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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    The last few elections have been spurred by spite more than any other motivator, and despite all their best efforts they just can't make people hate Biden enough to get the vote out.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Lmao this class action lawsuit against Facebook could pay out $8.33 if my math is right, but I'll take it

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    I have never been more uncertain/dismissive of the merits of electorialism than I am right now. I absolutely 100 percent feel that any chance for a better future lies in direct action and mutual aid.

    But even still I have this almost reptillian-level twinge in my brain that screams things like, "You live in Pennsylvania!" and "If you don't vote then the Republican will win the state by literally one vote and it will be your own personal fault that they became president and you will feel like shit!"

    And I hate it because I know the Democrats are counting on that kind of fear and I am absolutely rewarding their bullshit every time I vote for president. I just justify it to myself by making sure that voting only makes up a tiny part of my political action.

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  • CelloCello Registered User regular
    Lmao this class action lawsuit against Facebook could pay out $8.33 if my math is right, but I'll take it

    Hey that's 8.33 American

    I could make a whopping 10 Canadian dollars on this!!

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular


    Get ready for inappropriate weird laughter and word salad that sounds like she just got kicked in the head by a horse.

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »


    Get ready for inappropriate weird laughter and word salad that sounds like she just got kicked in the head by a horse.


    VP HARRIS: "I think it's very important [...] for us at every moment in time & certainly this one, to see the moment in time in which we exist & are present & to be able to contextualize it — to understand where we exist in the history and in the moment — as it relates not only to the past but the future."

    And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!

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  • agoajagoaj Top Tier One FearRegistered User regular
    She has pioneered the power of AI generated political speeches and everyone else is caught playing catch up.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Harris is a truly impressively terrible politician

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    facetious wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »

    Today I was informed that because of a complaint filed by David Begley, I am under official investigation for a conflict of interest for standing for trans rights.

    My colleagues stood up offering support, but I don't need their words. I need their vote.

    Nebraska State Senator accused of having a conflict of interest in her opposition to anti-trans bills because she has a trans child


    Montana State Rep. Zooey Zephyr (D) ahead of vote to bar her from the state House for the rest of the session:

    “I have had friends who have taken their lives because of these bills ... When I rose up and said, 'There is blood on your hands,' I was not being hyperbolic.”

    68-32: The Montana House votes along party lines to censure State Rep. Zooey Zephyr (D), barring her from the state House for the rest of the legislative session. She can vote remotely, but will not be allowed to speak on any bills.

    Montana Republicans punished State Rep. Zephyr (D) for what the GOP said were breaches of House decorum.

    On Monday, Zephyr raised her microphone in support of protesters chanting “Let her speak!” after the Republican Speaker refused to acknowledge Zephyr.

    https://dailymontanan.com/2023/04/26/montana-house-votes-to-discipline-rep-zephyr-ban-from-floor-agenda/

    Watch Montana State Rep. Zooey Zephyr’s (D) full speech ahead of the censure vote that barred her from the state House for the rest of the session.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQyE9XJZIBk

    Its insane that state GOP are literally banning political speech they disagree with and this isn't roiling the country?

    So I mean ironically this is the sort of rhetoric that the GOP uses to rile up their base. Banning hate speech, expecting people to respect pronouns, protesting against bigots being given public speaking opportunities, etc. are all spun as the left "banning free spech".

    Part of the problem is that neither the Democratic party, nor mainstream media, is willing to call the GOP what they are: fascists. And any time someone uses that word - or, hell, even far less loaded terms - to describe them, they get written off as a crazy leftist.

    This is, for what it's worth, precisely why the Democrats merely being the better of two evils/functionally conservative compared to the outright fascist GOP, is not enough to fight back against this. They're more interested in maintaining politeness and status quo than actually rooting out this evil.

