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Leaders Sit On Hands As Israel Commits Genocide On Palestinians. US Says Let Israel Cook

KelorKelor Registered User regular
edited November 2023 in Social Entropy++
Israel is currently heavily bombing Gaza, home to over two million Palestinians. As of ten hours ago, the death toll stands at almost 2000 Palestinians dead, and over 7000 injured.

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11 journalists are dead and more injured, many in the last 24 hours along with 11 UN staff and 30 students in UN schools from Israeli air strikes.

Doctors Without Borders was given two hours to evacuate a hospital but after declaring that they would not leave active patients the order was rescinded.

The director of MSF/DWB has put out a statement calling Israeli requests for Palestinians to leave within 24 hours outrageous, along with the attacks upon medical staff.



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Israel blocked off water, power and resources from entering Gaza during the bombing and now has tanks entering for a ground assault.

This retaliation comes after Hamas broke through the fence surrounding Gaza and attacked IDF bases and surrounding towns with current deaths from the raids numbering at least 1300 Israelis killed and over 3000 wounded.

UN experts on the ground have said Israel's actions breach international laws on collective punishment.
GENEVA, Oct 12 (Reuters) - A group of independent United Nations experts on Thursday condemned violence against civilians in Israel and deplored the "collective punishment" of reprisal strikes against Gaza.

While condemning the "horrific crimes committed by Hamas", the group said that Israel had resorted to "indiscriminate military attacks against the already exhausted Palestinian people of Gaza".

"They have lived under unlawful blockade for 16 years, and already gone through five major brutal wars, which remain unaccounted for," the group, which includes several U.N. special rapporteurs, said in a statement.

"This amounts to collective punishment. There is no justification for violence that indiscriminately targets innocent civilians, whether by Hamas or Israeli forces. This is absolutely prohibited under international law and amounts to a war crime."

Human Rights Watch reported the use of white phosphrous yesterday
Israel has used white phosphorus in its continuing military operations in Gaza and Lebanon, putting civilians at serious risk, Human Rights Watch has said, following an investigation.

Human Rights Watch said it verified footage taken in Lebanon and Gaza on Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively, showing multiple uses of artillery-fired white phosphorus over the Gaza City port and two rural locations along the Israel-Lebanon border.

There have been many reports of deaths in the last several hours as Israel has bombed convoys attempting to exit the northern end of Gaza after being told they had 24 hours to flee.

Israel has now dropped 6000 bombs over the last six days in the Gaza Strip, more than was dropped in any single month in the allied air campaign against ISIS. The Israeli Air Force uploaded images of dumb bombs with no guidance being loaded onto jets, resulting in this.
According to unclassified airpower data published in December 2019 by US Air Forces Central Command (AFCENT), during the first two years of that stretch, the coalition averaged some 2,500 bombs dropped each month on targets across Iraq and Syria.

But the air war seriously intensified the following year, 2017, with an average of around 3,300 bombs dropped each month from fighter jets and drones. May, June, and July all saw the coalition release over 4,000 weapons, new highs during Operation Inherent Resolve. But that August saw a record 5,075 bombs dropped, marking the only time that figure ever surpassed 5,000.

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Human Rights Watch said it verified footage taken in Lebanon and Gaza on Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively, showing multiple uses of artillery-fired white phosphorus over the Gaza City port and two rural locations along the Israel-Lebanon border.

There was also claims of white phosphorous being used on Al-Durra hospital yesterday but I was unable to find a second source.




World leaders have been almost uniformly supportive of Israel with little said on the events in Gaza or calls for restraint.

In the US Anthony Blinken has twice deleted tweets calling for caution, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre has labeled calls for caution and deescalation repugnant and disgraceful. Biden has ordered a carrier group into the region, watching over genocide and ensuring no further intervention from other countries. The UK has done the same.

Ireland is one of the few countries calling out Israeli attrocities
Ireland "cannot accept the collective punishment of an entire population", Tánaiste Micheál Martin has said, as he called for Israel to rescind its order for 1.1 million people to evacuate north Gaza.

Speaking in Cork, the Foreign Affairs Minister said that "it simply isn't feasible that a million people can move out of a city in 24 hours" and that "two wrongs don't make a right", referring to Israel's retaliation to Hamas' attacks.
Israel is primed for a mass offensive and has lined up hundreds of thousands of soldiers.

Mr Martin said: "That call by Israel should be rescinded and should be pulled back because I think everybody knows it's not something that can be achieved at all. I think it puts enormous trauma on the ordinary civilians and Gazans. Two wrongs don't make a right.

