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I have an ex-boyfriend who's being very troublesome in this regard. We didn't go out for long, and he kept sending me e-mails and phoning me and whatnot after we broke up. When one of my friends told him I was moving, and to where I was moving, he sent me a long two page letter about his love for me and how he would reclaim what was his and other creepy bullshit.
He has been also calling my friends to 'put in a good word for him', and showing up at places where I hang around Toronto. Turns out he has a brother who lives very close to me, so he claims he is visiting his brother, but that seems unlikely because why isn't he with his brother if that's the case
For emails, you can always block his address. For your cell phone and land-line phone, I'm pretty sure that you can have his number blocked as well.
If it becomes threatening or if he starts following you around and such then it is time to take it to the authorities.
As a happier aside: how's the prom stuff going?
Yes, he sent the letter to my new place. I'm fairly sure he got it from one of my friends.
I've blocked his e-mail address. He keeps making new ones. He also doesn't own a cellphone, he calls from his friends' places, payphones, libraries, etc.
He's been popping up in the place where I eat lunch with my friends, the local library, the drug store, in a lot of places in the past week and it's getting very nervewracking.
Prom is primed to go perfectly tomorrow! I am very excited, thanks
Are you afraid for your safety? If you are you might be able to get a restraining order with that creepy letter, and consider inviting a friend over to stay with you until the situation stops.
Have you responded to any of his attempts to contact you? If he's not getting the hint to leave you alone, you might try telling him over the phone/through e-mail that he is acting way out of line and it needs to stop. Tell him your going to get a restraining order if he doesn't leave you alone, and there is no chance that you two will ever get back together.
Edit: I didn't realize you were in highschool.
Tell your family about it if you haven't already, tell the boy to knock if off and if he doesn't go tell someone at your school the situation and tell his parents about whats going on. If that doesn't work, or the stalking gets worse than go for a restraining order.
Have you told him flat out that what he's doing is making you uncomfortable, you don't want him to call or write you, and that you'd rather not see him around? That is definitely step #1.
Also, make sure your friends know how you feel. You didn't specify whether you have mutual friends, but even if your friends are friends with him, they should discourage that kind of behavior if they're made aware of it. In fact, if he shows up and says "Hi!" while you and your friends are eating lunch, your friends should be outright hostile.
Note that for public places (a library, a drug store) it could be a coincidence. It's obvious the guy is a creep, but I'd be careful about jumping to the conclusion that he is shadowing you around town or anything.
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He wants contact so don't give him any. Never ever respond to him in any way at all. you hear his voice on the other line, hang up. See an email from him, delete it without reading. No talks, no meetings, no hanging out with him nearby, no giving him a piece of your mind. No having a friend relay a message. nothing. ZERO CONTACT. And if you feel at all threatened, contact the police ASAP. Many people have been seriously hurt or killed by crazy ex's. Be careful.
And if you haven't done so, tear the "friend" that gave out your info a new asshole. If they take his side, well you need a new friend.
There's no sense drawing things out. Any reasonable person would have "gotten it" by now, and it's unlikely you'll be able to convince him to suddenly become reasonable by repeating your feelings to him one more time or giving him the silent treatment.
His behavior is unacceptable, and you should get a restraining order as soon as possible.
Hopefully that'll shock some sense into him. If not, then things are probably going to be difficult.
When he "shows up", what does he do? Does he harass you and try to talk to you, or does he just sit in the corner? If all he does is sit in the corner drinking coffee, then I'm afraid you don't have much legal ground to work with. It is, after all, a free country, and he can go where he pleases.
BUT... The moment he crosses that line and starts harassing you or making any threats (even implied), now you have the legal firepower to get a restraining order and possibly even press charges.
I need more details... What does he do when he shows up? Also, what state do you live in?
Okay, so I just looked up restraining orders in Canada and it looks like the law is similar there as it is in the US.
So first off follow Vrtra's advice. You need to unambiguously tell him that you want no further contact with him.
Second, keep a detailed record of all contact, direct and indirect. This includes attempts to have friends relay messages, or simply 'showing up' at public places. You'll want times, dates, and the contents of any contact.
