The Principle of [hesher] Made Flesh

Jazz

Here be the new thread for all the headbangers, earthdogs, heshers, metalheads and degenerate fucks out there.

Thread title courtesy of this jam:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wlxHfUeG3oo

Some basic guidelines for people just joining up with us:

-we know that Slayer are the brutalest
-we know that Yngwie Malmsteen is the noodliest
-we know that Dragonforce in Guitar Hero is almost as noodly
-we know that Faith No More is some craaaazy shit, dog
-we know Varg Vikernes is crazy as fuck and totally stabbed a dude
-we know Ozzy Osbourne is crazy as fuck and totally bit the head off of a bat
-we know Ghost have way too much money for their wardrobe department
-we know Metallica have way too much money to not find killer deals at Armani
-we know Horde aren't trve kvlt black metal
-we do, in fact, look down harshly upon Van Hagar

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Most of this post was directly ripped off from @Campy who ripped it off from @Fearmeister who ripped it off from @TerribleMisathrope who ripped it off from @LoveIsUnity who ripped it off from @Morgenstern.

UP THE IRONS!

Fearmeister

I love how my Paddington 2 link is somehow still there

Jazz

That's perhaps the most essential part of the OP.

Jazz

Please excuse the blood double post, but this is making me want to do another re-watch of Lords of Chaos now.

Maybe we need a list of metal-based movies for the OP!

BlackDragon480

Jazz wrote: »

That's perhaps the most essential part of the OP.

From Darkest Peru, he's come to bury a galosh up your ass.

Fearmeister

Are they going to be metal movies or metal movies?

Jazz

Fearmeister wrote: »

Are they going to be metal movies or metal movies?

Yes.

CaptainBeyond

New Kvelertak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1jJ7Wg7KzE

Yep, Thats Kvelertak!

Dissociater

Jazz wrote: »

Some basic guidelines for people just joining up with us:

-we know that dethklok are the brutalest
-we know that Dragonforce are the noodliest
-we know that Opeth is some craaaazy shit, dog
-we know Varg Vikernes is crazy as fuck and totally stabbed a dude
-we know Behemoth has way too much money to make music videos
-we know Deathheaven isn't trve kvlt black metal
-we do, in fact, look down harshly upon Killswitch Engage

This part's feeling really dated in 2023. I still love it, of course.

@BlackDragon480 let me know if you go to that M+G/Soundcheck. I considered it but couldn't justify the price. However, my partner is also a metalhead and recently got into media production focusing on animation, so part of me was like 'is this a networking event??'

Fearmeister

It's dated and timeless at the same time

Dissociater

CaptainBeyond wrote: »

New Kvelertak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1jJ7Wg7KzE

Yep, Thats Kvelertak!

So...they're Cancer Bats now?

Jazz

Fearmeister wrote: »

It's dated and timeless at the same time

It's dated enough that I briefly considered doing something with it but I probably have my finger on the pulse far less than most of you guys, frankly (I'm aware that most of my posts cover, like, five bands or something and probably fewer than that are still putting out new material on occasion). And yeah, there's sort of a timelessness to it.

Hell, if I were to rewrite it the bands mentioned would probably get older.

Dissociater

Jazz wrote: »

Fearmeister wrote: »

It's dated and timeless at the same time

It's dated enough that I briefly considered doing something with it but I probably have my finger on the pulse far less than most of you guys, frankly (I'm aware that most of my posts cover, like, five bands or something and probably fewer than that are still putting out new material on occasion). And yeah, there's sort of a timelessness to it.

Hell, if I were to rewrite it the bands mentioned would probably get older.

That's kind of why I love it: it's dating those of us who still post here.

Fearmeister

The only one I think can be replaced is the Behemoth one but idk with what to replace it with. Ghost maybe?

Shit, that could work. Replace Behemoth's music video money reference for Ghost's wardrobe money reference.

jungleroomx

-we know that Lorna Shore are the brutalest
-we know that Unlucky Morpheus are the noodliest
-we know that Archspire is some craaaazy shit, dog
-we know Tim Lambesis is crazy as fuck and tried to kill his wife, and successfully killed his band twice
-we know Opeth has way too much money to make music videos
-we know Metal Archives has rejected black metal, no longer trve kvlt
-we do, in fact, look down harshly upon Gojira

You're welcome

Dissociater

I think the Opeth one has to be a complaint about the lack of harsh vocals if we're changing anything.

Fearmeister

Oooohhh yea, I forgot that people were SUPER pissed off about that

Futt Bucker

Yeah but didnt Heritage come out like 12 years ago?

