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[AI Art] Continues to be The Torment Nexus
Lanz
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So-called “AI” content generation engines continue to suck ass! We know the reasons why: models constantly trained on art and literary assets with no compensation ever given to the original creators, being funded by a cadre of Silicon Valley oligarchs whose wet dreams all involve removing their laboring-lessers from the equation entirely to rid themselves of that messy “paying people” cost cell in their quarterly spreadsheets, the fact many of these algorithms actually aren’t all they’re cracked up to be and require teams of exploited, underpaid workers to keep them even remotely viable for their owners.
So here’s the latest thanks to some former Vice Motherboard folks over at 404 Media:
https://www.404media.co/kaedim-ai-startup-2d-to-3d-used-cheap-human-labor/
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So here’s the latest thanks to some former Vice Motherboard folks over at 404 Media:
https://www.404media.co/kaedim-ai-startup-2d-to-3d-used-cheap-human-labor/
An artificial intelligence company, whose founder Forbes included in a 30 Under 30 list recently, promises to use machine learning to convert clients’ 2D illustrations into 3D models. In reality the company, called Kaedim, uses human artists for “quality control.” According to two sources with knowledge of the process interviewed by 404 Media, at one point, Kaedim often used human artists to make the models. One of the sources said workers at one point produced the 3D design wholecloth themselves without the help of machine learning at all.
The news pulls back the curtain on a hyped startup and is an example of how AI companies can sometimes overstate the capabilities of their technology. Like other AI startups, Kaedim wants to use AI to do tedious labor that is currently being done by humans. In this case, 3D modeling, a time consuming job that video game companies are already outsourcing to studios in countries like China.
“Our software automatically models the geometry from scratch,” Kaedim founder and CEO Konstantina Psoma told Forbes last year. “Now anyone can integrate the automatic 2D to 3D conversion into their apps, games, and metaverses.” In an earlier, 2020 interview on LinkedIn, Psoma said the company is “automating the boring parts” of 3D modeling.
“Magically generate custom 3D models in minutes,” Kaedim’s website reads. Update: After the publication of this article, Kaedim rebranded its website to make it clearer that humans are involved in the company's production of 3D images. You can read an article specifically on that change here.
What Kaedim’s artificial intelligence produced was of such low quality that at one point in time “it would just be an unrecognizable blob or something instead of a tree for example,” one source familiar with its process said. 404 Media granted multiple sources in this article anonymity to avoid retaliation.
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see, I just think this is cool
every legal and economic implication of "AI art" as it is currently utilized is damaging and harmful to real actual people whose well-being obviously have and will always take priority
but the actual no quotation marks Art that can be done with it, things that would be impossible otherwise... some of it can be downright beautiful, as above
and it angers me that the way this world is broken will not allow the latter condition to exist without the former
Like that's not him singing it. It's not every little choice and tweak and bit that Frank would have done with his voice singing that song.
it's an excellent fucking mimicry of his voice, don't get me wrong, but it's not him. It's just a computer's best interpretation of him. Which is interesting in the way a fun house mirror is interesting, but not really beyond that.
Generally when i'm engaging in media it's because of the human element, it's because i'm interested in a person's take on things and how they thought about stuff, consciously or subconciously and all that fed into it.
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He's nonconfrontational and positive by nature so don't expect bashing on either side, but his point that AI lacks an essential part of human communication - a point of view - is an interesting distillation of its limits. Often when I interact with generative AI, it feels like I'm looking in a mirror. It's more of a muse or a reflective psychologist than an actual conversation partner, helping flesh out ideas but not really bringing out any novel contributions of its own.
The second part of his answer has hidden relevance: a novel point of view is not guaranteed from humans either, and without a need to prove yourself, there's a chance innovation may be stifled. I'm wondering if all the money in generative AI right now is actually hindering its growth, as it would best be developed through easy collaboration and transparency as the data needed for development is not locked in a corporate vault somewhere but readily publicly available.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
That's it.