Keep anything he sends you. If he sends you an email, print it out. Keep any letters he sends you.
Put all these records in a folder and try to get your friends and family to contribute, too. The more evidence you have, the better.
Then go to the police. If you don't want to get the police involved, the Ontario Assaulted Women's Helpline (1-866-863-0511) should be able to refer you to legal services who can help you file a restraining order.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Yea, if he's following you around then it's time to take it up a step or two.
Talk to your folks about it and call the local police department. Ask to speak with someone regarding what's going on and just explain it all and how it's making you feel. They'll give you your options and may go have a chat with the young fellow.
Keeping a record is way important. It's good if you have friends who can back you up. If your mom doesn't know about it yet, you should probably discuss this with her so she knows to keep an eye out for stuff around your house too.
If you know his name, and he's been using the telephone to contact you repeatedly, this immediately falls into harrassment and the police will deal with it. It's not a huge move like a restraining order or anything, they just get a hold of him (and his parents if he's at home) and let him know that such a thing is quite uncool, and that there are punishments for continuing to do so. A mild but highly effective PFO, and a step in 'writing' (not your writing, but an official file somewhere) if a restraining order becomes needed.
No need to be embarrassed about calling the police, these sorts of things are very routine, and they will be happy to help you out. Hell, this is something they do to annoying telemarketers; they generally have a person set up to just do this kind of thing, and you've now put up with more BS from this guy than many many other people who make use of this service. I'm sure they would far rather have a chat now than get a desperate call in the middle of the night.
Also, you might want to reanalyze what kind of friends you are sharing information with if they dime you out to a creepy dude. At least have a talk with em.
Here is a reference to the Canadian criminal code regarding harassment. It is written for youths and is slightly outdated, but it puts everything into wording that lays everything in in easy to understand sections based on common questions. Everyone has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Tell him in no uncertain terms that he is to stop bothering you and you will get the RCMP involved if he doesn't stop. Keep every email, letter, gift, or phone record you have, and hand it over to the authorities and be sure to tell them you find his behaviour distressing and you are afraid, especially since he followed you after you moved, that he might escalate his behaviour. If he doesn't stop, get a restraining order (peace bond?) so it is easier to get the police to come right away if he continues.
Also, you might want to reanalyze what kind of friends you are sharing information with if they dime you out to a creepy dude. At least have a talk with em.
I'm pretty sure I know who did it, and I plan to talk to her. She's very nice, but mindnumbingly lacking in common sense.
Thanks for the advice, all. I'll talk to the police tonight - won't hurt to make a call.
Talk to the police? Not nearly enough information for that yet. Have you told this guy to leave you alone, very bluntly? If not, I'd start with that. Maybe alert your friends to the matter - they seem to be helping this guy more than you. After those, I'd just ignore him for a week, and if it stays bad, then yeah, then go to authorities.
Chemical castration. Seriously, though, it sounds like this was his first break-up or something and he's just not dealing with it very well. I'd get in contact with his parents and/or neutral friends and have them intervene - he needs to be aware that this behavior is highly abnormal and embarrassing.
To clarify, yes I've told this person to leave me alone, very bluntly. More than a few times. A lot of the harassment started after that, starting with "Well, can we be friends at least" and building up to "You stupid bitch, I'm the best thing that ever happened to you."
So I am more than a little concerned, and I think contacting the police quickly would be wise now that he's actually physically showing up. I just thought they didn't handle things like this.
They do handle things like this and you do actually have plenty of information and reason to go talk with them about it.
Do so tonight and give yourself a little peace of mind. Worst that they can say is "Nope..not to the point we can do anything. But here's when we can and here's what you can do."
To clarify, yes I've told this person to leave me alone, very bluntly. More than a few times. A lot of the harassment started after that, starting with "Well, can we be friends at least" and building up to "You stupid bitch, I'm the best thing that ever happened to you."
So I am more than a little concerned, and I think contacting the police quickly would be wise now that he's actually physically showing up. I just thought they didn't handle things like this.
building up to "You stupid bitch, I'm the best thing that ever happened to you."