"There's an obligation to protect civilians in Gaza, to protect children and families and so forth, and people who have nothing to do with Hamas.


There is more but I don't want to make this any longer. As always, check for sources before posting news as there has been a lot of disinformation and old pictures and video being reused.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    a bold strategy to open this thread while the D&D one is closed

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Israel is gonna try to do a genocide, in broad daylight, in the open air of Gaza, and tell the world to pitch in or fuck off.

    This is so fucked.

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    a bold strategy to open this thread while the D&D one is closed

    There are different levels of moderation across the two sub-forums.

    Some footage from a Gazan resident on the ground several days ago.

    https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1711581672460648901?s=20

    And footage of the devastation from The Guardian. This is from two or three days ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDxrum61wRo



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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880
    Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed, a new Dialog Center poll released on Thursday found.

    An overwhelming majority – 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country’s leadership, while a staggering 92% said the war is causing anxiety.

    Furthermore, almost all the respondents (94%) believe the government must bear some responsibility for the lack of security preparedness that led to the assault, with over 75% saying the government holds most of the responsibility.


    Netanyahu must resign after war's conclusion, Israelis say

    The survey, which polled 620 Israeli Jews from across the country, also found that a majority of respondents believed Netanyahu should resign following the conclusion of Operation Swords of Iron.

    Hopefully he’ll be out on his ass but the fucker keeps hanging on every other time you’d think he’d be out for the count

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    TefTef Registered User regular
    I feel like from the moment domestic and international forces decided that the socialist pan-ethnic dream for a single state was crushed, this was always the most likely outcome. I’m so sad for all the dead Israeli kids and for all the Palestinians who have died, will die, and for those will suffer terribly.

    I really hope countries that could stop this genocide would have the moral courage to do so, but I know that they won’t

    help a fellow forumer meet their mental health care needs because USA healthcare sucks!

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    It is horrifying to see this continue to happen and feel like there's nothing you can do but watch

    If you're sharing that feeling with me, maybe consider giving to https://www.map.org.uk/

    There are almost certainly other good orgs you can give to but that's the one that I've seen going around

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880
    Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed, a new Dialog Center poll released on Thursday found.

    An overwhelming majority – 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country’s leadership, while a staggering 92% said the war is causing anxiety.

    Furthermore, almost all the respondents (94%) believe the government must bear some responsibility for the lack of security preparedness that led to the assault, with over 75% saying the government holds most of the responsibility.


    Netanyahu must resign after war's conclusion, Israelis say

    The survey, which polled 620 Israeli Jews from across the country, also found that a majority of respondents believed Netanyahu should resign following the conclusion of Operation Swords of Iron.

    Hopefully he’ll be out on his ass but the fucker keeps hanging on every other time you’d think he’d be out for the count

    Well if they demand he resign only after Operation Swords of Iron (Christ in a cracker), I’m calling it now- it’s going to go on indefinitely

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    BREAKING: HUNDREDS were just arrested blockading [at]SenSchumer's street, including high profile public officials, rabbis, politicians, scholars, and descendants of holocaust survivors — ages 20 to 80.

    We demand an end to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. Never again is today.

    I wonder how the media will smear these protestors.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    I'm glad to see pushback in the US against this blatant attempt at genocide. I don't know if it'll amount to anything, but fuck if people don't gotta try to do something, anything to stop it.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular

    “You can’t cure killed babies with more dead babies. We need peace.”

    The son of a missing Israeli peace activist says that his mother would be mortified by the situation in Gaza, and that vengeance is not a strategy.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    At least 70 Palestinians are dead after Israeli warplanes bombed people trying to evacuate from northern Gaza, despite using routes identified by the IDF as safe. People are now afraid to even attempt to evacuate.

    The UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator has released a statement, saying "The past week has been a test for humanity, and humanity is failing."



    (Full statement in image under spoiler tag.)
    It’s been a dreadful week. Humanity must prevail.
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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    Yonah Lieberman, cofounder of the Jewish-American anti-apartheid organization If Not Now:


    Several of these verified photos show M825 and M825A1 artillery shells, which are also labelled D528, the US Department of Defense Identification Code (DODIC) for white phosphorus-based rounds.

    The United States sold Israel white phosphorous, which Israeli planes dropped onto civilian areas of Gaza. A war crime being funded by our tax dollars, justified by Jewish pain.