    The problem goes deeper than just political parties - we live in a society where the expectation is that fascist positions are treated as legitimate, and that their speakers should not face consequences for holding them. In fact, the argument is that we have to defend the fascists and bigots otherwise we will have our own free speech eroded - a position that has resulted in the chilling of the lives of those targeted.

    This is why I am a big believer in tolerance as a peace treaty - it counters the argument that we are obliged to tolerate bigots and fascists by noting that those who foreswear the obligations of tolerance also foreswear its protections.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    agoaj wrote: »
    She has pioneered the power of AI generated political speeches and everyone else is caught playing catch up.

    It strikes me as someone desperately trying to pad out a freshman essay, maybe earnestly, and not realizing they said the same idea three different ways in the same paragraph without even realizing that repetition is not elaboration

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Harris is a truly impressively terrible politician

    What kills me is that she was genuinely good at grilling people in the Senate.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    facetious wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »

    Today I was informed that because of a complaint filed by David Begley, I am under official investigation for a conflict of interest for standing for trans rights.

    My colleagues stood up offering support, but I don't need their words. I need their vote.

    Nebraska State Senator accused of having a conflict of interest in her opposition to anti-trans bills because she has a trans child


    Montana State Rep. Zooey Zephyr (D) ahead of vote to bar her from the state House for the rest of the session:

    “I have had friends who have taken their lives because of these bills ... When I rose up and said, 'There is blood on your hands,' I was not being hyperbolic.”

    68-32: The Montana House votes along party lines to censure State Rep. Zooey Zephyr (D), barring her from the state House for the rest of the legislative session. She can vote remotely, but will not be allowed to speak on any bills.

    Montana Republicans punished State Rep. Zephyr (D) for what the GOP said were breaches of House decorum.

    On Monday, Zephyr raised her microphone in support of protesters chanting “Let her speak!” after the Republican Speaker refused to acknowledge Zephyr.

    https://dailymontanan.com/2023/04/26/montana-house-votes-to-discipline-rep-zephyr-ban-from-floor-agenda/

    Watch Montana State Rep. Zooey Zephyr’s (D) full speech ahead of the censure vote that barred her from the state House for the rest of the session.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQyE9XJZIBk

    Its insane that state GOP are literally banning political speech they disagree with and this isn't roiling the country?

    So I mean ironically this is the sort of rhetoric that the GOP uses to rile up their base. Banning hate speech, expecting people to respect pronouns, protesting against bigots being given public speaking opportunities, etc. are all spun as the left "banning free spech".

    Part of the problem is that neither the Democratic party, nor mainstream media, is willing to call the GOP what they are: fascists. And any time someone uses that word - or, hell, even far less loaded terms - to describe them, they get written off as a crazy leftist.

    This is, for what it's worth, precisely why the Democrats merely being the better of two evils/functionally conservative compared to the outright fascist GOP, is not enough to fight back against this. They're more interested in maintaining politeness and status quo than actually rooting out this evil.

    The problem goes deeper than just political parties - we live in a society where the expectation is that fascist positions are treated as legitimate, and that their speakers should not face consequences for holding them. In fact, the argument is that we have to defend the fascists and bigots otherwise we will have our own free speech eroded - a position that has resulted in the chilling of the lives of those targeted.

    This is why I am a big believer in tolerance as a peace treaty - it counters the argument that we are obliged to tolerate bigots and fascists by noting that those who foreswear the obligations of tolerance also foreswear its protections.
    If in the beginning, when the Hitler bands were still weak, the workers' parties had answered them blow for blow, there is no doubt their development would have been hampered. On this point we have the testimony of the National Socialist leaders themselves.

    Hitler confessed in retrospect: Only one thing could have broken our movement — if the adversary had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed, with the most extreme brutality, the nucleus of our new movement."

    And Goebbels: "If the enemy had known how weak we were, it would probably have reduced us to jelly ... It would have crushed in blood the very beginning of our work."

