Girls! And he's in charge of his department lead!
Look, I've been awake since 10:30 pm CST last night and I've had one or three cocktails and some chow; we'll talk later, promise.
Now, it's some kinda sausage I bought.
Don't judge me.
Functionality has been restored because the cave men have hammered our names back into cuneiform amidst the walls of Authority and then painted over them with the blood of our enemies
Otherwise, I was personable, engaged, well caffeinated, had a good back and forth, asked questions, took my own notes. Also I looked good. My interview fit came together well and I got my hair and beard on point, son.
So now its a waiting game. They said they should know something hopefully before May 15th. I'm really hoping the fact I'm already in the company and familiar with the culture gets me big points. That said it's definitely a cubicle, call center/help desk thing. Not really what I saw myself doing with my life or something I've EVER done but I need out of this current gig. It's a newer role so they emphasized that it would be a good opportunity to "help define the standard" which eeeehhhhh.... that could actually help me or it could end up being a dumpster fire.
Either way I'm not going to worry about it right now. I need to get through this move. They know me, now. They have my resume. If I don't get the job I plan on asking them what I should be on the lookout for that would fit me better.
While I see this logic
I would almost certainly melt. I would either get so invested in getting the job again that rejection would shatter me. Or the thought of even looking at my CV again will just destroy my confidence again ten fold.
No. I'm good where I am. Until the automation removes me completely.
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Regardless of whether you get this job or not, CONGRATULATIONS. You're better and more practiced at interviewing for having done it. Even if you have to interview for other jobs, I think you'll be more comfortable and confident when you have them. Hopefully, you also feel better about your ability to get these kinds of jobs that are a lot different from what you do now. If it were me, I'd apply to more jobs and not just wait around to hear back from this one.
It was like pulling teeth.... but I finally got a straight answer from about MY bathroom breaks. tl;dr all of my time AFK (besides lunch) is seen as one "pool" and I'm supposed to only use 30 minutes a day.
They were giving me vague warnings because I was taking two 15 minute breaks like everyone else will not realizing that pee breaks are the same "resource."
The full FMLA has been accepted. Final Notice rescinded.
Get fucked, suit ghouls.
Did the lawyers have to get involved or did they figure it out on their own?
if a job interviewer asks some version of "where do you see yourself in 5 years," i have assumed that what they definitely don't want to hear is that you're planning to have moved on from the job by then. They want to hear that you're in it for the long-haul and if anything you hope that you've moved up to a higher position with them
rule of thumb, is that a good assumption to make?
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And then look around their office: assessing, planning.
To which I told the boss "well the average tenure for the position is less than 4 years so I think that's a reasonable statement"
Anyways I'm on year 3 this month.
Just turn a completely arrogant answer into one about your ambitions and team spirit.
I moved 128 full shelves of books. Ugh.
I appreciate it. I dunno if I feel like I've changed any but at least with regards to this whole job thing spite is a hell of a motivator.
Put it back on them if they can't provide basic healthy working environment.
I'd like to be in a creative role with a supportive team, and having gained substantial experience with the product so I can work independently and contribute with my x y z skillset yada yada yada
They don't want you to bail out, they want to know what your general career goals are and that they mesh with the listed position
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Presumably something between them and Lincoln Financial.
Prior to today, we were waiting for Lincoln to send new FMLA paperwork over to take to the doctor cause, she was approved for continous, but she needed intermittent (since she called of the 10th, worked the 11th and 12th, then was sent home the 13th and 14th).
I would assume somebody with half a brain went "She's out of the probation period in a month so the notice is pointless, she WILL get these days approved, just fucking drop it."
What bullshit.
As someone who does office work directly with our service guys, the best ones are the ones that actually did the job for a few years. Your skills and experience are a HUGE asset to that kind of role.
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It would probably be a waste to go to an actual doctor and not take another sick day just to be safe, yeah?
Smart Alec: Uh, I dunno, in my crystal ball, I guess!!
Manager: Hm. *nodnod*
I can see the value of it if you're hiring with hopes to hire someone to replace a soon-to-be-retired asset, or if it is a role that takes a few years to really learn
Maybe less vital in private industry jobs with higher turnover rates though
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I think the answer is generally something like “having mastered X and growing into Y.” Or “I see myself as a leader” or “ I see myself as a strong individual contributor owning core responsibility for <insert vague thing>”.
I think it’s a weird kind of fit/ ambition question
I've, apparently, really impressed some people I was interviewing for by saying my 5 year plan was to become "the guy" for whatever technical area/unit I was assigned to, in the sense of "oh, you've got a problem with X? Milski's the X guy, he'll know the answer."
With most interview questions, I feel it's designed to verify if you have any sort of logical thought in your head or if it's nothing but hot air and marketing spin
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A certain amount of interviews is knowing how to tell the people there what they want to hear. You don't say that in 5 years you'll be out of this job, you say in 5 years you'll be a supervisor or team lead or some shit. If you only spend a year at that company, it's not like you lied, your plans just changed.
Interviewer, breathlessly: "Is it me?"
"You're goddamn right it's you. Hire me and our children will drink water like the kings of old."
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"I see myself celebrating the 5-year anniversary of you asking me that question."
--Alternatively--
"I took far too much Soviet history in school to ever put together a 5-year plan."
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