    Source is Amnesty International’s Citizen Evidence Lab:
    https://citizenevidence.org/2023/10/13/israel-opt-identifying-the-israeli-armys-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-gaza/

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Oh no those are for smoke screens the burning alive is incidental

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    The World Health Organization's statenant on the evacuation orders given to Gazan hospitals by Israel:

    Statement under spoiler tag for length:
    Evacuation orders by Israel to hospitals in northern Gaza are a death sentence for the sick and injured

    As the [at]UN's agency responsible for public health, the World Health Organization (WHO) strongly condemns Israel's repeated orders for the evacuation of 22 hospitals treating more than 2000 inpatients in northern Gaza. The forced evacuation of patients and health workers will further worsen the current humanitarian and public health catastrophe.

    The lives of many critically ill and fragile patients hang in the balance: those in intensive care or who rely on life support; patients undergoing hemodialysis; newborns in incubators; women with complications of pregnancy, and others all face imminent deterioration of their condition or death if they are forced to move and are cut off from life-saving medical attention while being evacuated.

    Health facilities in northern Gaza continue to receive an influx of injured patients and are struggling to operate beyond maximum capacity. Some patients are being treated in corridors and outdoors in surrounding streets due to a lack of hospital beds.

    Forcing more than 2000 patients to relocate to southern Gaza, where health facilities are already running at maximum capacity and unable to absorb a dramatic rise in the number patients, could be tantamount to a death sentence.

    Hospital directors and health workers are now facing an agonizing choice: abandon critically ill patients amid a bombing campaign, put their own lives at risk while remaining on site to treat patients, or endanger their patients’ lives while attempting to transport them to facilities that have no capacity to receive them.

    Overwhelmingly, caregivers have chosen to stay behind and honor their oaths as health professionals to “do no harm,” rather than risk moving their critically ill patients during evacuations. Health workers should never have to make such impossible choices.

    Additionally, tens of thousands of displaced people in northern Gaza are seeking refuge in open spaces in or around hospitals, treating them as havens from violence as well as to protect the facilities from potential attacks. Their lives, too, are at risk when health facilities are bombed.

    There are verified reports of deaths of health care workers and destruction of health facilities, which denies civilians the basic human right of life-saving health care and is prohibited under International Humanitarian Law.

    WHO calls for Israel to immediately reverse evacuation orders to hospitals in northern Gaza, and calls for the protection of health facilities, health workers, patients, and civilians.

    WHO also reiterates its calls for the immediate and safe delivery of medical supplies, fuel, clean water, food, and other humanitarian aid into Gaza through the Rafah crossing, where life-saving assistance, including WHO health supplies that arrived earlier today, is currently awaiting entry.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    If Not Now is a Jewish American anti-apartheid group:


    BREAKING: Jewish activist interrupts President Biden’s speech at @HRC calling for ceasefire in Gaza and protection of civilians

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    A 6-year old Palestinian American boy was stabbed to death in Illinois and his mother is in critical condition after their landlord attacked them in their home and yelled “you Muslims must die,” [at]CAIRNational says. https://www.cair.com/press_releases/breaking-cair-chicago-calls-for-hate-crime-charge-for-you-muslims-must-die-killing-of-palestinian-american-child/

    His name was Wadea Al-Fayoume.

    I have no words. I am empty. The only thing I have left is sadness.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    CNN interview with an IDF soldier whose mother was killed in the attacks, where he deliberately groups civilians in with Hamas as the “evil” that Israel is going to fight:

    Source is Abby D. Phillip of CNN Business:”, with an 8 minute approx. clip from CNN of her interview with IDF soldier Betzalel Taliyah:


    Transcripted segment starts at 4:02 on the clip:
    Abby Phillip: My understanding is that you are actively leading a number of soldiers in your community; tell us how you and your fellow soldiers are preparing for what your country is heading into right now, which could very well be a prolonged war with Hamas.

    Soldier Betzalel Talijah: I tried to correct you, the answer; the war is not just with Hamas, the war is with all the civilians who cannot see us as human beings, that want to kill us; because what I saw in there, that place near Gaza, civilians from Gaza, came on bicycles, on bicycles, to the kibbutz just to kill and destroy. It’s not just, you know, the people who are warriors of Hamas, I cannot even call them warriors that are not warriors, somebody that fights with kids and women is not a warrior, they’re not warriors. They’re nothing, they’re monsters, so monsters from Hamas, civilians from Hamas, they came and kill our people from Israel just because they are people… I think it’s a war between good and evil; this is what we’re preparing. A war between good and evil, a war with an enemy that has no mercy, have no ethical codes, have no codes at all; no mercy, kills kids, kills childs, kills babies, rape women. No respect for nobody, for old women; no respect for old people. No respect for little kids. This is the enemy that we are preparing for.

