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HefflingHeffling No PicEverRegistered User regular
Trains. They move stuff. Sometimes they move stuff to fantastical new unintended destinations, like the Ohio River Valley. Sometimes they belabor a point in the wrong thread.

Labor works on trains, which are owned by not labor. Also know as Capital. Like Washington.

Washington, DC is the hub of at least three major rail lines, and numerous smaller spurs.

Spurs, like the ones worn by the rail workers as they laid rail to connect the East and West coasts.

Coasting is what shareholders and executives do!

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    OK so I didn't want to keep derailing the labor thread, but to me number of cars has always been the 'length' of a train. And it makes sense.

    The cars on a train are the manifest, the load is the weight, and how long it is since it's on rails is mostly irrelevant. It's also non-trivial to measure the length of a train, you can do a roller measure parked, but once it is dynamic the couplers are stretching and rotating and you are talking some amount of variation.

    Plus dropping or picking up cars, at least in spherical cow territory knowing the number of cars and their load makes length some pointless arbitrary measure that can vary anyway. I get that not even being a concern or something worth collecting once you have the other data points.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    From the end of the thread
    Goumindong wrote: »
    ProPublica reviewed court and regulatory records of thousands of incidents involving trains of all lengths, as well as technical and investigative notes in federal files from nearly two decades of long-train incidents.

    How did they do this if the data does not exist?

    It seems there is confusion with this quote
    On Thursday, the FRA told ProPublica it is starting the process of requiring companies to disclose the train length for every reportable accident, a move prompted by the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act

    Some people seem to think that his means that the data is not recorded at all.

    This is false. It is only not recorded for some accident types. Which encompass more accidents than accidents involving moving fully connected trains.

    I don’t have time to go through the entire 315 page reporting guide. But I am going to guess that it’s not recorded in cases where it cannot possible be relevant information.

    If the number of cars is the length then this is a recorded statistic. Almost certainly for accidents in which it may be important. Definitely for the accidents propublica is saying they had data for and care about with regards to public exposure to train incidents.

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    so for our honeymoon back in 2014, hubby and I caught the Amtrak in DC, went through VA, WV, PA, OH, IN, and into Chicago. We were meant to have a 4 hour layover in Chicago, but due to getting stuck behind coal trains from WV, we had all of 20 minutes to get to our next train. We then left Chicago and went north, and traveled across all those states up there, seeing the Twin Cities at night, waking up and stopping in Minot ND for a stretch break, sleeping through the Cascades, and then waking up in time to see Puget Sound and Seattle. We then went to PAX.

    Lemme tell you, it was an amazing way to travel. We had a sleeper car and it was worth every penny. It was essentially first class, we got priority seating in the dining car, the food was excellent. and taking a shower on the train was a *very* cool experience.

    A++ would do it again in a heart beat and we should spend more money on the choochoos

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
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    'Murrica isn't the only ones suffering

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    so for our honeymoon back in 2014, hubby and I caught the Amtrak in DC, went through VA, WV, PA, OH, IN, and into Chicago. We were meant to have a 4 hour layover in Chicago, but due to getting stuck behind coal trains from WV, we had all of 20 minutes to get to our next train. We then left Chicago and went north, and traveled across all those states up there, seeing the Twin Cities at night, waking up and stopping in Minot ND for a stretch break, sleeping through the Cascades, and then waking up in time to see Puget Sound and Seattle. We then went to PAX.

    Lemme tell you, it was an amazing way to travel. We had a sleeper car and it was worth every penny. It was essentially first class, we got priority seating in the dining car, the food was excellent. and taking a shower on the train was a *very* cool experience.

    A++ would do it again in a heart beat and we should spend more money on the choochoos

    I've heard the Cardinal is lovely, but the Capitol Limited takes you more along the lakefront and some of the old 20th Century Limited trackage, before shifting South to DC instead of New York.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I rode Amtrak once.

    It went choo.

    And then later it went choo a second time.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    I live and work in northern VA, and I used to have routine meetings in NYC.

    Taking the train between the two (DC and NYC) beats all hell out of flying, at usually a cheaper per-person price and an equivalent amount of time (once you include the necessary "show up 2 hours early for your security theater" buffer for air travel), while also allowing you to get up and stretch and walk and have a comfortable seat.

    A++, would recommend trains all up and down the Eastern seaboard.

  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.

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  • jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I rode Amtrak once.

    It went choo.

    And then later it went choo a second time.

    did it chugga-chugga first?

    Enquiring minds want to know!

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.

    Ticket pricing is $40-$80 depending on time of day, and the trains for next Monday are currently 60-90% full (again, depending on departure time) so, some folks clearly think it's worthwhile.

    Given traffic on the Stevenson I'm pretty skeptical about you getting to the loop first if it's anywhere close to rush hour. Especially since the current timetable still doesn't reflect the higher speed yet. It can take me ~two hours to get to my folks' place, and they're just on the edge of the exurbs. If you're not going to the Loop, then sure it might not be worthwhile. But a literal majority of jobs within city limits are located there/ River North/ West Loop and over 10% for the whole metro area.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Well, it was Amtrak.