    For more direct reference, the fuckshit’s original quote:
    And so, I established in 1919 a programme and tendency that was a conscious slap in the face of the democratic-pacifist world. [We knew] it might take five or ten or twenty years, yet gradually an authoritarian state arose within the democratic state, and a nucleus of fanatical devotion and ruthless determination formed in a wretched world that lacked basic convictions.

    Only one danger could have jeopardised this development — if our adversaries had understood its principle, established a clear understanding of our ideas, and not offered any resistance. Or, alternatively, if they had from the first day annihilated with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement

    Never, ever give fascists an inch, by any means, for any reason. As Hedge noted, there is no tolerance with them, they will show no mercy and they will only spread misery and cruelty in their quest for power.

    Smash. Nazis.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    Ladai wrote: »
    I have never been more uncertain/dismissive of the merits of electorialism than I am right now. I absolutely 100 percent feel that any chance for a better future lies in direct action and mutual aid.

    But even still I have this almost reptillian-level twinge in my brain that screams things like, "You live in Pennsylvania!" and "If you don't vote then the Republican will win the state by literally one vote and it will be your own personal fault that they became president and you will feel like shit!"

    And I hate it because I know the Democrats are counting on that kind of fear and I am absolutely rewarding their bullshit every time I vote for president. I just justify it to myself by making sure that voting only makes up a tiny part of my political action.

    Duck first past the post voting. I hate being hamstrung. We almost got tiered(?) voting here in oregon last election, failed to pass just by a handful of percent. Hoping it’s on the ballot again next time.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular

    New Interview: I talked to Senator Debbie Stabenow about why she believes sexism is behind calls for Dianne Feinstein to resign, how much the personal wishes of public officials should matter, and Senator Feinstein’s mental state.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/is-it-sexist-to-want-dianne-feinstein-to-retire

    We are ruled by a collection of petty, useless narcissists who cannot perceive of anything outside of their own most exclusive Potomac country club.
    But we know they’re not going to do that, right? The Republicans are not going to help Democrats.

    Well, I know, but that doesn’t mean it’s right.

    Of course not.

    It’s like we assume that all the bad stuff they do is O.K. You know what I mean? It’s like, well, we know they’re going to be bad. The reason I’m saying that is that if there was someone new who came in and needed committee assignments, do we know if they would be seated? The reality is that we need Senator Feinstein to be back with us, and she wants to be back with us. So, rather than people disrespecting her right now, I would prefer that they were wishing her well and rooting her on to be back with us, which is what she wants.




    About a decade ago, there was a big debate about whether Ruth Bader Ginsburg should resign. There were a lot of charges of sexism—that this would not have been said about a male Supreme Court Justice. How did you feel about that at the time, and, in hindsight, do you look at that any different?

    Well, I thought it was looking forward in terms of the Court. Whether it was a male or female Justice, that was something that people were concerned about. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was . . . there aren’t words to describe how amazing she was and the impact she had. I know some people felt that was sexist. From my perspective, given the fragility of the Court, and the majority, and everything at stake, that was something that I know she looked at and, I think, was certainly something worth discussing. But, again, I would prefer that those kinds of things be private.

    What should be private?

    would prefer not to have public calls for people to step down. I don’t think that was helpful with Justice Ginsburg. I would prefer those be conversations—Senator Feinstein is not running again. She resigned. When you asked how I feel about that, for me it’s more about how women are treated publicly, not whether or not it’s legitimate to have that conversation.

    You know what I mean? I think it’s very legitimate to have the conversation. I’ve had that conversation with federal judges in Michigan who are eligible for senior status. Me saying, “Hey, right now we’ve got a Democratic President, a Democratic Senate—you should consider that when deciding whether or not to take senior status.”



    You said that you didn’t want public calls, and that it should be more of a private thing. But these are incredibly important public roles. I’m a little wary of saying that holding these jobs is a personal matter. Actually, the most important thing is that you’re one of a hundred or one of nine, and you need to think of yourself that way.