    There was no pushback on Talijah’s position that their war is with Palestinian Civilians.

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2023
    .

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    https://www.semafor.com/article/10/15/2023/wall-street-journal-reporters-split-over-iran-story
    The Wall Street Journal overrode some objections inside its own Washington bureau to publish an explosive, disputed Oct. 8 report that Iran “helped plan” last week’s attack by Hamas.

    The article cited senior members of Hamas and Iran-backed military group Hezbollah, as well as an adviser to Syria and a European official, who told the paper that Iranian security officials helped plan and ultimately greenlit the attack on Israel.

    The stakes of the story couldn’t be higher. A proven, direct Iranian role in the Hamas attack could trigger a broader regional war.

    Three people with knowledge of the situation told Semafor that before the story was published, veteran staffers on the national security team at the paper raised concerns about the story, which was written by three of the paper’s correspondents based in the Middle East. Reporters from the Washington, D.C. bureau said that they could not directly confirm the explosive string of allegations shared by their colleagues abroad, and sought more time before publication.

    Curiously, while reporters from the D.C. bureau contacted the White House for comment on the story, according to a person familiar with that element of the reporting, no Washington bylines appeared on the piece.

    A Wall Street Journal spokesperson rejected the notion that there was any internal friction over the publication of last week’s story. “We stand by our reporting,” a spokesperson for the paper said.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-15/ty-article/.premium/israeli-minister-seeks-to-imprison-citizens-who-harm-national-morale/0000018b-33a7-d0b2-afff-33e788c00000

    Ah I see the fascists are looking inward against dissent as well as trying to get their genocide on:
    Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi is promoting regulations that would allow him to direct police to arrest civilians, remove them from their homes, or seize their property if he believes they have spread information that could harm national morale or served as the basis for enemy propaganda.

    According to draft emergency regulations titled "Limiting Aid to the Enemy through Communication" drafted by the communications minister after consultation with National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, the jurisdiction to impose limitations on publications will be sweeping.

    It will apply to both the general public and the media, as well as both local and foreign media (in contrast to the stated objective to limit Al Jazeera). It will also apply to the publication of factually correct statements, at the minister's discretion.

    The draft was prepared under the government's jurisdiction to establish emergency regulations according to Section 39 of the Basic Law: The Government.
    The draft defines "aiding the enemy through communication" as the dissemination of information that "undermines the morale of Israel's soldiers and residents in the face of the enemy," or information that "serves as a basis for enemy propaganda, including the spreading of the enemy's propaganda messages," or information that "aids the enemy in its war against Israel, its residents, or Jews."

    The information covered by the regulations would include both visual and audio content, such as images and text. If the communications minister believes that their broadcast is aiding the enemy, he will be authorized to issue orders to stop the broadcast, orders to seize broadcast equipment, orders to remove a person from a specific area, and orders for law enforcement action in cases of violations of Penal Law Sections 103 (dissemination of subversive propaganda) or 134 (sedition publications).

    It should be noted that the draft regulations, as formulated by the communications minister, fully contradict Israel's democratic values and are unlikely to be approved by the government's legal counsel.


    Right wing ethnostates: not a great idea! Very fertile ground for fascist bastards!


    EDIT: copy paste error, also needed to add line breaks

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    Defeat the enemy by becoming them
    Truly a power move.

    edit: Just so there is no misreading that sarcasm was the merest hint of my seething, bitter rage at what is happening here.

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    And in the West Bank, The Guardian is reporting (based off Palestinian Health ministry numers) that 54 Palestinians were killed and over 1100 wounded in the last week. So the violence is not being restricted purely to Gaza.
    Beyond the closed checkpoints and the empty roads, residents across Ramallah feared the rising violence from the Israeli military and security forces, as well as some of the estimated 700,000 Israeli settlers spread across the area.

    The Palestinian health ministry said that 54 people, including children, had been killed with more than 1,100 injured in the West Bank since Hamas’s attack. Monitoring groups said the dead included minors shot in the head, chest or abdomen with live rounds.

    Fatal violence from Israeli settlers was twice caught on video last week. The Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem circulated footage of a settler in the village of At-Tuwani, to the south of Hebron, shoving a Palestinian man before shooting him at point blank range as the man dropped to his knees, with an Israel Defence Forces (IDF) soldier standing nearby.
    The day before, video footage showed armed Israeli settlers attacking the village of Qusra, south of Nablus. “Five settlers came into the village from the south-east. At least one of them had a gun. They went to the house of Awad Odeh, who was already killed by settlers in 2014,” said Abdul Azim al-Wadi, the leader of the village council.

