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[Formula One & motorsport] Round 12, Great Britain: Get in there Lewis!

JazzJazz Registered User regular
Welcome one, welcome all, to a thread for discussion of Formula One, past, present and future. (And feel free to discuss other motorsport as well, should you feel like it - any is welcome!) If you're joining us for the first time, please say hi! We don't bite. :)

Previous threads:
April 2015 to October 2019
October 2019 to August 2021
August 2021 to May 2023

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Why are there loads of spoiler tags in this thread?

For various reasons, some people in the thread have to catch up on F1 events after they happen rather than being able to see them live. In order to not force those people out while an F1 event is going on, we came to the compromise of spoilering things directly relating to a current F1 event until the Tuesday after a race. After that it's open spoiler territory. Anything else can still be posted outside of spoiler tags in that time, and this only applies to F1 and not other motorsport events.

Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?

The 2024 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
  • Alpine - Pierre Gasly (France), Esteban Ocon (France)
  • Aston Martin - Fernando Alonso (Spain), Lance Stroll (Canada)
  • Ferrari - Carlos Sainz Jr (Spain), Charles Leclerc (Monaco)
  • Haas - Kevin Magnussen (Denmark), Nico Hulkenberg (Germany)
  • McLaren - Lando Norris (United Kingdom), Oscar Piastri (Australia)
  • Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton (United Kingdom), George Russell (United Kingdom)
  • Red Bull - Max Verstappen (Netherlands), Sergio Perez (Mexico)
  • Sauber - Zhou Guanyu (China), Valtteri Bottas (Finland)
  • VCARB - Daniel Ricciardo (Australia), Yuki Tsunoda (Japan)
  • Williams - Logan Sargeant (United States), Alex Albon (Thailand)

Unusually, the driver line-up remains the same across all teams from the end of 2023. The AlphaTauri team was renamed Visa Cash App RB F1 Team (aka RB or VCARB depending on who you ask), and the Alfa Romeo team (named after its title sponsor but run by Sauber as it had been for many years) was renamed Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber. Yes, they're both idiotic. Somehow they found a way to make it worse than when we had two teams both called Lotus a few years ago.


The 2024 World Championship is set to comprise 24 Grand Prix races, a new record if all go ahead.
  • Sakhir, Bahrain (night race) - 2 March
  • Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (night race) - 9 March
  • Melbourne, Australia - 24 March
  • Suzuka, Japan - 7 April
  • Shanghai, China - 21 April
  • Miami, Florida, United States (Miami GP) - 5 May
  • Imola, Italy (Emilia Romagna GP) - 19 May
  • Monte Carlo, Monaco (street race) - 26 May
  • Montreal, Canada - 9 June
  • Barcelona, Spain - 23 June
  • Spielberg, Austria - 30 June
  • Silverstone, Great Britain - 7 July
  • Budapest, Hungary - 21 July
  • Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 28 July
  • Zandvoort, Netherlands - 25 August
  • Monza, Italy - 1 September
  • Baku, Azerbaijan (street race) - 15 September
  • Marina Bay, Singapore (night/street race) - 22 September
  • Austin, Texas, United States - 20 October
  • Mexico City, Mexico (Mexico City GP) - 27 October
  • Interlagos, Brazil (São Paulo GP) - 3 November
  • Las Vegas, Nevada, United States (Las Vegas GP, night/street race) - 23 November
  • Lusail, Qatar - 1 December
  • Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi (evening race) - 8 December

China makes its return after being absent for 2023. Several races have shifted their positions in the calendar, such as Japan moving to early in the year and Azerbaijan moving later.

Will there be an F1 2024 video game?

Yes, F1 24 from EA Sports was announced just before the start of the 2024 season.

Are you doing a Fantasy F1 league?

It's over at https://fantasygp.com/ , and the league code is:
41387310

Are there any good movies about F1?

