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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    for someone who theoretically works in product design, I sure was not prepared for Philips to kidnap my office lights to force me to connect them to the internet for "security"

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    for someone who theoretically works in product design, I sure was not prepared for Philips to kidnap my office lights to force me to connect them to the internet for "security"

    You have brought up smart light bulbs which allows me to unleash this hell upon the world once again.

    https://youtu.be/1BB6wj6RyKo?si=GcqbSt_XyOGzfY

    Smart Home is so good, you guys!

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited October 2023
    I didn't watch it but how did no one at GE see "how to reset your lightbulb" required a 3 minute video and immediately realize they had failed?

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    I recently skittered into my parents crawl space to put in some smart bulbs.

    One of them needed rebooting.

    It is a very smart crawlspace now, I guess.

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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    for someone who theoretically works in product design, I sure was not prepared for Philips to kidnap my office lights to force me to connect them to the internet for "security"

    You have brought up smart light bulbs which allows me to unleash this hell upon the world once again.

    https://youtu.be/1BB6wj6RyKo?si=GcqbSt_XyOGzfY

    Smart Home is so good, you guys!

    I think I said “there’s no fucking way” like four times while watching this. I didn’t know GE had decided to become the joker

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    Almost every bulb in our house is smart but they are they very cheap Chinese kind. They are almost certainly being used in some kind of botnet but if i ever need to reset them i can just cut the light off by hand for 30 seconds. So i guess pros and cons.

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    i have some hue bulbs that are nearly impossible to reset if they get borked without the serial number

    the serial number which is on an annoying piece of shiny tape on the cord that messes up neat cable management

    :roll:

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    I didn't watch it but how did no one at GE see "how to reset your lightbulb" required a 3 minute video and immediately realize they had failed?

    GE has kindly accomodated for those of us who like light switch raves. :grin:


    ... Now, that said, the V1 of that was just stupid and prone for error. From the way they talk, the capacitors and RAM in the device last for about 4-5 seconds, so the 2 second off periods (plus or minus a lot of generous leeway, I'm sure) make sense. What doesn't make sense is the 8-2-2-2-8 cycle. The 8-8-8-8-8 is much, much more boring - especially in real time like that. But it still represents deliberate action.

    That said.. the silliest thing in all that IMO is using the packaging to differentiate firmware - especially if your device has been updated. Who is going to remember what their lightbulb packaging looked like?!

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    What if they just put a button on the bulb to allow you to reset easily? Like every other device worth owning? Or not worth owning, even!

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    yeah a button or even the little pinhole reset that old routers had

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    As your attorney, I'm going to strongly suggest you don't encourage your customers to poke a paper clip into a tiny hole in a screwed-in lightbulb.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Yeah sure! But a button! I know it'll add $0.0032 to each bulb but fuck off.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    As your attorney, I'm going to strongly suggest you don't encourage your customers to poke a paper clip into a tiny hole in a screwed-in lightbulb.

    look at least *something* will get reset, ok?

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    or we could just, not use smart lightbulbs and worrying about them doing untoward things

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    Jedoc wrote: »
    As your attorney, I'm going to strongly suggest you don't encourage your customers to poke a paper clip into a tiny hole in a screwed-in lightbulb.

    look at least *something* will get reset, ok?

    This reminds me of every time I have a medical staff call with an IT issue and they feel bad for not thinking to reboot.

    "That's okay, reboots are not a thing we want medical staff jumping too quickly to as a general diagnostic tool!"

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Every smart home thing I see feels like it would be a true nightmare and I don't even hate smart homes conceptually, I would love to walk into a room and say "lights" and have the lights come on or be able to alert my house that I'm on my way home so that the temperature is correct and lights are on and a drink is already mixed when I get there, but boy does it not feel like it's worth it to try to get there right now.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    I guess I just don't understand any kind of desire to take robust, simple systems and add complex, difficult to repair points of failure to them which have, at best, secondary conveniences that don't meaningfully impact the core functionality.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I hate the idea of smart homes.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I'm in a small house and put some of the major light switches on wifi, but I don't really see the value add of any more functionality beyond being able to turn lights on and off without getting up.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    your home should be a terrible camera

    with fangs and shit

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    your home should be actively hostile towards you so that you don't go into shock when you are forced to interact with the wider world

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2023
    what if your fridge had a camera hidden in it that could secretly take pictures of you and your food, and then upload those to a third party service that your insurance company could monitor so that they could modify your rates in real time based on how unhealthy they judged your eating habits

    doesn't that sound exciting

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    what if my dishwasher was self aware and tried to eat my cat at any opportunity

    that sounds exciting, right

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    what if my dishwasher was self aware and tried to eat my cat at any opportunity

    that sounds exciting, right

    is that the sequel to little shop of horrors?

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    I gave up on smart bulbs (mostly) and switched to using smart switches. Lutron makes a pretty much perfect line of smart switches and they basically never has any issues.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    my dishwasher is a regular human guy

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    I hooked a lamp up to a smart surge protector so I could move it to a regular plug and use as normal if I wanted to. Was worth it to be able to go "Computer, lights!"

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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    I'm generally against smart homes. the only reason I bought a couple of the Hue lights was because you didn't need to connect them to the internet but i could put them on a timer without having to buy timer plugs for a bunch of outlets.

    Them now saying we'll have to connect them to an account is like a direct violation of what made them interesting. We have an unused raspberry pi, that I am now looking to set up as a server for the opensource homeassistant so I'll still be able to use them, but it's definitely encroaching on the "why am i adding tech to solve a non tech issue" space for me and i definitely wouldn't recommend buying these.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    I guess I just don't understand any kind of desire to take robust, simple systems and add complex, difficult to repair points of failure to them which have, at best, secondary conveniences that don't meaningfully impact the core functionality.