    After the first chugga there was like a 30 minute delay before the next chugga.

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  • CorlisCorlis Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.
    Another issue is that if you do take a train then you may need to rent a car just to get around the city that you're going to anyway.

    Unrelated: I took the train in Spain during my vacation last year and it turns out that if it's excessively late they are legally required to refund your ticket, which is nice!

    But I don't mind, as long as there's a bed beneath the stars that shine,
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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Jokes aside, my train experience was fine. It was moderately cheaper than the gas, I didn't have to worry about parking when I arrived, and it was s business trip to Berkeley so everything I gave a shit about was within walking distance when I arrived. And it was more or less on time both ways.

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.

    $80 worth of gas plus 10 hours of driving when you could be playing switch, reading a book, or whatever.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Corlis wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.
    Another issue is that if you do take a train then you may need to rent a car just to get around the city that you're going to anyway.

    Airlines also generally dislike people trying to put a car in the overhead bin.

  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Corlis wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.
    Another issue is that if you do take a train then you may need to rent a car just to get around the city that you're going to anyway.

    Airlines also generally dislike people trying to put a car in the overhead bin.

    Don't tell anyone but...I just download a car when I get to my destination.

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    The one time I took an Amtrak train between Florida and South Carolina, we hit a deer about 15 minutes outside of Jesup, GA at 10:30pm, with zero cell service and an outside temp of 30F. The intercom/pa system didn’t work in our car, or the cars on either side of us, so we had no idea what was happening until one of the conductors came by like 20 minutes in and we could ask him what was going on. Apparently, when you hit a deer with a train, it’s incredibly messy and can take out some of the stuff on train undercarriage, hence the delays. But for a bit there, we were basically “so we’re in the middle of nowhere, in the dark with no service, this is how horror movies start”.

    But then someone decided it was a good time to break out their bottles of SoCo and Wild Turkey, so most of the car got a little hammered, and we made it to our destination about 4 hours late at 1:30am instead of 9:30.

  • CorlisCorlis Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Corlis wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.
    Another issue is that if you do take a train then you may need to rent a car just to get around the city that you're going to anyway.

    Airlines also generally dislike people trying to put a car in the overhead bin.
    It's fine, you just need to get a good running start so you can ram the car in there with your shoulder!

    More seriously, tinwhiskers was comparing trains to cars in North America, so that's what I was comparing too.

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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    edited May 2023
    I was in England and the Netherlands last week while on vacation. I took trains from London to Dover and back, from London to Amsterdam, and between Amsterdam and Leiden, Den Haag, Utrecht, Haarlem, and Delft. That was pretty great. It’s nice to be able to travel around a region without needing a car.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Corlis wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.
    Another issue is that if you do take a train then you may need to rent a car just to get around the city that you're going to anyway.

    Airlines also generally dislike people trying to put a car in the overhead bin.

    That's why you just stash a stagecoach.

    ... that's why it's called "coach", right?

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Corlis wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.
    Another issue is that if you do take a train then you may need to rent a car just to get around the city that you're going to anyway.

    Airlines also generally dislike people trying to put a car in the overhead bin.

    That's why you just stash a stagecoach.

    ... that's why it's called "coach", right?

    I hear an air marshal will tackle you if you try to use coach as your stage.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Corlis wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Chicago to St Louis finally got clearance to run at 110mph (177 kmh) and are going to re-timetable this Summer/ Fall after doing some real world runs for a few months to get a better handle on reality. The new Siemens Venture cars are also continuing to roll out, and when they finally fix whatever issues keep happening with the cafe cars it'll be 100% new rolling stock sometime next year.

    Not quite Cat III HSR, but pretty close to it and the sort of thing that can be continuously improved over time. Probably won't ever get true dedicated 300kmh service, but 250kmh and hourly service seems eminently doable given how flat everything is here. Just need more grade separations and to finish up CREATE projects to untangle Chicago.

    So still slower than drivers on I55.

    Trains are just in a weird spot in the US, because once you have made the buy in to being a car owner, which is for a lot of people not really negotiable due to the US's lack of urban planning and shit public transport, the economics of riding one don't seem that great even if your destination supports it.

    Like Chi to STL is roughly 600 miles round trip. That is what $80 worth of gas? Which is roughly what a single round trip ticket costs. And I can probably beat the train there driving, especially if you count the time it takes to get to and from the stations. Once you add a second person in the car its not really close.

    The optimum travel decision matrix is like 3 concentric circles with fly on the outside, "just drive" as the inner most, and "train" is just like this tiny sliver of a ring between the two.
    Another issue is that if you do take a train then you may need to rent a car just to get around the city that you're going to anyway.

    Airlines also generally dislike people trying to put a car in the overhead bin.

    Don't tell anyone but...I just download a car when I get to my destination.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean

    If I could...

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  • Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    We took the California Zephyr from Denver to San Francisco on our trip to the U.S last year; we usually try to fly in and out of the U.S via SFO to avoid having to deal with the lovely people at the TSA, so it literally took us where we were going anyway, by a much more scenic route.