Yes, and there was a flurry of brilliant ones a few years ago. All of these are essential viewing even if you only have a passing interest in F1:

Senna (2010) is a documentary history of arguably the sport's greatest-ever driver, triple world champion Ayrton Senna, who started in F1 in 1984 and died tragically in 1994.
Rush (2013) is a biopic of the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s, starring Chris Hemsworth and Daniel Brühl as Hunt and Lauda respectively, and culminating in their titanic battle for the 1976 world championship.
Grand Prix: The Killer Years (2011) is a BBC documentary that tells the story of F1 in the 1960s and 70s where mechanical failure, lethal track design, fire and incompetence led to the deaths of many young drivers. Among the interviewees contributing to the film are world champions Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, and John Surtees.
And if you like older movies too:
Grand Prix (1966) is a film that follows several drivers through a fictionalised 1966 season. It stars James Garner and features some astonishing footage captured at the real races, which won it three Oscars.
And outside F1, the fantastic Le Mans (1971) depicts Steve McQueen's character taking part in a fictionalised 1971 Le Mans 24 Hours race, again using some amazing footage captured at the real-life 1970 event. McQueen was an avid racer himself, and the Porsche camera car (which McQueen had previously co-driven to a second place in the 12 Hours of Sebring) was actually a full-fledged entry in the real 1970 race.


What about TV shows (aside from the races themselves)?

Check out Drive to Survive on Netflix. Then pick your jaw up off the floor. Seriously, this show is amazing and has proven to be an extraordinary gateway drug into the world of F1, focusing on stories within the season rather than just being presented chronologically, and has a huge amount of behind-the-scenes access we just don't see on the live weekend broadcasts. It's a fascinating insight into the sport.

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2020 OP archive

2020 PA Forums Hot Laps
PA Forums F1 Hot Laps

While the F1 season, like everything else, is was on hold, we have a PA Forums Hot Lap game/event/thing going on (credit to @oldmanken ). In the F1 2019 game, in Time Trial mode, we are simply aiming to do the fastest lap we can on whatever the currently selected track is, in whatever the currently selected car is. These may be 2019 cars or classic cars.

Round 1, Australia, 20-25 March: 2019 McLaren
Round 2, Bahrain, 26 March-1 April: 2004 Ferrari
Round 3: China, 1-8 April: 2019 Mercedes
Round 4: Azerbaijan, 8-15 April: 2019 Williams
Round 5: Spain, 15-22 April: 2019 Renault
Round 6: Monaco, 22-29 April: 1988 McLaren
Round 7: Canada, 29 April-13 May: 1979 Ferrari
Round 8: France, 13-20 May: 2019 Alfa Romeo
Round 9: Austria, 20-27 May: 2019 Red Bull
Round 10: Great Britain, 27 May-10 June: 1992 Williams
Round 11: Germany, 10-24 June: 2019 Toro Rosso
Round 12: Hungary, 24 June-8 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 13: Belgium, 14 July-28 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 14: Italy, TBD

There are restrictions on which driver aids can be used for your time to count; these are different depending on if you are using a controller or a wheel/pedals setup.

There is a Google doc/spreadsheet here with relevant rules and leaderboards: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wNoRoewUeHxKZSrAj0iYE8ydSzHI6WpB-Zj7Fl5v1aA/edit?usp=sharing

If anyone feels like having a go, we'd love to have you join in! You are also welcome to join in using F1 2018 and F1 2017 if you only have those available, but the relative speed of the cars may make that more challenging!

PA Forums Assetto Corsa Competizione Hot Laps

There is now also a Hot Lap event for Assetto Corsa Competizione, if sportscar racing is more your thing (or you just feel like a change of scenery).

There is a Google doc for the ACC event here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jle4BTRUsRFQqb_JagX6QvXpVGhp8Eaj40h3HFUnuEc/edit?usp=sharing

2020 Official Virtual F1
Official Virtual F1

As so many of the early races of the season have been cancelled or postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic, F1 are now going to be holding Virtual Grand Prix in lieu of the actual races. These will take place on the same weekends as the cancelled races, and will be held remotely on the F1 2019 game, with all the actual F1 drivers invited to take part; seats are also being filled by esports drivers, ex-F1 drivers and other celebrities/sportspeople. These will be held purely for entertainment purposes and will not count towards the real life season, should it still go ahead.