    “They shot his son, Awad, and he is critically injured, and his eight-year-old daughter, who was injured in the shoulder. They were looking to kill – they aimed at the head. The villagers came out, and the IDF arrived too. They shot at the villagers,” he said. In total four were killed in the attack.

    Settlers also attacked the funeral procession in Qusra the following day. “My brother and my nephew were killed,” said Wadi.


    “They were clearing the road so the funeral procession could pass through and they were attacked by both the settlers and the IDF. They shot my brother Ibrahim Wadi and his son Ahmed in cold blood. I am at their funeral now,” he said, his voice strained with grief.

    And the next part is how part of how Palestinians are getting radicalised.
    Many across the West Bank bemoaned the sclerotic and ageing leadership of the Palestinian Authority, particularly its 87-year-old president, Mahmoud Abbas, who has been in power for almost two decades and has delayed multiple scheduled elections during that time.

    “If settlers attack Ramallah, the first people to protect them would be the Palestinian Authority,” said 24-year-old Ramez Abu Jaber from the Qaddura refugee camp, making avocado juice inside his shop near Ramallah’s Al Manara Square. “The Israeli military protects the settlers. But the Palestinian Authority protects them, not us.”

    He added: “If the Palestinian Authority can’t handle their obligations, they should leave and let people do their job – we can handle it.”

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    KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide


    I think DarkPrimus showed me this, it's a very good article. Good antidote to Biden's reversal of reality where committing genocide = stopping the Holocaust or whatever incoherent crap that monster is saying now.

    It's become quite clear that the Biden administration, and most of the American media, shares the Israeli view that Palestinians are not human beings.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    Kaputa wrote: »
    https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

    I think DarkPrimus showed me this, it's a very good article. Good antidote to Biden's reversal of reality where committing genocide = stopping the Holocaust or whatever incoherent crap that monster is saying now.

    It's become quite clear that the Biden administration, and most of the American media, shares the Israeli view that Palestinians are not human beings.

    Thank you for sharing that here, I couldn't remember if that was an article I had managed to share in the MENA thread or not (apparently not, since I shared it with you outside the thread).

    Jewish Currents has quite a few articles about the Israeli occupation worth reading, including this piece from September 20, weeks before the Hamas attacks: “Biden’s Legacy Will Be Apartheid”, and their regularly updated explainer on the Hamas attacks and Israeli response, which is my go-to for sharing with people who need some context for what is currently happening.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    I don't think that's really contributing anything useful, Brainleech

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular


    WALLACE SHAWN is inconceivably here at the White House with @IfNotNowOrg and @JvpAction demanding President Biden fight for a ceasefire and end the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.

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    Wallace Shawn continues to be a wonderful and amazing person

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    Co-founder of If Not Now:


    "I'm not crying for my parents - I am crying for those who will lose their lives in this war. We must stop the war."

    Powerful testimony from @maozinon on @BBCNews - just days after his parents, Bilha and Yakov, were killed by Hamas.

    For those not tracking, the internal dynamics in Israeli society are very tense. Right now, right-wing thugs are physically attacking anyone they identify as being against the war.

    Incredible courage to speak out so publicly with such moral clarity.

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    Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    My cousin was in Tel Aviv last week. He spent several days trying to get a flight out of Israel and finally landed in Spain on Sunday. I'm glad he's safe, but as someone who has spoken about the state of Palestine and the conditions forced upon people living in Gaza by the Israeli government, I am *not* a popular figure in my family right now. Fortunately my dad thinks along the same lines I do, but my mother's side of the family won't hear anything less than the dehumanizing of Palestinians. A whole lot of "Israel has to retaliate against HAMAS and the terrorists are hiding behind civilians, so any Palestinian civilians that die are actually victims of the terrorists too." And I am just so tired.

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    Wallace Shawn is a vocal Woody Allen defender. I'm glad he's on the right side here, but he's less wonderful than I would like

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/feb/02/wallace-shawn-woody-allen-miscarriage-of-justice

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Fig-D wrote: »
    My cousin was in Tel Aviv last week. He spent several days trying to get a flight out of Israel and finally landed in Spain on Sunday. I'm glad he's safe, but as someone who has spoken about the state of Palestine and the conditions forced upon people living in Gaza by the Israeli government, I am *not* a popular figure in my family right now. Fortunately my dad thinks along the same lines I do, but my mother's side of the family won't hear anything less than the dehumanizing of Palestinians. A whole lot of "Israel has to retaliate against HAMAS and the terrorists are hiding behind civilians, so any Palestinian civilians that die are actually victims of the terrorists too." And I am just so tired.