    That's because you're not thinking very disruptively!

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    sponospono Mining for Nose Diamonds Booger CoveRegistered User regular
    I have one smart light bulb

    It's in the hallway light in the middle of the house

    I have it set to turn blue at 9:00pm every night, which reminds me to tell the kid to go to bed, if we haven't started the bedtime routine already

    I can also make it whatever color I want with the phone, but this is a pure novelty feature

    Otherwise, I just turn the light on and off with the wall switch like any other light

    I don't have any smart hubs or alexas or whatever

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    I don't know if i could go back to turning lights on and off by hand anymore to be honest. We have three different light names in the living room alone. Alexa turn on main lights 50% brightness. Alexa turn on couch lamp rainbow mode. Etc etc. I guess it is pretty damn lazy when i stop and think about it but it works. Ours have worked pretty much flawlessly for about 2 years now. Plus when my wife isn't home i program in custom light colors to the Alexa like glans purple and labia pink and then say them out loud when we have guests over.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    I guess I just don't understand any kind of desire to take robust, simple systems and add complex, difficult to repair points of failure to them which have, at best, secondary conveniences that don't meaningfully impact the core functionality.

    I don't like most of it, but I have a bunch of Philips Hue lights. The big things for me is they work off a bridge unit, so if that's not plugged in, they don't work via internet. Sounds bad-ish, but it means I have a way to remove them from the internet if there's a problem.

    But also, it was cheaper to buy a bunch of those bulbs and a few switches than it would have been to have an electrician do a shitload of wiring in the house to make lights attach to switches. This is an old house, that would have been a ton of work. This was way less.

    I'm currently working out a new network in the house. The smart home shit (mostly just those lights and the hey google devices) are going to be on their own VLAN separate from everything else, again, for safety. Gonna be a bit before I get it all together, partly because the pieces parts are going to be a bit of cash, but it's a fun bit of problem solving. And still going to be cheaper than an electrician wiring up every room in the house.

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    TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Jedoc wrote: »
    As your attorney, I'm going to strongly suggest you don't encourage your customers to poke a paper clip into a tiny hole in a screwed-in lightbulb.

    look at least *something* will get reset, ok?

    This reminds me of every time I have a medical staff call with an IT issue and they feel bad for not thinking to reboot.

    "That's okay, reboots are not a thing we want medical staff jumping too quickly to as a general diagnostic tool!"

    Turning it off and then on again is actually within their purview: https://litfl.com/pharm-101-adenosine/

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Tynnan wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Jedoc wrote: »
    As your attorney, I'm going to strongly suggest you don't encourage your customers to poke a paper clip into a tiny hole in a screwed-in lightbulb.

    look at least *something* will get reset, ok?

    This reminds me of every time I have a medical staff call with an IT issue and they feel bad for not thinking to reboot.

    "That's okay, reboots are not a thing we want medical staff jumping too quickly to as a general diagnostic tool!"

    Turning it off and then on again is actually within their purview: https://litfl.com/pharm-101-adenosine/

    Medicine that restarts your heart? I wonder what the side effects are:

    jwfpa1s0fsst.png

    Yep, checks out.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    I have never really set up any voice commands, so I still control my smart lights with my phone. The most useful by far is the flood light above my kitchen peninsula, which had a light switch in a very dumb place

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    I have never really set up any voice commands, so I still control my smart lights with my phone. The most useful by far is the flood light above my kitchen peninsula, which had a light switch in a very dumb place

    Saying "hey Google, turn on the living room lights" is really novel the first few times, but after a day we bought Hue switches.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Heffling wrote: »
    Tynnan wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Jedoc wrote: »
    As your attorney, I'm going to strongly suggest you don't encourage your customers to poke a paper clip into a tiny hole in a screwed-in lightbulb.

    look at least *something* will get reset, ok?

    This reminds me of every time I have a medical staff call with an IT issue and they feel bad for not thinking to reboot.

    "That's okay, reboots are not a thing we want medical staff jumping too quickly to as a general diagnostic tool!"

    Turning it off and then on again is actually within their purview: https://litfl.com/pharm-101-adenosine/

    Medicine that restarts your heart? I wonder what the side effects are:

    jwfpa1s0fsst.png

    Yep, checks out.

    Man, I got that shit without fancy heart meds.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    what if your fridge had a camera hidden in it that could secretly take pictures of you and your food, and then upload those to a third party service that your insurance company could monitor so that they could modify your rates in real time based on how unhealthy they judged your eating habits

    doesn't that sound exciting

    mildly exciting, how secure is all the information being stored?

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    what if your fridge had a camera hidden in it that could secretly take pictures of you and your food, and then upload those to a third party service that your insurance company could monitor so that they could modify your rates in real time based on how unhealthy they judged your eating habits

    doesn't that sound exciting

    mildly exciting, how secure is all the information being stored?

    It's all encrypted except for the passwords which are stored in a publicly accessible directory as a plain text file

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    what if your fridge had a camera hidden in it that could secretly take pictures of you and your food, and then upload those to a third party service that your insurance company could monitor so that they could modify your rates in real time based on how unhealthy they judged your eating habits

    doesn't that sound exciting

    mildly exciting, how secure is all the information being stored?

    It's all encrypted except for the passwords which are stored in a publicly accessible directory as a plain text file

    The pictures are stored encrypted on company servers, but are transmitted in the clear.

    They're also decrypted when sold to advertisers and your health insurance company.

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