More information can be found here, at www.racefans.net (and other fan sites), and of course in this thread itself!

The saga of the 2020 season: how to F1 in a pandemic, part 1
Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?

The 2020 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
  • Alfa Romeo - Kimi Raikkonen (Finland), Antonio Giovinazzi (Italy)
  • AlphaTauri - Pierre Gasly (France), Daniil Kvyat (Russia)
  • Ferrari - Sebastian Vettel (Germany), Charles Leclerc (Monaco)
  • Haas - Romain Grosjean (France), Kevin Magnussen (Denmark)
  • McLaren - Lando Norris (United Kingdom), Carlos Sainz Jr (Spain)
  • Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton (United Kingdom), Valtteri Bottas (Finland)
  • Racing Point - Sergio Perez (Mexico), Lance Stroll (Canada)
  • Red Bull - Alexander Albon (Thailand), Max Verstappen (Netherlands)
  • Renault - Daniel Ricciardo (Australia), Esteban Ocon (France)
  • Williams - Nicholas Latifi (Canada), George Russell (United Kingdom)

There are few changes from last year. The Toro Rosso Team has changed name to AlphaTauri. Nicholas Latifi is the only rookie driver this year, and Esteban Ocon makes his return to an F1 race seat, replacing Nico Hulkenberg at Renault.


The 2020 World Championship was originally to be comprised of 22 Grand Prix races. Several at the start of the season were cancelled due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. The original schedule was:
  • Melbourne, Australia - 15 March - cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Sakhir, Bahrain (night race) - 22 March - fans banned from attending and subsequently cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Hanoi, Vietnam (street race) - 5 April - cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Shanghai, China - 19 April - postponed indefinitely pre-season and subsequently cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Zandvoort, Netherlands - 3 May - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Barcelona, Spain - 10 May - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Monte Carlo, Monaco (street race) - 24 May - cancelled outright due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Baku, Azerbaijan (street race) - 7 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Montreal, Canada - 14 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Paul Ricard, France - 28 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
  • Spielberg, Austria - 5 July
  • Silverstone, Great Britain - 19 July
  • Budapest, Hungary - 2 August
  • Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 30 August
  • Monza, Italy - 6 September
  • Marina Bay, Singapore (night/street race) - 20 September
  • Sochi, Russia - 27 September
  • Suzuka, Japan - 11 October
  • Austin, United States - 25 October
  • Mexico City, Mexico - 1 November
  • Interlagos, Brazil - 15 November
  • Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi (evening race) - 29 November

The German Grand Prix was dropped again for this year. The Dutch GP was going to return to the calendar for the first time since 1985, and Vietnam was to make its debut with a new partial street track in Hanoi.

The 2020 calendar was originally intended to be 22 races; the Chinese Grand Prix (intended to be on 19 April) was indefinitely postponed on 12 February due to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, but was considered cancelled as there was nowhere else left where it could realistically fit into this year's schedule. On 13 March it was officially cancelled.

On 9 March, Bahrain banned all fans from attending their race because of coronavirus fears. On 13 March the event was officially cancelled.

On 12 March, the Australian Grand Prix was reportedly cancelled due to the coronavirus outbreak. This was officially confirmed on 13 March.

Also on 13 March, what would have been the inaugural Vietnam Grand Prix was cancelled.

On 19 March, the Dutch and Spanish Grands Prix were officially postponed, and the Monaco Grand Prix was cancelled outright (in part due to the setup time; it takes the principality of Monaco six weeks to set up for the race, so an indeterminate postponement was impractical).

Also on 19 March, the announcement was made that the new technical rules for the 2021 season would be delayed until 2022; the 2021 season will be contested with the 2020 cars regardless of how much of the 2020 season eventually goes ahead.

On 23 March, the Azerbaijan Grand Prix was officially postponed.

On 7 April, the Canadian Grand Prix was officially postponed.

On 27 April, the French Grand Prix was officially postponed.