    I appreciate what you’re saying. It’s not like somebody owns that seat or should be able to just think of themselves. I understand what you’re saying. But for me, with male colleagues, it’s been private conversations. With Dianne, it’s been very public. That’s all I’m saying. That’s where the antenna goes. It’s not just for me but for other women in the Senate.

    You think that’s not because it’s an evenly divided Judiciary Committee with a Democratic President trying to get appointments through?

    Well, I wouldn’t say, I mean, I don’t know. I appreciate the evenly divided Senate, of course. I wouldn’t say this is just sexist. I think that obviously there are serious issues here. But how it’s done in terms of public versus private conversations is what causes me to be concerned. With male-colleague concerns raised at various times in either party, because of respect for the colleague, it’s done in private.

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Democrats don't want to win and don't want to rule.

    It's the only conclusion I can come to after three decades of this trash.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Democrats don't want to win and don't want to rule.

    It's the only conclusion I can come to after three decades of this trash.


    lot to grab in here of course but imo this bit at the end - "I'm not interested in further analyzing this" is a small thing that i think says an awful lot about not just stabenow but dem seniority in general

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    like of course there's the matter of "she admit it!" with "guess what, other people in the senate can't do their jobs either", but "I'm not interested in further analyzing this" - they don't want to deal with this problem, they don't even want to *talk* about this problem

    just "shut up, stop talking about this, stop asking us about this, we don't want to deal with it or talk about it, just let it ride like we always do". more neo aristocracy shit.


    the problem for them isn't that they can't get their agenda done, that they can't judges confirmed, the problem in their eyes is you're being insufficiently deferential to them and upsetting their usual routine, that you're asking them to break Court Etiquette in public

    again for me a lot of this really clicks if you see a lot of senior dems as basically operating under country club rules. sure, they do corrupt shit to protect their class interests, but they *also* are petty and vain and self-centered

    it's that big divide between dems and GOP for me in a lot of these things - yes, sure, both side with corporations, both are corrupt. but GOP are corrupt with an eye on permanent power for themselves, and dems are corrupt with an eye on personal comfort, vanity, ego

    DiFi herself of course a fantastic example of this when her response to when a bunch of kids mildly went "could you maybe care about our future a little?" was a lot of "Do you know who I *am*?" and "You little shits can't even vote for me, fuck off."

    like sure, feinstein is corrupt! look at her dealings with PG&E, just for starters. but she, and a bunch of other dems, aren't *ruthlessly* corrupt, aren't *smart* corrupt, aren't corrupt in a way that builds their own longterm power. much more goes towards vanity and ego.

    this, earlier in the interview, also captures it. absolutely nothing to do with what dems can do or should be doing, just grumbling about hurt feelings and how the citizens 'should' be talking about their elected officials

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    chotiner with the 'thoughts and prayers' bit and stabenow just nods her head at it. lmao

    oh my god i just got it. stabenow wants everybody to be the krassensteins for feinstein, and indeed, all of dem seniority

    Abolish the Senate

    Lanz on
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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    How does Debbie Stabenow not realize you don’t do interviews with Isaac Chotiner

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    How does Debbie Stabenow not realize you don’t do interviews with Isaac Chotiner

    Aristocratic brain rot

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    How does Debbie Stabenow not realize you don’t do interviews with Isaac Chotiner

    Aristocratic brain rot

    That’s his target mark lol

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  • pookapooka Registered User regular
    Hunh.

    I have a relative, my mom's cousin out in Georgia, who had gone to the dark side, like, blocked my sister on facebook for countering talking points and memes.
    I was able to sneak in some corrections, mostly to masking & covid misinformation, and she actually admitted to being overwhelmed and frightened by the firehose of stimuli, and thanked me for clarifying.

