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Penny Arcade - Comic - Elder Magic

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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    Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    I don't know that I've heard the phrase "fucked by our own dicks" before. It's a good phrease.

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    hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    Which one's the comic and which one's the 800 page novel.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    People are still gonna be mad. They're brining back Rey, which is a mistake. A lot of people seem happy to forget that the sequel trilogy ever happened. And on top of that, they're going to have Rey do what Luke did in the EU. Luke is the one who restored the Jedi Order, created the new Jedi Academy, and all that. This is just a hunch, but I'm gonna go ahead and predict right now that people are not going to be happy or accepting of Rey doing those same things. It's not going to sit well with the longtime fans who lived through the EU era and the New Republic.

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    I am happy to dispense with any star wars nerd who can't deal with new characters.

    What is this I don't even.
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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I am happy to dispense with any star wars nerd who can't deal with new characters.

    Why dispense with when you can dispose of?

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    I liked Rey. And even Kylo. I just hate what the story did with them. I liked basically all the characters. They deserved to be in a better story.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Djiem wrote: »
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I am happy to dispense with any star wars nerd who can't deal with new characters.

    Why dispense with when you can dispose of?

    The sarlaac is right there

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    V1m wrote: »
    Djiem wrote: »
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I am happy to dispense with any star wars nerd who can't deal with new characters.

    Why dispense with when you can dispose of?

    The sarlaac is right there

    You told me when we got this sarlaac that we'd be using it every day, and it's been, what, forty years since we even threw anybody in it? And even then, it was such a huge hassle. We would have been better off just doing it by hand.

    I'm putting it on e(mpire)Bay.

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    MarcinMNMarcinMN Registered User regular
    It's not like Thrawn hasn't been around in the new canon for years now. This isn't some last ditch effort to win back the fans. It's just a continuation of what they've been working on for quite some time. For the most part, I've been satisfied with Disney Star Wars. Yes, the sequel trilogy failed to capture the same magic as the OT, much like the Prequels before it, but that tall order was never going to be filled anyway. I've enjoyed the tv shows, though I wish they had gone the animated route with Ahsoka. The fact that they are bringing in so many characters that have thus far existed solely in animation, it would make sense to do so. I actually prefer my Jedi action in animated form these days. I feel it's more fun to watch than whatever they can manage to do with wires, green screens, etc.

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    Jean-LucJean-Luc Registered User regular
    Sorry for being dumb but who's the second person, Mara Jade?

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Jean-Luc wrote: »
    Sorry for being dumb but who's the second person, Mara Jade?

    Yep.

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Yeah, there are actually more Thrawn novels in the new canon than there were in the original (6 vs debatably 5). Plus he had a starring role in a TV show in the new canon. So if there was glass to break, they broke it like 10 years ago and you just didn't notice.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    It seems like sometimes there's this "I told you so" attitude when Legends stuff shows up. Like, "See! Thrawn showed up and everyone liked him! This is proof they never reset the canon!"

    Which is fine I guess, and I don't want to discount the good ideas Legends has on account of its many, many bad ideas. But also, I think many people were like me when Thrawn showed up in Rebels: we didn't geek out because he was a guy from the books, we geeked out because he was a great character perfectly portrayed who stole the show from the first moment he was on screen, especially as his reasonableness and long perspective was in contrast to the incompetent and myopic officers we are used to seeing.

    If they somehow introduce Mara Jade and she's well done, great. But I can't help but feel that a lot of people would have felt very differently about Rey if she was depicted exactly the same, but was named Mara Jade. And that's a shame.

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    SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I am happy to dispense with any star wars nerd who can't deal with new characters.

    I'm pretty sure people like new characters, when they're done well. The Mandalorian and Andor are pretty good examples of this.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Djiem wrote: »
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I am happy to dispense with any star wars nerd who can't deal with new characters.

    Why dispense with when you can dispose of?

    The sarlaac is right there
    dennis wrote: »
    V1m wrote: »
    Djiem wrote: »
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I am happy to dispense with any star wars nerd who can't deal with new characters.

    Why dispense with when you can dispose of?

    The sarlaac is right there

    You told me when we got this sarlaac that we'd be using it every day, and it's been, what, forty years since we even threw anybody in it? And even then, it was such a huge hassle. We would have been better off just doing it by hand.

    I'm putting it on e(mpire)Bay.

    Look, we agreed to buy it because we agreed that we'd use it a lot. Don't put this on me. When did I ever stop you throwing anyone in the sarlaac? What's that? Never?

    Look baby I don't want to fight with you. We're on the side side in the same team. Let's buy some enslaved rebels and feed that sarlaac and have a lovely outside evening drinking wine?