Fearmeister

Futt Bucker wrote: »

Yeah but didnt Heritage come out like 12 years ago?

Dissociater

Futt Bucker wrote: »

Yeah but didnt Heritage come out like 12 years ago?

Exactly my point! Let's make this even MORE dated!

BTW have you guys heard about this Periphery band? Mark my words, Djent is going to be huge one day!

jungleroomx

We know that Slayer are the brutalest

Fearmeister

We know that Ygnwie Malmsteen is the noodliest.

jungleroomx

We know that Faith No More is some craaaazy shit, dog

Fearmeister

We know that Ozzy Osbourne is crazy as fuck and totally bit the head off of a bat.

jungleroomx

we know Metallica has way too much money to not find killer deals at Armani

Fearmeister

We know that Horde isn't true kvlt black metal.

(Had to rack my brain on that one)

jungleroomx

We do, in fact, look down harshly upon Van Hagar

Dissociater

Honestly, this discussion is making me wonder how the '00s will be remembered from a metal perspective. A lot of great stuff came out in that decade, but there was also a lot of weird stuff. Nu-metal kind of peaked and then died and arguably nothing from the heavier genres really rushed in to fill the commercial void left by bands like Limp Bizkit an Linkin Park. I know metalcore, djent and some other -cores sprung from that and some bands like Mastodon appeared poised to jump into stadiums but outside of Ghost I don't know if it really happened.

Or maybe it did happen and I just didn't notice? How big are bands like Avenged Sevenfold? Will the '00s be remembered as the Avenged Sevenfold era of metal music?

Futt Bucker

When I think of mainstream 00s metal I think of stuff like Lamb of God, KsE, and Avenged Sevenfold. I know A7X are playing amphitheaters this summer and LoG still tours all the time. FFDP, can't forget them. Also bands like Opeth and In Flames really broke through in NA and reached much larger audiences. I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting.

jungleroomx

Dissociater wrote: »

Honestly, this discussion is making me wonder how the '00s will be remembered from a metal perspective. A lot of great stuff came out in that decade, but there was also a lot of weird stuff. Nu-metal kind of peaked and then died and arguably nothing from the heavier genres really rushed in to fill the commercial void left by bands like Limp Bizkit an Linkin Park. I know metalcore, djent and some other -cores sprung from that and some bands like Mastodon appeared poised to jump into stadiums but outside of Ghost I don't know if it really happened.

Or maybe it did happen and I just didn't notice? How big are bands like Avenged Sevenfold? Will the '00s be remembered as the Avenged Sevenfold era of metal music?

Linkin Park remained huge until Chesters death, there really wasn't ever a void. I think they sold north of 50 million albums.

Heavier modern radio rock like I Prevail, Breaking Benjamin, Motionless in White and From Ashes to New is pretty prevalent still. I'd even say the stuff we hear on the radio these days is a bit heavier than it was in the 2000s. We also hear Killswitch Engage without the screams edited out these days.

And if you haven't heard, nu metal isn't dead. It's just weirder now.

https://youtu.be/4TB9tz1Wwpw

flamebroiledchicken

Not mainstream, but I think of a lot of the 00s as setting the stage for the underground metal explosion of the '10s and current day. Stuff like Isis and Pelican setting the stage for post-metal and a more cinematic approach to metal in general, Mastodon and Baroness kicking off the Southern sludge boom, stuff like WITTR and Alcest setting the stage for atmoblack and blackgaze, and I think the OSDM revival wave kicked off towards the end of the 00s and beginning of the 10s as well.

Jazz

Made one edit to the OP - made the Lemmy and Ozzy pic bigger.

EthelTheFrog

I think for a lot of folks now in their late-20's early-30's (like me), the most important phenomenon of the oughts was Guitar Hero. That game single-handedly introduced so many of us to classic rock and metal. And I'll be honest, the "Through the Fire and Flames" credits run-through on Guitar Hero 3 (I think) was what originally got me into metal. I remember being completely slack-jawed at what I was hearing at age 11.

Steev

Years from now there will be a whole generation of people whose tastes have been been built off of youtube reaction videos, with everyone talking about how great the EMGtv version of Devin Townsend's "Kingdom" is.

Kreutz

jungleroomx wrote: »

Dissociater wrote: »

Honestly, this discussion is making me wonder how the '00s will be remembered from a metal perspective. A lot of great stuff came out in that decade, but there was also a lot of weird stuff. Nu-metal kind of peaked and then died and arguably nothing from the heavier genres really rushed in to fill the commercial void left by bands like Limp Bizkit an Linkin Park. I know metalcore, djent and some other -cores sprung from that and some bands like Mastodon appeared poised to jump into stadiums but outside of Ghost I don't know if it really happened.