    I'm gonna put that difference down to my sister being an engineer and going full, "Listen to the facts!" inundation on her more consistently, whereas I was aiming for the soft touch foremost, to remain a point of contrast in her life. My sister is typically very kind and diplomatic, but she is both an educator & inflamed by bullies, so she's inclined to counter harmful bullshit with a thoroughness that can offput those unprepared for her intensity. I'm willing to be more sneaky. Yes, I am an advocate for the devil; except the devil is actually humanistic policies rather than the strawman of Evil.
    Which sucks, because she had not seemed a cruel or thoughtless person, just... a product of her environment. That middle ground of folks who are open-hearted in practice but have unexamined belief systems, prejudices, and expectations that rear their head when invoked by more hateful manipulations. It says something that her daughters would push back, but lovingly; she wasn't a toxic person finally showing her true self, just in pain, ignorant, and misled by bad actors.

    I'm not on social media outside the forums very often; I try to check facebook once or twice a month, and scroll through my feed after some occasional search lands me there.

    So I just didn't engage with her posts very often, but for a time there, it was a tossup on something egregious, or a fuzzy teddy bear mom kind of meme pablum.

    I am befuddled, after initially parsing this as supportive of drag queens.
    People had no problems with adults consuming dr g-qu e n entertainment before they brought children into it.

    Think about it. No one hates them. They just love our children and want them to have an innocent childhood. I thought everybody did but as it turns out, that is not the case. I'm speaking up while I still can.
    Is the 'they' drag performers, or legislators trying to slowroll outlaw quiltbag folks on the premise of awareness of sexuality being inherently harmful?

    I'm guessing the latter, and really, my best lead-in for this argument is going to be my confusion, since nothing about quiltbag folks as an identity is damaging to innocence...

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    I had no info on Stabenow, outside of "senator". Reading that, then checking the ol Google, I was within 2 years on guessing her age.

    Loved to be ruled by selfish, power hungry retirement home residents.

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    yeah bit hard to parse but that sounds like anti-drag, anti-trans rhetoric, confused (somewhat ironically) by an overuse of non-gendered pronouns.

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    They want to keep their positions

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    Stabenow isn't going to run next year, and we've got a lot of promising options to become corrupted by replacing her.

  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    webguy20 wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    I have never been more uncertain/dismissive of the merits of electorialism than I am right now. I absolutely 100 percent feel that any chance for a better future lies in direct action and mutual aid.

    But even still I have this almost reptillian-level twinge in my brain that screams things like, "You live in Pennsylvania!" and "If you don't vote then the Republican will win the state by literally one vote and it will be your own personal fault that they became president and you will feel like shit!"

    And I hate it because I know the Democrats are counting on that kind of fear and I am absolutely rewarding their bullshit every time I vote for president. I just justify it to myself by making sure that voting only makes up a tiny part of my political action.

    Duck first past the post voting. I hate being hamstrung. We almost got tiered(?) voting here in oregon last election, failed to pass just by a handful of percent. Hoping it’s on the ballot again next time.

    Ranked choice voting is one of those things I want to see happen because not only does it have a shot at passing, but it probably would solve some of the dysfunction in our political system. I don't just see that as a means to help people feel that they are being listened to because let's be honest, even if one's candidates doesn't make it to the final two. If they get enough votes, it makes it harder to write off their positions; especially, if it's shown that other candidates that do well also hold some the more popular ones. It probably would do a number on some of the bullshit polarization and radicalization because some of the fuckers pushing that nonsense wouldn't be able to claim that a majority tots supports their positions, if say you get a dynamic where it's easy to show that a super majority of voters were backing candidates completely opposed to a shitty position and that could kill some of the false mandate shit the right gets up to.

    The other things I want to see are:

    -Getting money the fuck out of politics.

    -Forcing politicians to have to cut a bunch of their conflicts of interest. I don't want my elected officials to own stocks or companies because that creates a huge conflict of interest and most people that are able to get into elected politics, have shown they often have personality traits that ensure they'll easily dip into the corruption problem. With some eagerly doing it. Same deal for judges well, who also seem to have similar issues.