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Yeah, there are actually more Thrawn novels in the new canon than there were in the original (6 vs debatably 5). Plus he had a starring role in a TV show in the new canon. So if there was glass to break, they broke it like 10 years ago and you just didn't notice.

    I think we're talking at different levels here. There's definitely different levels of SW fan, or just someone who wouldn't even call themselves a SW fan but just someone who likes good shows that are sometimes about wars in the stars. I know I've never seen the show with Thrawn in it. It's not that I didn't notice, but that the show didn't have as wide of an audience. I'm assuming they're now trying to put Thrawn in something that would.

    Edit: And yeah, it seems Jerry noticed. From the post:
    It's true enough that Grand Admiral Thrawn manifested in the cartoons, but the skip to live action - and eventually feature film - represents another vindication of the Expanded Universe.

    So he's also talking about Thrawn in a live action feature film, where not every niche of SW content is represented like it is in all the side projects.

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    v2miccav2micca Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Sigh.......Okay, there is something that everyone just needs to learn to accept at this point. If you, for whatever reason, have not enjoyed the direction of Star Wars for the past 9 years, there is something you need to understand. So, come here, little closer.....just a little bitt closer.....THEY'RE NOT FUCKING CHANGING ANYTHING TO APPEAL TO YOU.

    Just accept, they don't give a shit about your Boba Fett toys, your Mara Jade fanfiction, or anything you want to see in a Star Wars movie. They. Do. Not. Care.

    So, if the current iteration of Star Wars is not your thing. Move on. Read a new book (I just discovered John Gwynne, he's not great, but he's entertaining), dig up and watch a series you missed when it first aired (I just started Killjoys), take up a new hobby (Just rediscovered mountain biking and it is awesome) But for god's sake. Move on and stop expecting something different while knowing that you will just be disappointed.

    Now, for those of you who have genuinely enjoyed the direction of Star Wars in the last decade, rock on. Enjoy what you love and don't dwell on anyone else shitting on it because it doesn't meet their expectations.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Panel 2 is Doctor Colossos, right?

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    I'd be up for more of his adventures in Death Mountain

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    YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Panel 2 is Doctor Colossos, right?

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    I'd be up for more of his adventures in Death Mountain

    But he was banned from going to Death Mountain. I can't see him breaking the law even though all of his stuff is there.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    v2micca wrote: »
    Sigh.......Okay, there is something that everyone just needs to learn to accept at this point. If you, for whatever reason, have not enjoyed the direction of Star Wars for the past 9 years, there is something you need to understand. So, come here, little closer.....just a little bitt closer.....THEY'RE NOT FUCKING CHANGING ANYTHING TO APPEAL TO YOU.

    Just accept, they don't give a shit about your Boba Fett toys, your Mara Jade fanfiction, or anything you want to see in a Star Wars movie. They. Do. Not. Care.

    So, if the current iteration of Star Wars is not your thing. Move on. Read a new book (I just discovered John Gwynne, he's not great, but he's entertaining), dig up and watch a series you missed when it first aired (I just started Killjoys), take up a new hobby (Just rediscovered mountain biking and it is awesome) But for god's sake. Move on and stop expecting something different while knowing that you will just be disappointed.

    Now, for those of you who have genuinely enjoyed the direction of Star Wars in the last decade, rock on. Enjoy what you love and don't dwell on anyone else shitting on it because it doesn't meet their expectations.

    Thank you! 100% agree.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    BremenBremen Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    v2micca wrote: »
    Sigh.......Okay, there is something that everyone just needs to learn to accept at this point. If you, for whatever reason, have not enjoyed the direction of Star Wars for the past 9 years, there is something you need to understand. So, come here, little closer.....just a little bitt closer.....THEY'RE NOT FUCKING CHANGING ANYTHING TO APPEAL TO YOU.

    Just accept, they don't give a shit about your Boba Fett toys, your Mara Jade fanfiction, or anything you want to see in a Star Wars movie. They. Do. Not. Care.

    So, if the current iteration of Star Wars is not your thing. Move on. Read a new book (I just discovered John Gwynne, he's not great, but he's entertaining), dig up and watch a series you missed when it first aired (I just started Killjoys), take up a new hobby (Just rediscovered mountain biking and it is awesome) But for god's sake. Move on and stop expecting something different while knowing that you will just be disappointed.

    Now, for those of you who have genuinely enjoyed the direction of Star Wars in the last decade, rock on. Enjoy what you love and don't dwell on anyone else shitting on it because it doesn't meet their expectations.