The season is now tentatively scheduled to begin with the Austrian Grand Prix on 5 July, subject to any further cancellations or complications. The current idea is for two races to be held in Austria, on 5 and 12 July, followed by two races in Great Britain at Silverstone, on 19 and 26 July, with the rest of the calendar rewritten to ultimately create a season of 15 to 18 races. Early races would likely be held behind closed doors without spectators, with the hope that restriction could be eased later in the year.

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On 28 May, a new European calendar was tentatively reported. Austria will still host the opening two rounds on 5 and 12 July, but the two races at Silverstone would be pushed back into August following the UK government's new quarantine restrictions for people entering the UK (with Germany filling in if the British races don't go ahead). Hungary and Spain would fill in around Austria and the UK, with Belgium and Italy retaining their previous dates and further races outside Europe to follow. Also on 28 May, the Dutch Grand Prix was officially cancelled.

On 10 July, Mugello in Italy (new to F1) and Russia confirmed dates for September.

On 24 July, the US, Mexican and Brazilian Grands Prix were cancelled. Canada was also confirmed to be cancelled. Also, the Nurburgring in Germany, Imola in Italy, and Portimao in Portugal (the latter new to F1) confirmed dates to expand the season.

On 26 August, four more races at three venues - Istanbul Park in Turkey (returning after nine years off the calendar), Sakhir in Bahrain, and Yas Marina in Abu Dhabi, were confirmed to conclude the season. Bahrain will host two races using two different layouts of the track.

The new season so far looks like this:
  • Round 1: Spielberg, Austria - 5 July
  • Round 2: Spielberg, Austria (Styrian GP) - 12 July
  • Round 3: Budapest, Hungary - 19 July
  • Round 4: Silverstone, Great Britain - 2 August
  • Round 5: Silverstone, Great Britain (70th Anniversary GP) - 9 August
  • Round 6: Barcelona, Spain - 16 August
  • Round 7: Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 30 August
  • Round 8: Monza, Italy - 6 September
  • Round 9: Mugello, Italy - 13 September
  • Round 10: Sochi, Russia - 27 September
  • Round 11: Nurburgring, Germany - 11 October
  • Round 12: Portimao, Portugal - 25 October
  • Round 13: Imola, Italy - 1 November
  • Round 14: Istanbul Park, Turkey - 15 November
  • Round 15: Sakhir, Bahrain - 29 November
  • Round 16: Sakhir, Bahrain (outer circuit) - 6 December
  • Round 17: Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi - 13 December

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Quoting from the end of the last thread:
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    jimb213jimb213 Registered User regular
    I didn't realize it until I saw a tiktok about it this morning, but the reason the announcers were quipping about new camera angles on the track, and the reason we had a helicopter at Monaco for the first time, is that until this year, the F1 broadcast team didn't handle the Monaco race, it was Monaco's own broadcast team. So we had more experienced direction, more cameras, better camera operators... as someone who works broadcast-adjascent, this was pretty fascinating to find out.

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    EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    I am going to my first ever in person F1 viewing party. Pretty excited to hang out with other F1 fans.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    jimb213 wrote: »
    I didn't realize it until I saw a tiktok about it this morning, but the reason the announcers were quipping about new camera angles on the track, and the reason we had a helicopter at Monaco for the first time, is that until this year, the F1 broadcast team didn't handle the Monaco race, it was Monaco's own broadcast team. So we had more experienced direction, more cameras, better camera operators... as someone who works broadcast-adjascent, this was pretty fascinating to find out.

    The helicopter in particular really transformed the coverage. Fascinating viewpoint of that crazy place.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    It looked like a different track in some places. I didn't realise how little Monaco had ever shaken up the various camera angles until they weren't using them anymore.

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    Wow, that makes a lot of sense. Something seemed different about what we were seeing!

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    I'd just like to point out that while the angles and such were certainly different and better, I don't think that made the coverage of the race actually good. F1 still does some weird things where they follow some action for a bit, then cut away to something else and just completely miss showing the actual pass or whatever. So it was definitely an improvement, just they still have a ways to go.

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    PICKS PICKS PICKS :)

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Glancing at F2. The track is properly wet. Could make quali interesting (for p2 downwards at least)

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    PICKS PICKS PICKS :)

    I remembered this time!