:shock:
Does he have any friends to speak of? Any family that he's close to? They need to be made aware of how unhinged this kid is, for your own good and his. I'd seriously consider a restraining order if he's gone from lovelorn to verbal threats. It's the kind of thing you really don't want escalating any further.
building up to "You stupid bitch, I'm the best thing that ever happened to you."
:shock:
Does he have any friends to speak of? Any family that he's close to? They need to be made aware of how unhinged this kid is, for your own good and his. I'd seriously consider a restraining order if he's gone from lovelorn to verbal threats. It's the kind of thing you really don't want escalating any further.
All I know is his homelife is fairly shitty. I never met his parents. I think his father is dead.
building up to "You stupid bitch, I'm the best thing that ever happened to you."
:shock:
Does he have any friends to speak of? Any family that he's close to? They need to be made aware of how unhinged this kid is, for your own good and his. I'd seriously consider a restraining order if he's gone from lovelorn to verbal threats. It's the kind of thing you really don't want escalating any further.
All I know is his homelife is fairly shitty. I never met his parents. I think his father is dead.
Eh, I guess that would play into his emotional obsession over your former relationship. Interventions work well when you can surround a person with friends and family and force them to own up to a serious problem. If that's not feasible and this behavior persists, I don't see what other avenue you have to make it stop other than the legal one.
Eh, I guess that would play into his emotional obsession over your former relationship. Interventions work well when you can surround a person with friends and family and force them to own up to a serious problem. If that's not feasible and this behavior persists, I don't see what other avenue you have to make it stop other than the legal one.
Fuck that - she ain't his mom, his girl, his guardian, or his keeper. his mental health ain't her problem and she should not be encouraged to make it so. This shit is DEADLY serious. No contact + calling the cops is best, but that is the time when people are most likely to do something bad. Be safe.
At very least contacting the police will create a record of this shit. Even if they don't do anything immediately if they fill out a complaint it's on file. So later if things escalte you have proof that it's continuing. Like if he shows up and harasses you physically or verbally and you just call the cops chances are they'll let it slide. if he does it and there's a record going back of months of continued harassment they'll probably arrest him or get a restraining order.
Also confronting and pushing someone who's unstable already yourself is a BAD IDEA.
Ok not trying to scare you but be very careful and deal with this with proper concern. Have a lot of people as witnesses that you do not approve this appearing where you are at. As everyone mention this take all the evidence you can get, cell phone pictures showing he shows up where you are at, and email archives.
Also for your safety always let someone you know be aware where you will be. If you hang out with your friends tell someone who basically check on you. You never know these day how people will appear as stupid to lunacy. Have someone aware of the situation, especially since prom is coming or may have passed.
Hope you enjoy prom and not let this get to you.
I hate when people do this stalking/psychological break down things to others because they cannot come to realization of situations.
Enjoy that prom!
and you know this forums is here for you when you need more help.
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she ain't his mom, his girl, his guardian, or his keeper.
No, she's his stalker obsession. She didn't ask for it and it sucks to deal with shit like this, but getting this kid permanently out of her life is the goal.
his mental health ain't her problem
Uh, it sounds like it's exactly her problem. This nutjob is stalking her, and his mental/behavioral condition is problematic and potentially dangerous to her. A restraining order (which everyone including myself has recommended) is a reactive solution. Setting into motion some way for this kid to get mental help is a pre-emptive one.
and she should not be encouraged to make it so.
And no one is recommending that she gets directly involved. It's making people around him aware of this problem so that they will take direct action. The reason why I asked about the parents is because they have certain legal abilities that'll force this guy to get help, even if he doesn't want it. In lieu of that, alerting people around him to this behavior will put them on notice, allowing them to force him to get some help, advise him to quit this insane and obsessive behavior or to give the proper parties early warning for even more suspicious behavior.
This shit is DEADLY serious.
I'm not going to mention what I do for a living except to say that I'm around the consequences of stuff like this routinely.
No contact + calling the cops is best
No contact is obvious to everyone and calling the cops won't really do much unless this kid is trespassing or committing some other illegal act. Which is why a restraining order is so important - if he's stalking her with a restraining order against him and he's violating that order, the police can pick him up.
but that is the time when people are most likely to do something bad.