The Chatbot shit they've been working on forever so that companies could stop paying people to do chat help on websites. And now they've adapted it to make SEO garbage articles.
{Twitter, Everybody's doing it. }{Writing and Story Blog}
Pretty much all the market growth in the S&P 500 in the past year has been in companies heavily invested in AI, which are big players like Microsoft, Alphabet, Tesla, etc. Generative AI art is a small player in a bigger game and doesn't really drive innovation in the field - it's more like a byproduct that companies are trying to squeeze for more money, restrained by proprietary investment in secret AI models applied to other industries.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
All seriousness, something that fucks me off is this is not AI!
Actual artificial intelligence is a fascinating concept with a lot to discuss and learn and consider. This is just generative black boxes, and half the time the black box is just a bunch of humans in a sweatshop.
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It's a similar sort of appeal as a kaleidoscope: a transformation of the things you see with some math type stuff to get something that looks like a new thing. Doesn't need a person to shake things up to imbue a sense of novelty - it's a natural mutation.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
that’s what farting is, and that’s what i do best
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai-took-my-job-literally-gizmodo-fires-spanish-staff-amid-switch-to-ai-translator/
Also:
“ via our translation from Google Translate”
Cannot tell if Irony intentional or Accidental
That isn't even "written" by AI, it's a thesaurus-bashed plagiarizing of the TMZ article it links to. That's usually reserved for like, SEO optimized slopsites, I didn't realize MSN had fallen that far.
E: Looks like the MSN aticle is down but here is the article it stole from: https://www.tmz.com/2023/09/12/ex-nba-player-brandon-hunter-dead-42/?adid=social-tws
Oh, also Google still assures us in a featured snippet that there are no countries in Africa beginning with K. So, you know, all going great there so far.
No longer will the pencil famine deny us
Oh no I already sold all my paper
That's fine, paper currency is the past
Convert all your cash into gold, and then give me that gold to convert into NFTs
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Never having bothered to change my edge homepage from msn.com for the past 8 years it's less a fall and more a gentle mudslide at the bottom of a sinkhole
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
https://www.404media.co/first-google-search-result-for-tiananmen-square-tank-man-is-ai-generated-selfie/
Luckily we can all get free D&D portraits whenever we want and the tits can be just ASTRONOMICALLY huge, so it's probably all fine on balance
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
But the working that it is doing is disconnected from human trafficking, it's just being used to do other stuff (which it is effective at, but which are separate or even contrary to its stated goals).
I think a more pointed question is if facial recognition is a tool that can be used to help combat human trafficking. If not, then it doesn't really need ML optimization.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
These "anti-human trafficking" organizations do very little to prevent actual human trafficking, Paladin, because they exist to combat a mythologized idea that bears little resemblance to how human trafficking actually occurs.
Sex worker is not a synonym for trafficking victim.
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It seems like there are at least 3 concepts under scrutiny then: the concept of facial recognition, the people that go in the database, and the technological execution. So if facial recognition isn't the problem, it's the fact that people who aren't being trafficked are included in the database. Got it.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
No. You are utterly wrong.
Facial recognition software is a problem, too. The technology has a long and documented history of being flawed and having inherent racial biases baked into it, never mind the unethical and biased ways that law enforcement agencies utilize them.
Creating databases of people for police to freely peruse is bad, too. Police have to (ostensibly) follow strict procedures in order to gather evidence against someone suspected of a crime. These organizations don't have to follow those rules. In a very real sense, they allow law enforcement agencies to circumvent laws that exist in order to protect people's privacy and right to a fair trial.
I can't believe I have to spell this all out for you.
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You don't have to assume people don't know what they don't know. So if facial recognition as a concept is bad, then the solution is to advocate against it and all its forms. The database and the algorithm are then redundant.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
The database would still be bad even if it wasn't created using facial recognition technology.
That's why I just posted about it being a bad thing, independent of facial recognition technology.
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