    I mean, they literally dropped the name of the novel that introduced Thrawn, so I think they're definitely arranging things to appeal to those fans here. It may be a cynical plan to just try to attract more viewers, but they care, yes.

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    Emperor MegamanEmperor Megaman Registered User regular
    It seems like sometimes there's this "I told you so" attitude when Legends stuff shows up. Like, "See! Thrawn showed up and everyone liked him! This is proof they never reset the canon!"

    Which is fine I guess, and I don't want to discount the good ideas Legends has on account of its many, many bad ideas. But also, I think many people were like me when Thrawn showed up in Rebels: we didn't geek out because he was a guy from the books, we geeked out because he was a great character perfectly portrayed who stole the show from the first moment he was on screen, especially as his reasonableness and long perspective was in contrast to the incompetent and myopic officers we are used to seeing.

    If they somehow introduce Mara Jade and she's well done, great. But I can't help but feel that a lot of people would have felt very differently about Rey if she was depicted exactly the same, but was named Mara Jade. And that's a shame.

    I'm no Star Wars specialist haven't even seen a most expended things in either the new or old canon, but from my experience of fandoms in general, I can safely assume that if Rey had been done in the same way, but named Mara Kade, the people who had a problem with Rey would've had a even bigger problem with her for "" ruinning"" a character they liked.
    And, if I'm correct to assume that Mara Jade was different from Rey, even people who liked Rey just fine would've disliked her as Mara Jade on a "It's a fine character, but this is not Mara Jade at all" basis.
    thoses with no previous attachement or Knowledge of Mara Jade would have had the same reaction they had to Rey as Rey.

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    VontreVontre Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    I like Star Wars but people who are really into the EU always sound like psychopaths to me, this comic is no exception.

    A lot of film and TV is based on written works. That's just... how it is. The MCU is literally the same shit, it's a new reset canon with a lot of inspiration and characters lifted from old comics that had far less reach. Nobody gets up in arms about this (or at least they are not loud enough for me to hear about it) but when STAR WARS makes bad content it's, oh no that's the sacred thing, we have to JUDGE. Like, most media is just plain bad my dudes, for very mundane reasons, it's hard to make good stuff. There's nothing going on here except for the fans being super fucking weird about everything.

    E: I mean even reading this comic I had to guess at who those characters even were, and I did guess right just because I know a lot of oldhead nerds who are super loud about these characters and just put two and two together. But the fact that these characters are just plastered on the comic as if they expect people to know what they're referring to is insane.

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    The whole "well the character is vindicated NOW that it's going to A Movie" thing is weird as fuck. The man's been a primary figure in a lot of the side content for the better part of a decade now.

    Guys, lots of people get into Star Wars *for* the side content. This has been like that since forever ago. Heck, you're basically talking about it yourselves. You can't go "haha, see, the EU was good, but also all those shows that ARE the new EU don't count and are stupid". Well, you can, but I'm going to laugh at you.

    My little sister herself is a huge Star Wars fan by any metric that wouldn't make you a giant asshole to use, and she has never seen all the movies. In point of fact, she fell asleep during A New Hope. But believe you me that she has extremely detailed Opinions about Rebels and Bad Batch and Clone Wars, and loves the shit out of Mandalorian, and is very much looking forward to Ahsoka.

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    Emperor MegamanEmperor Megaman Registered User regular
    ^ I don't think this is exactly the issue, though? In some ways, it's the opposite, even.
    The right holders were the one to basically operate in a "the EU isn't that important and the movies take precedence over everything" . But then, they end up ascending things from the EU into the movies, thus basically saying "eeeeh, EU is important in the end. Lot of people are fan of it."
    And I say that referring to EU as a whole, not one version speficically.
    9 years ago they wouldn't have put EU stuffs in film prominently.
    As someone mostly familiar with the movies (and the Genndy Tartakovsky cartoon, that last I checked was not Canon because it's not a movie and they can decide whenever they want that it doesn't exist anymore) I only vaguely knew who Ahsoka was by name. I had no idea who MJ was until yesterday.
    Of course, rather than a vindication of EU, it's very likely Just a consequence of the fact that the line between EU and mainline is getting progressively blurrier nowadays, because the way people consume and have access to media has changed a lot in the last 15 years.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    ^ I don't think this is exactly the issue, though? In some ways, it's the opposite, even.
    The right holders were the one to basically operate in a "the EU isn't that important and the movies take precedence over everything" . But then, they end up ascending things from the EU into the movies, thus basically saying "eeeeh, EU is important in the end. Lot of people are fan of it."
    And I say that referring to EU as a whole, not one version speficically.
    9 years ago they wouldn't have put EU stuffs in film prominently.
    As someone mostly familiar with the movies (and the Genndy Tartakovsky cartoon, that last I checked was not Canon because it's not a movie and they can decide whenever they want that it doesn't exist anymore) I only vaguely knew who Ahsoka was by name. I had no idea who MJ was until yesterday.
    Of course, rather than a vindication of EU, it's very likely Just a consequence of the fact that the line between EU and mainline is getting progressively blurrier nowadays, because the way people consume and have access to media has changed a lot in the last 15 years.