Hmm. See where I'm going with that pre-emptive intervention angle?
Of course, there's a lot of worst-case scenario stuff going on here. The thing is, you can never tell when an individual with an obsessive and/or egomaniacal personality will go from a nuisance to a danger. It's pretty essential that this kid gets psychiatric counseling. Assuming you're in high school, I'd probably bring this to a counselor and have them arrange for this kid to see someone.
No contact is obvious to everyone and calling the cops won't really do much unless this kid is trespassing or committing some other illegal act. Which is why a restraining order is so important - if he's stalking her with a restraining order against him and he's violating that order, the police can pick him up.
Stalking is a criminal offense in Canada.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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Also tell your friends to under no circumstances discuss you around him.
If he asks them about you just get them to say "Cassandra asked me no to talk about her around you".
This will stop his getting random bits of information about you to use for stalking.
But even if you can't get a restraining order yet (though you probably will it will now be on the record) so if other stuff happens it will be easier to get one at a future date.
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Did he send the letter to your new place?
For emails, you can always block his address. For your cell phone and land-line phone, I'm pretty sure that you can have his number blocked as well.
If it becomes threatening or if he starts following you around and such then it is time to take it to the authorities.
As a happier aside: how's the prom stuff going?
Yes, he sent the letter to my new place. I'm fairly sure he got it from one of my friends.
I've blocked his e-mail address. He keeps making new ones. He also doesn't own a cellphone, he calls from his friends' places, payphones, libraries, etc.
He's been popping up in the place where I eat lunch with my friends, the local library, the drug store, in a lot of places in the past week and it's getting very nervewracking.
Have you responded to any of his attempts to contact you? If he's not getting the hint to leave you alone, you might try telling him over the phone/through e-mail that he is acting way out of line and it needs to stop. Tell him your going to get a restraining order if he doesn't leave you alone, and there is no chance that you two will ever get back together.
Edit: I didn't realize you were in highschool.
Tell your family about it if you haven't already, tell the boy to knock if off and if he doesn't go tell someone at your school the situation and tell his parents about whats going on. If that doesn't work, or the stalking gets worse than go for a restraining order.
Also, make sure your friends know how you feel. You didn't specify whether you have mutual friends, but even if your friends are friends with him, they should discourage that kind of behavior if they're made aware of it. In fact, if he shows up and says "Hi!" while you and your friends are eating lunch, your friends should be outright hostile.
Note that for public places (a library, a drug store) it could be a coincidence. It's obvious the guy is a creep, but I'd be careful about jumping to the conclusion that he is shadowing you around town or anything.
And if you haven't done so, tear the "friend" that gave out your info a new asshole. If they take his side, well you need a new friend.
His behavior is unacceptable, and you should get a restraining order as soon as possible.
Hopefully that'll shock some sense into him. If not, then things are probably going to be difficult.
BUT... The moment he crosses that line and starts harassing you or making any threats (even implied), now you have the legal firepower to get a restraining order and possibly even press charges.
I need more details... What does he do when he shows up? Also, what state do you live in?
So first off follow Vrtra's advice. You need to unambiguously tell him that you want no further contact with him.
Second, keep a detailed record of all contact, direct and indirect. This includes attempts to have friends relay messages, or simply 'showing up' at public places. You'll want times, dates, and the contents of any contact.
Keep anything he sends you. If he sends you an email, print it out. Keep any letters he sends you.
Put all these records in a folder and try to get your friends and family to contribute, too. The more evidence you have, the better.
Then go to the police. If you don't want to get the police involved, the Ontario Assaulted Women's Helpline (1-866-863-0511) should be able to refer you to legal services who can help you file a restraining order.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Talk to your folks about it and call the local police department. Ask to speak with someone regarding what's going on and just explain it all and how it's making you feel. They'll give you your options and may go have a chat with the young fellow.
Either way, waiting won't really make it better.
No need to be embarrassed about calling the police, these sorts of things are very routine, and they will be happy to help you out. Hell, this is something they do to annoying telemarketers; they generally have a person set up to just do this kind of thing, and you've now put up with more BS from this guy than many many other people who make use of this service. I'm sure they would far rather have a chat now than get a desperate call in the middle of the night.