    It was fantastic. As a foreigner who hasn't seen much of the U.S outside of the usual suspects (i.e, New York and LA), it was a great way to see some of the glorious American countryside. We got to see mountains, desert, and what my wife dubbed "Yogi Bear Forest" in California. Another fun surprise was what my wife (who is good at naming things) dubbed the "Valley of the Moon". Evidently its a thing to drop your pants and moon the Zephyr if you're rafting down the Colorado river. So I got some interesting pictures, which thanks to google photos sync now keep popping up on my chromecast randomly, typically when we have guests over.

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  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I was in England and the Netherlands last week while on vacation. I took trains from London to Dover and back, from London to Amsterdam, and between Amsterdam and Leiden, Den Haag, Utrecht, Haarlem, and Delft. That was pretty great. It’s nice to be able to travel around a region without needing a car.

    UK trains can be notoriously unreliable, but there's still a resilience there.

    I was going from Edinburgh to Macclesfield last week - the first leg was Edinburgh to York.
    That goes fine, but the train for the next leg was cancelled before we even arrived, so a replacement train was provided. Which made it one stop, to Leeds, before we were all told to get off, because the train had a mechanical fault. From Leeds we were all told to board the train to Liverpool, get off at Manchester Victoria, then take the tram across to Manchester Piccadilly, then I'd get the train to London Euston and get off at Macclesfield.

    On one hand, an infuriating series of cascading failures.
    On the other, I still got to where I was going with a delay of two hours, which would be comparable to being stuck in traffic on the motorway if I'd been driving a car.

    Also, I wasn't in a car for all that.

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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I was in England and the Netherlands last week while on vacation. I took trains from London to Dover and back, from London to Amsterdam, and between Amsterdam and Leiden, Den Haag, Utrecht, Haarlem, and Delft. That was pretty great. It’s nice to be able to travel around a region without needing a car.

    UK trains can be notoriously unreliable, but there's still a resilience there.

    I was going from Edinburgh to Macclesfield last week - the first leg was Edinburgh to York.
    That goes fine, but the train for the next leg was cancelled before we even arrived, so a replacement train was provided. Which made it one stop, to Leeds, before we were all told to get off, because the train had a mechanical fault. From Leeds we were all told to board the train to Liverpool, get off at Manchester Victoria, then take the tram across to Manchester Piccadilly, then I'd get the train to London Euston and get off at Macclesfield.

    On one hand, an infuriating series of cascading failures.
    On the other, I still got to where I was going with a delay of two hours, which would be comparable to being stuck in traffic on the motorway if I'd been driving a car.

    Also, I wasn't in a car for all that.

    My worst train experience in the UK was back in 2011 if I recall. I was staying in York, but went to Edinburgh for the day. Around 7:30 PM I ambled back down to the train station and started looking for a train to York. There were none. I walked up to the customer service desk to ask, and I was brightly informed that the next train to York would be early the next morning. So I asked what other trains were going south, thinking that I could go to somewhere else and make my way to York indirectly. I was then informed in a “grass is green, the sky is blue, water is wet” kind of tone that trains didn’t go south after 7pm on weekends or something to that effect.

    I couldn’t find any hotels in my price range in Edinburgh, but I had an unlimited tourist rail card, and I found a pretty cheap Holiday Inn in Glasgow within walking distance of the rail station. I learned a few valuable lessons that night with regards to planning.

    Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    mcdermott wrote: »
    We had a heated argument a couple weeks ago at work about the appropriate number of chuggas to a choo-choo

    Can you believe we had a motherfucker who thought two was an acceptable answer? Why chugga chugga at all at that point?!

    The real pedantic debate is how many choo choos because the answer is well that depends, what is the train attempting to signal?

  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    mcdermott wrote: »
    We had a heated argument a couple weeks ago at work about the appropriate number of chuggas to a choo-choo

    Can you believe we had a motherfucker who thought two was an acceptable answer? Why chugga chugga at all at that point?!

    The real pedantic debate is how many choo choos because the answer is well that depends, what is the train attempting to signal?

    A derailment in an urban area

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    We had a heated argument a couple weeks ago at work about the appropriate number of chuggas to a choo-choo

    Can you believe we had a motherfucker who thought two was an acceptable answer? Why chugga chugga at all at that point?!

    The real pedantic debate is how many choo choos because the answer is well that depends, what is the train attempting to signal?

    A derailment in an urban area

    That's less "choo choo" and more "horrific metal squeals*

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Probably less of this conversation while we figure out WTF just happened in India
    Everything I read about it is just horrific
    I wonder if this will be enough to get rid of the practice of riding outside of the cars there

    dlinfiniti on
    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Huge train crash. 300 ish fatalities so far

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    Probably less of this conversation while we figure out WTF just happened in India
    Everything I read about it is just horrific
    I wonder if this will be enough to get rid of the practice of riding outside of the cars there

    What happened in India?

    Signal error, passenger train derailed, hit another passenger train, third freight train was also involved somehow
    288 dead so far

    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
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