Or maybe it did happen and I just didn't notice? How big are bands like Avenged Sevenfold? Will the '00s be remembered as the Avenged Sevenfold era of metal music?

Linkin Park remained huge until Chesters death, there really wasn't ever a void. I think they sold north of 50 million albums.

Heavier modern radio rock like I Prevail, Breaking Benjamin, Motionless in White and From Ashes to New is pretty prevalent still. I'd even say the stuff we hear on the radio these days is a bit heavier than it was in the 2000s. We also hear Killswitch Engage without the screams edited out these days.

And if you haven't heard, nu metal isn't dead. It's just weirder now.

https://youtu.be/4TB9tz1Wwpw

I'm calling bullshit. If that's nu-metal, where's the DJ?

Campy

Dissociater wrote: »

Jazz wrote: »

Some basic guidelines for people just joining up with us:

-we know that dethklok are the brutalest
-we know that Dragonforce are the noodliest
-we know that Opeth is some craaaazy shit, dog
-we know Varg Vikernes is crazy as fuck and totally stabbed a dude
-we know Behemoth has way too much money to make music videos
-we know Deathheaven isn't trve kvlt black metal
-we do, in fact, look down harshly upon Killswitch Engage

This part's feeling really dated in 2023. I still love it, of course.

@BlackDragon480 let me know if you go to that M+G/Soundcheck. I considered it but couldn't justify the price. However, my partner is also a metalhead and recently got into media production focusing on animation, so part of me was like 'is this a networking event??'

So uhhhh, I just noticed my entry here has completely mispelled Deafheaven. I figure it was a fun thing to add to in the op, even if it stinks of early noughties.

jungleroomx

Kreutz wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

Dissociater wrote: »

Honestly, this discussion is making me wonder how the '00s will be remembered from a metal perspective. A lot of great stuff came out in that decade, but there was also a lot of weird stuff. Nu-metal kind of peaked and then died and arguably nothing from the heavier genres really rushed in to fill the commercial void left by bands like Limp Bizkit an Linkin Park. I know metalcore, djent and some other -cores sprung from that and some bands like Mastodon appeared poised to jump into stadiums but outside of Ghost I don't know if it really happened.

Or maybe it did happen and I just didn't notice? How big are bands like Avenged Sevenfold? Will the '00s be remembered as the Avenged Sevenfold era of metal music?

Linkin Park remained huge until Chesters death, there really wasn't ever a void. I think they sold north of 50 million albums.

Heavier modern radio rock like I Prevail, Breaking Benjamin, Motionless in White and From Ashes to New is pretty prevalent still. I'd even say the stuff we hear on the radio these days is a bit heavier than it was in the 2000s. We also hear Killswitch Engage without the screams edited out these days.

And if you haven't heard, nu metal isn't dead. It's just weirder now.

https://youtu.be/4TB9tz1Wwpw

I'm calling bullshit. If that's nu-metal, where's the DJ?

Jazz

Campy wrote: »

Dissociater wrote: »

Jazz wrote: »

Some basic guidelines for people just joining up with us:

-we know that dethklok are the brutalest
-we know that Dragonforce are the noodliest
-we know that Opeth is some craaaazy shit, dog
-we know Varg Vikernes is crazy as fuck and totally stabbed a dude
-we know Behemoth has way too much money to make music videos
-we know Deathheaven isn't trve kvlt black metal
-we do, in fact, look down harshly upon Killswitch Engage

This part's feeling really dated in 2023. I still love it, of course.

@BlackDragon480 let me know if you go to that M+G/Soundcheck. I considered it but couldn't justify the price. However, my partner is also a metalhead and recently got into media production focusing on animation, so part of me was like 'is this a networking event??'

So uhhhh, I just noticed my entry here has completely mispelled Deafheaven. I figure it was a fun thing to add to in the op, even if it stinks of early noughties.

Fixed!

autothrall

OH BOY, time to give the new Metallica a go...

Overkill, too...

Kakodaimonos

autothrall wrote: »

OH BOY, time to give the new Metallica a go...

Overkill, too...

I won't tell you which one I like better just yet.

autothrall

I like the Overkill slightly more, but the Metallica was surprisingly solid, I just didn't like the drums/drum mix very much, but the songs themselves are pretty tight, and lots of callbacks to older albums (and reminded me a lot of Death Magnetic too). Early to call, but this is probably their best 21st century album to date.