    I'm sure it won't help my now relatively lowly position that much... seems a long time ago now that I was up in second!

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Watching FP3 on replay, and there is definitely lightning visible from the track. I guess F1 doesn't have rules about not running with nearby lightning strikes happening, but the rain coming in definitely looks intense.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    The track does dry up quickly when it stops raining. The weather seems changeable and hard to predict though.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Normally skip F2 but found it interesting enough to watch.
    Vesti and Pourchaire were both very good. Vesti looked in control throughout.

    Nissany is as bad as ever, punted another driver off the track in a no hope move.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Okay not directly racing related, but I found it amusing. I was watching a YouTube video and got an advertisement for the F1TV app. So far, so good. Except the ad says something along the lines of "upgrade your 2022 season experience" and you would think that F1 could have afforded to change the overlay text.

    I dunno, I was slightly amused.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Quali
    Bit of a weird red flag. It’s slippery and a few people being caught out by wet patches but no incident.

    As I type this it turns out it was for gravel on the track apparently?

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Early qualifying:
    An utterly bizarre red flag. I think maybe they thought somebody was beached and threw the flag quickly because of the slippery conditions, and then couldn't rescind it when everybody kept on going? I don't know, just really weird. Weather always makes things more interesting, at least.

    Post Q1:
    LeClerc 19th on the grid, while Sainz is competitive at the top of the chart! This is a shocking result. Verstappen still looks to be clearly fastest, but some impressive results from Alpine and McLaren in Q1. Perez almost getting eliminated in Q1! I love this qualifying format.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Q1 result
    Oof, Leclerc. Just not fast enough and no obvious cause.
    Perez is also lucky to just about survive into Q2.

    Track seemed to be ramping up fast towards the end of the session.

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    TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Quali
    Oh dear, Charles. What happened there? And why didn't he just keep going for another run right at the end, he clearly went over the line before the flag dropped.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Quali
    Oh dear, Charles. What happened there? And why didn't he just keep going for another run right at the end, he clearly went over the line before the flag dropped.
    My guess, not enough fuel. They were absolutely aware they were struggling and likely sent him out with just enough to get back to the pits.

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    jimb213jimb213 Registered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Quali
    Oh dear, Charles. What happened there? And why didn't he just keep going for another run right at the end, he clearly went over the line before the flag dropped.
    One of the broadcasters mentioned that his batteries were depleted, so he wouldn't be able to push nearly as hard without a lap to charge them.

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    TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Yeah, makes sense (both spoilered answers :smile: ).

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Leclerc saying that the car was awful in left turns to the point where he nearly dropped it during the red flag. Definitely sounds like something is broken.

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    TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Quali - again
    The fuck is happening? Russell and Perez out in Q2.

    What is going on with Perez these past 2 races? Monaco was a desaster and this quali too.

    And Russell getting hit by Hamilton too. What is going on here?

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Q2
    Perez and Russell out! Perez probably more surprising given how strong that car is. Excellent lap from Norris to take p2.

    Russell also took Hamilton’s front wing off. No idea what was happening there.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Q2
    About the only thing that went as expected in Q2 was Verstappen at the top of the chart. Everything else has just been a surprise. Norris p2, Perez out, Russell out, what even is going on here? The only team I expected to get both drivers into Q3 that actually managed it is Aston Martin. Piastri into Q3! Alpine doing quite well yet somehow not as well as McLaren. Absolute madness, and I am here for every minute of it.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Post-Qualy:
    Okay so Verstappen on pole wasn't exactly difficult to predict. Perez, Russell and (especially) LeClerc going out so early is just baffling, since clearly those three cars were plenty good enough to get to Q3. Props to Stroll for finally out-qualifying Alonso (even if it took Alonso having floor damage). Major props to both Alpine and McLaren, what an immense step forward for both cars (well Alpine seems to have made their step forward in Monaco, but it's so hard to tell what's really going on in that race). Piastri got to Q3 for I believe the first time in his career, and Gasly qualified ahead of Ocon which I certainly was not expecting. Then Hulkenberg qualifying 8th, it was just a day for extremely unexpected results I guess. Barcelona is one of those tracks that is heavily used for testing, so it is possible that this isn't a phantom "this track only" result and we might be seeing a lot more competition for second through fifth in the constructor's championship. Call me an optimist, but I really hope that's the case.
    Other F1 thoughts:
    I saw a comparison picture between the Red Bull floor (as seen in Monaco) and the Williams floor (as seen in Barcelona), and the contrast is remarkable. The RB19 floor is such a work of art compared to the competition, no wonder they are destroying the competition so badly. I would very much like to see what Aston Martin's floor looks like, because the Williams, Mercedes and Ferrari look so much simpler than Red Bull and performance clearly shows who has it right who does not. I wouldn't be surprised if Aston Martin had a floor nearly as interesting as Red Bull.