    -Expanding the court and getting rid of the horseshit where their is an incentive to put the youngest person you can on the bench. I feel like their is an argument to be made that lifetime doesn't necessarily mean till one dies and we really should have a set duration for judgeships and for SCOTUS is should be a limit of one term in most causes. Maybe an exception made if they are filling out a vacated seat and the remainder of the term for it is really short.

    -Expand the size of congress.

    -Kill the electoral college.

    -If it's every possible, I'd love to do away with the Senate. It's not just undemocratic, it's actively a problem.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    webguy20 wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    I have never been more uncertain/dismissive of the merits of electorialism than I am right now. I absolutely 100 percent feel that any chance for a better future lies in direct action and mutual aid.

    But even still I have this almost reptillian-level twinge in my brain that screams things like, "You live in Pennsylvania!" and "If you don't vote then the Republican will win the state by literally one vote and it will be your own personal fault that they became president and you will feel like shit!"

    And I hate it because I know the Democrats are counting on that kind of fear and I am absolutely rewarding their bullshit every time I vote for president. I just justify it to myself by making sure that voting only makes up a tiny part of my political action.

    Duck first past the post voting. I hate being hamstrung. We almost got tiered(?) voting here in oregon last election, failed to pass just by a handful of percent. Hoping it’s on the ballot again next time.

    Ranked choice voting is one of those things I want to see happen because not only does it have a shot at passing, but it probably would solve some of the dysfunction in our political system. I don't just see that as a means to help people feel that they are being listened to because let's be honest, even if one's candidates doesn't make it to the final two. If they get enough votes, it makes it harder to write off their positions; especially, if it's shown that other candidates that do well also hold some the more popular ones. It probably would do a number on some of the bullshit polarization and radicalization because some of the fuckers pushing that nonsense wouldn't be able to claim that a majority tots supports their positions, if say you get a dynamic where it's easy to show that a super majority of voters were backing candidates completely opposed to a shitty position and that could kill some of the false mandate shit the right gets up to.

    The other things I want to see are:

    -Getting money the fuck out of politics.

    -Forcing politicians to have to cut a bunch of their conflicts of interest. I don't want my elected officials to own stocks or companies because that creates a huge conflict of interest and most people that are able to get into elected politics, have shown they often have personality traits that ensure they'll easily dip into the corruption problem. With some eagerly doing it. Same deal for judges well, who also seem to have similar issues.

    -Expanding the court and getting rid of the horseshit where their is an incentive to put the youngest person you can on the bench. I feel like their is an argument to be made that lifetime doesn't necessarily mean till one dies and we really should have a set duration for judgeships and for SCOTUS is should be a limit of one term in most causes. Maybe an exception made if they are filling out a vacated seat and the remainder of the term for it is really short.

    -Expand the size of congress.

    -Kill the electoral college.

    -If it's every possible, I'd love to do away with the Senate. It's not just undemocratic, it's actively a problem.

    Reminder that, according to Madison, part of the reason we have the senate is to be a bulwark against economic equity between the gentry and the general populace
    A necessary fence agst. this danger would be to select a portion of enlightened citizens, whose limited number, and firmness might seasonably interpose agst. impetuous counsels. It ought finally to occur to a people deliberating on a Govt. for themselves, that as different interests necessarily result from the liberty meant to be secured, the major interest might under sudden impulses be tempted to commit injustice on the minority. In all civilized Countries the people fall into different classes havg. a real or supposed difference of interests. There will be creditors & debtors, farmers, merchts. & manufacturers. There will be particularly the distinction of rich & poor. It was true as had been observd. (by Mr. Pinkney) we had not among us those hereditary distinctions, of rank which were a great source of the contests in the ancient Govts. as well as the modern States of Europe, nor those extremes of wealth or poverty which characterize the latter. We cannot however be regarded even at this time, as one homogeneous mass, in which every thing that affects a part will affect in the same manner the whole. In framing a system which we wish to last for ages, we shd. not lose sight of the changes which ages will produce. An increase of population will of necessity increase the proportion of those who will labour under all the hardships of life, & secretly sigh for a more equal distribution of its blessings. These may in time outnumber those who are placed above the feelings of indigence. According to the equal laws of suffrage, the power will slide into the hands of the former. No agrarian attempts have yet been made in this Country, but symtoms, of a leveling spirit, as we have understood, have sufficiently appeared in a certain quarters to give notice of the future danger. How is this danger to be guarded agst. on republican principles? How is the danger in all cases of interested coalitions to oppress the minority to be guarded agst.? Among other means by the establishment of a body in the Govt. sufficiently respectable for its wisdom & virtue, to aid on such emergences, the preponderance of justice by throwing its weight into that scale.