Involving the police sends a clear message as well.
Make sure all your friends and your parents know about this, especially good ol' dad.
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I'm pretty sure I know who did it, and I plan to talk to her. She's very nice, but mindnumbingly lacking in common sense.
Thanks for the advice, all. I'll talk to the police tonight - won't hurt to make a call.
Chemical castration. Seriously, though, it sounds like this was his first break-up or something and he's just not dealing with it very well. I'd get in contact with his parents and/or neutral friends and have them intervene - he needs to be aware that this behavior is highly abnormal and embarrassing.
If this kid is any older than 18, call the cops.
So I am more than a little concerned, and I think contacting the police quickly would be wise now that he's actually physically showing up. I just thought they didn't handle things like this.
Do so tonight and give yourself a little peace of mind. Worst that they can say is "Nope..not to the point we can do anything. But here's when we can and here's what you can do."
OK, yeah, call the police.
:shock:
Does he have any friends to speak of? Any family that he's close to? They need to be made aware of how unhinged this kid is, for your own good and his. I'd seriously consider a restraining order if he's gone from lovelorn to verbal threats. It's the kind of thing you really don't want escalating any further.
All I know is his homelife is fairly shitty. I never met his parents. I think his father is dead.
Eh, I guess that would play into his emotional obsession over your former relationship. Interventions work well when you can surround a person with friends and family and force them to own up to a serious problem. If that's not feasible and this behavior persists, I don't see what other avenue you have to make it stop other than the legal one.
Sorry about the crappy situation.
Fuck that - she ain't his mom, his girl, his guardian, or his keeper. his mental health ain't her problem and she should not be encouraged to make it so. This shit is DEADLY serious. No contact + calling the cops is best, but that is the time when people are most likely to do something bad. Be safe.
Very not kidding about deadly. http://news.google.com/news?um=1&tab=wn&hl=en&q=killed%20by%20former%20boyfriend
Be safe.
Also confronting and pushing someone who's unstable already yourself is a BAD IDEA.
Also for your safety always let someone you know be aware where you will be. If you hang out with your friends tell someone who basically check on you. You never know these day how people will appear as stupid to lunacy. Have someone aware of the situation, especially since prom is coming or may have passed.
Hope you enjoy prom and not let this get to you.
I hate when people do this stalking/psychological break down things to others because they cannot come to realization of situations.
Enjoy that prom!
and you know this forums is here for you when you need more help.
― Dr. Seuss, Oh, the Places You'll Go!
Real classy.
No, she's his stalker obsession. She didn't ask for it and it sucks to deal with shit like this, but getting this kid permanently out of her life is the goal.
Uh, it sounds like it's exactly her problem. This nutjob is stalking her, and his mental/behavioral condition is problematic and potentially dangerous to her. A restraining order (which everyone including myself has recommended) is a reactive solution. Setting into motion some way for this kid to get mental help is a pre-emptive one.
And no one is recommending that she gets directly involved. It's making people around him aware of this problem so that they will take direct action. The reason why I asked about the parents is because they have certain legal abilities that'll force this guy to get help, even if he doesn't want it. In lieu of that, alerting people around him to this behavior will put them on notice, allowing them to force him to get some help, advise him to quit this insane and obsessive behavior or to give the proper parties early warning for even more suspicious behavior.
I'm not going to mention what I do for a living except to say that I'm around the consequences of stuff like this routinely.
No contact is obvious to everyone and calling the cops won't really do much unless this kid is trespassing or committing some other illegal act. Which is why a restraining order is so important - if he's stalking her with a restraining order against him and he's violating that order, the police can pick him up.
Hmm. See where I'm going with that pre-emptive intervention angle?
Stalking is a criminal offense in Canada.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
If he asks them about you just get them to say "Cassandra asked me no to talk about her around you".
This will stop his getting random bits of information about you to use for stalking.
But even if you can't get a restraining order yet (though you probably will it will now be on the record) so if other stuff happens it will be easier to get one at a future date.
Satans..... hints.....