    The rights holders didn't say the EU wasn't good. They just said it's not canon. And creating canon versions of some of its characters is not reversing that position.

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    LtPowersLtPowers Registered User regular
    Vontre wrote: »
    But the fact that these characters are just plastered on the comic as if they expect people to know what they're referring to is insane.

    It's not insane. It's standard practice at Penny-Arcade and has been since the start. It's just that it's usually about VG characters. I only "get" about half of the strips in the archive because I've never kept up with the latest video games and Tycho's posts are often impenetrable.


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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    ^ I don't think this is exactly the issue, though? In some ways, it's the opposite, even.
    The right holders were the one to basically operate in a "the EU isn't that important and the movies take precedence over everything" . But then, they end up ascending things from the EU into the movies, thus basically saying "eeeeh, EU is important in the end. Lot of people are fan of it."
    And I say that referring to EU as a whole, not one version speficically.

    Thing is, that was the Old EU. Lucas was very much into the "levels" of canon, with the movies at the top. But Disney has been weirdly adamant on their Everything We Release In Our New EU Is Canon And That Is Diamond-Plated Fact stance, even when it would make more sense to, well, not do that, because every project this big will have a bunch of serious stinkers (and also desperate adherence to the idea of canon is kind of axiomatically stupid).

    But what happens in Rebels or The Mandalorian is not considered less canon than what happened in, like, The Force Awakens.

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    Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    MarcinMN wrote: »
    It's not like Thrawn hasn't been around in the new canon for years now. This isn't some last ditch effort to win back the fans. It's just a continuation of what they've been working on for quite some time. For the most part, I've been satisfied with Disney Star Wars. Yes, the sequel trilogy failed to capture the same magic as the OT, much like the Prequels before it, but that tall order was never going to be filled anyway. I've enjoyed the tv shows, though I wish they had gone the animated route with Ahsoka. The fact that they are bringing in so many characters that have thus far existed solely in animation, it would make sense to do so. I actually prefer my Jedi action in animated form these days. I feel it's more fun to watch than whatever they can manage to do with wires, green screens, etc.

    Disney knows the breadth of their audience. There are a great number of Star Wars fans that won't touch animations. One of my best friends is one of them. Remember that the OT came out at a time when a lot of Gen Xers were kids who grew up with extremely vapid cartoons. My friend was enraptured seeing the first film in theaters on a whim as a child but didn't grow up with the likes of South Park or the Toonami block as a teenager so it's much tougher to get her into animation. She's joined me for various anime and other viewings but it's not something she'd gravitate towards on her own. She absolutely will watch live action series like Andor or The Mandalorian though.
    ^ I don't think this is exactly the issue, though? In some ways, it's the opposite, even.
    The right holders were the one to basically operate in a "the EU isn't that important and the movies take precedence over everything" . But then, they end up ascending things from the EU into the movies, thus basically saying "eeeeh, EU is important in the end. Lot of people are fan of it."
    And I say that referring to EU as a whole, not one version speficically.
    9 years ago they wouldn't have put EU stuffs in film prominently.
    As someone mostly familiar with the movies (and the Genndy Tartakovsky cartoon, that last I checked was not Canon because it's not a movie and they can decide whenever they want that it doesn't exist anymore) I only vaguely knew who Ahsoka was by name. I had no idea who MJ was until yesterday.
    Of course, rather than a vindication of EU, it's very likely Just a consequence of the fact that the line between EU and mainline is getting progressively blurrier nowadays, because the way people consume and have access to media has changed a lot in the last 15 years.

    The rights holders didn't say the EU wasn't good. They just said it's not canon. And creating canon versions of some of its characters is not reversing that position.

    The position is crafty one. They can canonize the good parts of the EU, like Thrawn or even giving suggestions that KOTOR happened by various references, while ignoring the really dumb stuff, like Han Solo punching a giant space otter.

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    Anon von ZilchAnon von Zilch Registered User regular
    I'm not caught up on the New Republic era stuff but I hear it's a lot of "Hey look, it's [guy] from [thing]!" And that seems to have been to its detriment. So if you find a good place to use Thrawn or Mara Jade, go for it! But people didn't like Andor because it had Mon Mothma and Saw Gerrera in it.