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    Quali
    The Russell and Hamilton collision seems to be, from what they were showing in the post show and when they talked to Toto Wolf to be a case of the team dropping the ball to let Russell know Hamilton was behind him. He had just moved over to let one of the Ferrari’s past, and the team told him he was all clear while Hamilton was in his blind spot. Which is a baffling fuck up from Mercedes that they are lucky didn’t do more damage to Hamilton’s car.

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Quali
    I think the conditions, especially with regards to tyre warmup, were much more challenging than they were letting on in the commentary. I also think the timing of the red flag meant a bunch of people went out on dead softs for a first lap, and then if you mis-timed the final lap in Q1 you were screwed.

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    @tsmvengy think you quoted when you meant to spoiler

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    Yes, I am dope.

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    That's a bummer for Lando, about as dogshit of a start as you can get while still staying in the race

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Race
    Mercedes running well in the race. Seem to be the clear best of the rest in race trim.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Lap 56 and Mercedes is definitely looking much better than before. I guess sidepods are important, who knew? (Everybody else apparently). I was so gutted for Norris needing the nose change right off the bat, but he has been in the pits a ridiculous number of times and I just don't understand why. Is the degradation that high that he couldn't have gone with a longer stint on the hard tires? Piastri hasn't really done anything positive either, so it looks like the qualifying pace was just a mirage. I had thought McLaren had brought in some upgrades for this race, but the announcers are saying otherwise so I'm just kind of baffled how McLaren had such impressive one lap pace but maybe it was because the track was so slippery after the rain? Just weird.

    Nice drives by Perez and Russell so far. Domination by Verstappen, which everybody expected I think. Better race than I was expecting, and if the Red Bull wasn't so ridiculously ahead of everybody I think it could have been the race of the year.

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    Gutted for Yuki, that penalty seems entirely uncalled for.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Post race
    A good race with no random drama (Safety cars, red flags etc) shaking things up. No surprises on the winner, but we pretty much all knew that from the start of the weekend anyway. Indeed the only surprise with RB was Perez doing relatively poorly.

    The biggest result has to be for Mercedes. Going into the race things didn't look great. They'd looked slow in practice and had a poor qualifying. It looked like they'd fallen futher behind into the back with Ferrari, Aston and even Alpine showing comparable pace. In the race though, every one of their direct rivals fell back and Merc looked relatively unchallenged (ignoring RB). The points from today put them 18 ahead of Aston Martin in the constructors. Merc have really been showing what two top class drivers can do for a team, especially when compared against AM. Both drivers were excellent today.

    Of course it did help that their rivals were busy tripping over themselves. Alonso damaged his car, Leclerc's car couldn't turn left and Gasly landed himself a 6 place penalty for impeding twice. I don't think any of this would have changed the outcome though. Mercedes were just plain faster and easier on the tyres than their rivals.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Weekend thoughts
    So I've been thinking about things, and the story of the weekend was really tire temperature. Qualifying was on a cold and slick track, so cars that put heat into the tires quickly (McLaren, Haas, Alpine to an extent) did really well. Then race day was much warmer and dry (and presumably the F2 feature race put down a significant amount of rubber) so the cars that put heat into the tires quickly had significant issues with degradation and suffered accordingly, while conditions really favored Red Bull and Mercedes (Red Bull because their car is just so good at everything this season, Mercedes because their drivers are just that good and the Mercedes is pretty easy on the tires). Aston Martin did relatively poorly because their car is easy on the rears but harder on the fronts, and Barcelona in this setup is significantly harder on the fronts.