    If you need any tips on how best to burn bridges, I've got some advice and some gasoline.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Israel ordered everyone in the north of the Gaza strip to move to the south in order to be safe

    The BBCs Gaza correspondent reports that last night Israel bombed the south, killing 100 people who had obeyed the order and moved from the north to the south.

    CNN article about the same bombings
    In the early hours on Friday, Aaed Al-Ajrami and his nephew, Raji, received a phone call from an Israeli military official – warning him to get everyone he knows and head southwards immediately, the nephew told CNN. Despite following the instructions and successfully fleeing south of the evacuation zone, Aaed’s family was killed by an Israeli airstrike the next day.

    An audio recording of the phone call obtained by CNN reveals the details of the brief conversation – which included the IDF’s instructions to flee south of the evacuation zone and no guidance on how to get there. Raji said once they realized who was calling, they recorded the conversation so they could share it with other family members.

    “All of you go to the South. You and all your family members. Gather all of your stuff with you and head there,” the officer told them.

    Aaed wanted to know what road would be safe to take and what time they should leave.

    “It doesn’t matter which road,” the officer replied. “Do it as fast as you can. There is no time left.”

    Aaed heeded the warning. By sunrise on Friday, he headed south with his family and relatives to stay with friends in Deir Al Balah, a city roughly eight miles south of Wadi Gaza and outside the evacuation zone.

    The next day, an Israeli airstrike in the area destroyed parts of the building where Aaed’s family sought refuge – killing him and 12 other members of his family, including seven children.

    His nephew Raji, 32, was staying in a different building nearby when he heard the explosion and feared the worst. He rushed to the scene after receiving a call telling him that his uncle’s family members were amongst the victims.
    “These people all thought that they were finally safe and that nothing would happen in the area,” Raji said. “You can follow the orders so that you aren’t exposed to danger, but the danger will still reach you wherever you are.”
    Yara Alhayek, 22, told CNN that her family living in the north had nowhere to seek refuge if they headed south. “We couldn’t leave because there is no safe place to go to … it’s really dangerous if we leave our house, it’s really dangerous if we stay in our house, so we have no idea what to do.”

    These evacuation orders are hollow excuses for the IDF to try and claim any civilian causalities are the fault of people who didn't heed their warnings, but these bombings are indiscriminate and indefensible.

    But even manufacturing deniability when inflicting civilian casualties is only a secondary purpose for the mass evacuation. The main purpose is to claim more of Gaza for settlement. Bomb it all to rubble, then sweep the rubble away and let settlers move in. Ethnic cleansing.
    Interview with Israel minister-
    "Gaza must be smaller at the end of the war.. both the east & north have to lose territory. Losing land is a price that Arabs understand. They must pay the price. For them, human life or loss to property is less important"
    https://www.news.com.au/world/israeli-minister-losing-land-is-price-arabs-understand/video/ae361aa1f730d4979e05c2b47c980f0f

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    KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    Yeah. Hamas told Gazans not to abandon the north of the strip after Israel demanded evacuation. Israel's mouthpieces are trying to present Hamas's position as some cowardly attempt to force their subjects to be their human shields. In reality, Hamas, and the residents of the strip generally, know full well that if they leave their land, Israel will steal it. They're plenty familiar with how Israel operates.

    Israel did make it much easier to see this by indiscrimately bombing the south of the strip after some people followed their orders and evacuated.

    Today, Israel bombed a hospital in Gaza. Hundreds of deaths reported.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    State Department officials received an email to be cautious of thl language they use.
    As Israel escalates its attacks on Gaza, the State Department is discouraging diplomats working on Middle East issues from making public statements suggesting the U.S. wants to see less violence, according to internal emails viewed by HuffPost.

    In messages circulated on Friday, State Department staff wrote that high-level officials do not want press materials to include three specific phrases: “de-escalation/ceasefire,” “end to violence/bloodshed” and “restoring calm.”

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    That's very believable, but a source would be helpful.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    That's very believable, but a source would be helpful.

    If the source weren't anonymous they'd end up in Gitmo within hours.

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Added the article.

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    Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    That's very believable, but a source would be helpful.

    I've seen this story before from the Huffington Post.

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