    But speaking of the New Republic, would it be too much to ask for a show that's about, you know, the New Republic? I've enjoyed the "Dark Times" era (between Episodes III and IV) so much precisely because it's not just about the characters but also the Empire and later the nascent Rebel Alliance. Unironically give me prequels style scenes about the New Republic senate.

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    CowboyCaseCowboyCase Registered User regular
    I think the issue is less with the EU vs. Legends stuff and more with the franchise. Disney is clearly intent in turning Star Wars into an MCU situation. A situation where in order to watch a thing, you have to watch 3-4 other things to know what's going on, and when you DO watch it, half the time is spent setting up a payoff that will happen in some future thing.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Vontre wrote: »
    E: I mean even reading this comic I had to guess at who those characters even were, and I did guess right just because I know a lot of oldhead nerds who are super loud about these characters and just put two and two together. But the fact that these characters are just plastered on the comic as if they expect people to know what they're referring to is insane.

    The comic comes with a newspost, which usually explains things. You might have to wait a couple of hours, I guess? I'm not sure this qualifies as "insane".

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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    Vontre wrote: »
    E: I mean even reading this comic I had to guess at who those characters even were, and I did guess right just because I know a lot of oldhead nerds who are super loud about these characters and just put two and two together. But the fact that these characters are just plastered on the comic as if they expect people to know what they're referring to is insane.

    The comic comes with a newspost, which usually explains things. You might have to wait a couple of hours, I guess? I'm not sure this qualifies as "insane".

    And it doesn't really matter if you know them. The joke is there's special characters that will make the fans happy based on how desperate Disney is.

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    Emperor MegamanEmperor Megaman Registered User regular
    The rights holders didn't say the EU wasn't good. They just said it's not canon. And creating canon versions of some of its characters is not reversing that position.

    And i did'nt say that they said it was'nt good either. Merely that they treated it as not as important as the movies. i did'nt say that creating canon version of the uncanonised character changed anything regarding the fact that the old EU is no longer canon either. What i said is that nowadays, they do cross-polination between what's considered EU and the movies, which does implies a change in position in how important non-movie stuffs are considered. There would have been a very low chance of a character from one of the animated show or book appear in a prominent role in a movie back in 2016-2017.
    Which of course, (like i was implying) is a change in position that probably have more to do with the fact that the line between mainline and EU is more blurry now in a era where "people can access every show they make on VoD and shows or cartoons can be big budget productions" than in a era where EU consisted of "books of various level of obscurity that only a few particularly dedicated fans would go out of their way to buy".

    Drascin wrote: »
    ^ I don't think this is exactly the issue, though? In some ways, it's the opposite, even.
    The right holders were the one to basically operate in a "the EU isn't that important and the movies take precedence over everything" . But then, they end up ascending things from the EU into the movies, thus basically saying "eeeeh, EU is important in the end. Lot of people are fan of it."
    And I say that referring to EU as a whole, not one version speficically.

    Thing is, that was the Old EU. Lucas was very much into the "levels" of canon, with the movies at the top. But Disney has been weirdly adamant on their Everything We Release In Our New EU Is Canon And That Is Diamond-Plated Fact stance, even when it would make more sense to, well, not do that, because every project this big will have a bunch of serious stinkers (and also desperate adherence to the idea of canon is kind of axiomatically stupid).

    But what happens in Rebels or The Mandalorian is not considered less canon than what happened in, like, The Force Awakens.

    That does sound like what they're doing. And in that case does invalidate what i said.
    Though even working with this patern, it's clear that until relatively recently (When they started making big budget shows on Dysney+, which probably not-coincidentally is when the MCU also started making series more closely tied to the movies rather than insisting on keeping things separates like during the Netflix Daredevil era), they clearly weren't treating the "spin-off" shows with the same level of importance as the movies, even if they have the same level of canonicity.
    So in this way, a character being given a prominent movie appearance was a huge ascencion for this character.
    Even today, while a lot of people probably follow the animated show or series more than they follow the films, there's still probably twice as many people who have seen the movies while being only remotely familiar with the shows, and possibly even less familiar with the cartoon.

    I precise that i'm speaking generally. Personally, i do plan to watch some of the animated shows at some point (being more into animation that live action shows).

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    The newspost scorning Filoni's OCs for Zahn's OCs is very silly. Do you think you're going to like Mara Jade written just as badly as whatever character you hate?

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    The newspost scorning Filoni's OCs for Zahn's OCs is very silly. Do you think you're going to like Mara Jade written just as badly as whatever character you hate?

    So this is not the Mara Jade you're looking for?

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