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    TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    chrisnl wrote: »
    Weekend thoughts
    So I've been thinking about things, and the story of the weekend was really tire temperature. Qualifying was on a cold and slick track, so cars that put heat into the tires quickly (McLaren, Haas, Alpine to an extent) did really well. Then race day was much warmer and dry (and presumably the F2 feature race put down a significant amount of rubber) so the cars that put heat into the tires quickly had significant issues with degradation and suffered accordingly, while conditions really favored Red Bull and Mercedes (Red Bull because their car is just so good at everything this season, Mercedes because their drivers are just that good and the Mercedes is pretty easy on the tires). Aston Martin did relatively poorly because their car is easy on the rears but harder on the fronts, and Barcelona in this setup is significantly harder on the fronts.

    It was actually only Alonso that did "poorly" compared to previous races.

    He finished 3-3-3-4-3-2-7 this season so far.
    Stroll finished 6-DNF-4-7-12-DNF-6 so far - so he did actually ok coming in 6th.

    Overall thoughts
    - great to see the Mercs up there
    - too bad Alonso had a bad day
    - strange to see the 2nd of the last 3 races with nobody retiring and no "drama"
    - feel bad for Lando, that his race went from 3rd to nowhere in like 2 corners
    - Ferrari doesn't seem to improve at all this season, sure Sainz came in 5th, but LeClerc was lost the whole race
    - Even though there are still 15 races left, we might as well hand the trophy to RB and Verstappen - there is nobody on the grid, who could seriously challenge him, not even Perez in the same car
    - Really hope Merc, Aston and even Ferrari can challenge for some wins this season, so that Verstappens isn't running too far away with it.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    Weekend thoughts
    So I've been thinking about things, and the story of the weekend was really tire temperature. Qualifying was on a cold and slick track, so cars that put heat into the tires quickly (McLaren, Haas, Alpine to an extent) did really well. Then race day was much warmer and dry (and presumably the F2 feature race put down a significant amount of rubber) so the cars that put heat into the tires quickly had significant issues with degradation and suffered accordingly, while conditions really favored Red Bull and Mercedes (Red Bull because their car is just so good at everything this season, Mercedes because their drivers are just that good and the Mercedes is pretty easy on the tires). Aston Martin did relatively poorly because their car is easy on the rears but harder on the fronts, and Barcelona in this setup is significantly harder on the fronts.

    It was actually only Alonso that did "poorly" compared to previous races.

    He finished 3-3-3-4-3-2-7 this season so far.
    Stroll finished 6-DNF-4-7-12-DNF-6 so far - so he did actually ok coming in 6th.

    Overall thoughts
    - great to see the Mercs up there
    - too bad Alonso had a bad day
    - strange to see the 2nd of the last 3 races with nobody retiring and no "drama"
    - feel bad for Lando, that his race went from 3rd to nowhere in like 2 corners
    - Ferrari doesn't seem to improve at all this season, sure Sainz came in 5th, but LeClerc was lost the whole race
    - Even though there are still 15 races left, we might as well hand the trophy to RB and Verstappen - there is nobody on the grid, who could seriously challenge him, not even Perez in the same car
    - Really hope Merc, Aston and even Ferrari can challenge for some wins this season, so that Verstappens isn't running too far away with it.
    As much as Perez is my man, it really seems like Verstappen is just un-challengeable in that car. The only hope is for something to go wrong in the car or with a mistake, but he isn't feeling any pressure that could precipitate a mistake.

    I love F1, I hate F1.

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Toto was right earlier in the season when he said that
    Red Bull are just sandbagging. No one can touch them this season.

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    MulletudeMulletude Registered User regular
    I'm fairly new to F1. What other seasons have had cars that just outclassed everyone like this?

    My limited knowledge tells me Merc at least a couple times since Rosberg and Lewis were racing together.

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    not reading the other comments because I haven't finished watching yet, but WTF are Ferrari doing pitting Leclerc on lap like 16???

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