    Fuckin’ White Supremacist Slaver Colony State.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular

    elon basically posts like he's been holding his breath for 5 minutes but the idea I think he's getting across here is pretty illuminating for what drives the dreaded Nerd Fascist

    ingroup/outgroup obsession is a real recurring issue for these people! and unlike many of his peers he's too self-involved and ignorant to find some other way to get at that point.

    he just blurts it out like it's a foregone conclusion anybody would agree with that it's *bad* LGBT people are liked and have a cultural space that isn't necessarily for people like him

    can't find the post but someone tweeted today about yet another right wing personality having a past as a shitty rapper. it's almost a requirement for gen x and younger white nationalist personalities.

    no greater enemy to black culture than the white guy who tried and failed to appropriate it. Tried to get with the ingroup, it didn't pan out, time to burn the ingroup down entirely.

    these people all have their supervillain origin stories, but they're never the sympathetic victims at any point. Yeah, Elon got pushed down the stairs at school, but it's because he talked shit about some kid's parent dying. He got his, and came out the other side Like This

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    you know it's a cool club if elon is excluded

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    you know it's a cool club if elon is excluded

    Definitely the first step.

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  • MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    So, I'm hearing something about " bluesky" ? What? Invite only?

    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
  • MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    webguy20 wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    I have never been more uncertain/dismissive of the merits of electorialism than I am right now. I absolutely 100 percent feel that any chance for a better future lies in direct action and mutual aid.

    But even still I have this almost reptillian-level twinge in my brain that screams things like, "You live in Pennsylvania!" and "If you don't vote then the Republican will win the state by literally one vote and it will be your own personal fault that they became president and you will feel like shit!"

    And I hate it because I know the Democrats are counting on that kind of fear and I am absolutely rewarding their bullshit every time I vote for president. I just justify it to myself by making sure that voting only makes up a tiny part of my political action.

    Duck first past the post voting. I hate being hamstrung. We almost got tiered(?) voting here in oregon last election, failed to pass just by a handful of percent. Hoping it’s on the ballot again next time.

    Ranked choice voting is one of those things I want to see happen because not only does it have a shot at passing, but it probably would solve some of the dysfunction in our political system. (-snip-)
    Ranked choice worked really poorly in the last nyc mayoral election. People still only voted for their favorite, and left the rest blank.
    I'd love it if it actually worked, but I don't think people want to understand it, so they refuse to learn.

    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    Bluesky is this week’s “heavily word-of-mouth-promoted alternative to Twitter that looks promising until you start reading the fine print”


    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    When do we come to the conclusion we don't need a twitter replacement because inevitably it too will suck and be run by shit bags?

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    My son is being an emotional terrorist with Pokemon names. My wife gets to be a cool fire crocadile, me a Lachonk, this dagger.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    some pushback from the Bluesky people. Obviously it's corporate-speak.



    I dunno, I've been noticing some of the people I follow talking about being on it, so I expect they'll keep talking about how bad or good it ends up being. Also since it's invite-based I doubt I'll have to make that decision for a while.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    Le chonk is pretty sweet actually

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    There is some amusement to me that people are posting on twitter to talk about other social media sites.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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