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Infractions Making Mods Soft

DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited June 2007 in Tube's Circus Of Bug Reports and User Issues
There are a lot of things that used to be worthy of a perma-ban that happen quite regularly (being an ass in H/A, for example) now due to the fact that the user knows that they can get away with it at least once.

If that's intentional, it's not a problem, exactly. If we wanted people to not be douchebags, it kind of is. I'm assuming that this has been addressed in the mod forum, but it's kind of obnoxious to run into shit like this:

http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?p=1908096

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I do have to agree with Doc. The kind of things that got temp-bans before are now just getting 2 points, which by itself doesn't even equal jailing. I barely see anyone skip the points and go right to bans for anything besides sitewhoring. To that end, I've been seeing a lot more in the way of douchebaggery lately. Douchebags are starting to draw the conclusion that they can be douchebags and get away with it.

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    ClawshrimpyClawshrimpy Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The infractions sure have their merits, like it kinds stop things like the Zelda: TP thread having broken spoilers because a lot of people got jailed.at once. I'm not trying to rise up the drama from when that happened, but I like the fact that others won't suffer from the crimes of others like that again.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Being jailed no longer breaks BBCode, because it was recognized that it was a bigger inconvenience for everyone else than for the jailed.

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    ClawshrimpyClawshrimpy Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Being jailed no longer breaks BBCode, because it was recognized that it was a bigger inconvenience for everyone else than for the jailed.

    Thank god, because all those broken spoilers was just a terrible terrible mess.

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    His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I think that infractions are a double-edged sword. On the one hand there are cases, such as the one put forward by Doc, where people are "getting away" with stupid shit. On the other hand, I've noticed that some of the universally-recognised jackasses on the forum, who previously trod the line well-enough to not deserve a ban, are racking up infractions and getting their bans.

    It perhaps just needs a bit of fine-tuning, that's all.

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    EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Obs being a good example. Took way too many infractions for that guy to get tossed. How many was it? Like 8 or 9?

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    edited June 2007
    I have to say I really like the infraction system. I like having a more visible and (as far as I can tell) systematic approach to discipline.

    That said, I have to agree with Doc. Y'all have been unusually nice to repeat offenders recently.

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    yeah, i'd say they're good for a quick "no, grow up" warning, rather than instant jailing (although i believe i remember CT himself saying that he thought jailing was too soft to accomplish almost anything), but when i've seen people really go for it, they've ended up appropriately jailed or banned. Maybe a little fine-tuning to get the balance, but in general, i've seen it working quite well.

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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited June 2007
    It's certainly better than having it make mods hard.

    I uh... have nothing else to contribute really. I just go right for the report button whenever something annoys me enough and more often than not that makes it vanish without need for infraction or what-have-you.

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    FalxFalx Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Only thing it's teaching me is that apparently my idea of what constitutes a douchebag is radically different than most people's... I've seen people say things to other users here that makes me almost wish I was a mod just so I could let them have it...

    And then nobody says or does anything, including any mods who happen to be around... I dunno, maybe they're harmless comments and by some bizarre confluence of events I just happen to always be in an overly touchy mood whenever I see one.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    report button man. worst that can happen is we ignore it.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Obs being a good example. Took way too many infractions for that guy to get tossed. How many was it? Like 8 or 9?

    uh, 3.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    he has come back like several times as they wear off though, probably makes it look worse than it is.

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I really like the new system. The mods since Ramius became admin have been very good at cracking down on really over-the-top assholes. But there used to be tons of complete jerks around who made the forum a lot worse but never did anything quite "ban worthy" all at once. They have been whittled down quite rapidly by the infraction system. EG: MVMosin, Swimming Bird, electricmaji, BladeOfTheImmortal, Terrorbyte, Fawkes etc...

    Having a way to systematicially track these dicks has really helped out D&D in particular.

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    AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Cardboard Tube wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Obs being a good example. Took way too many infractions for that guy to get tossed. How many was it? Like 8 or 9?

    uh, 3.

    Banned 2 times, came back after he could post again and reeled in enough infractions to be banned again within 24 hours. I think most of us D&D'ers only noticed this is because he does most of his asshattery in the [chat]. :P

    Anyway, I don't think the mods have become weak or anything, but I do get the feeling that there are less temp-bans being handed out as of late. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. <_<>_>

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    RiemannLives wrote: »
    The mods since Ramius became admin

    oh since ramius became admin

    so that's how it is

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Cardboard Tube wrote: »
    RiemannLives wrote: »
    The mods since Ramius became admin

    oh since ramius became admin

    so that's how it is

    Well, I would include your tenure as El Presidente in that. EG: All the mods / admins since Ramius.

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    siliconenhancedsiliconenhanced __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2007
    RiemannLives wrote: »
    I really like the new system. The mods since Ramius became admin have been very good at cracking down on really over-the-top assholes. But there used to be tons of complete jerks around who made the forum a lot worse but never did anything quite "ban worthy" all at once. They have been whittled down quite rapidly by the infraction system. EG: MVMosin, Swimming Bird, electricmaji, BladeOfTheImmortal, Terrorbyte, Fawkes etc...

    Having a way to systematicially track these dicks has really helped out D&D in particular.

    How was Fawkes a dick?

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    SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Cardboard Tube wrote: »
    RiemannLives wrote: »
    The mods since Ramius became admin

    oh since ramius became admin

    so that's how it is

    1) Ramius has always been an admin so you're covered.

    2) You're no longer a mod, so you're not covered.

    PARADOX

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    siliconenhanced wrote: »
    RiemannLives wrote: »
    I really like the new system. The mods since Ramius became admin have been very good at cracking down on really over-the-top assholes. But there used to be tons of complete jerks around who made the forum a lot worse but never did anything quite "ban worthy" all at once. They have been whittled down quite rapidly by the infraction system. EG: MVMosin, Swimming Bird, electricmaji, BladeOfTheImmortal, Terrorbyte, Fawkes etc...

    Having a way to systematicially track these dicks has really helped out D&D in particular.

    How was Fawkes a dick?

    Not doing this here. Only warning.

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    SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    RiemannLives wrote: »
    I really like the new system. The mods since Ramius became admin have been very good at cracking down on really over-the-top assholes. But there used to be tons of complete jerks around who made the forum a lot worse but never did anything quite "ban worthy" all at once. They have been whittled down quite rapidly by the infraction system. EG: MVMosin, Swimming Bird, electricmaji, BladeOfTheImmortal, Terrorbyte, Fawkes etc...

    Having a way to systematicially track these dicks has really helped out D&D in particular.
    Casket was my favorite.

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    wavecutterwavecutter Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Being jailed no longer breaks BBCode, because it was recognized that it was a bigger inconvenience for everyone else than for the jailed.

    Being jailed should expose all spoilers to you. THAT would be punishment.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I think the 3 minute post timer and whatnot is punishment enough.

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I think that since BBCode is--justifiably--back, they should maybe up the post timer to 10-15 minutes.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    naporeon wrote: »
    I think that since BBCode is--justifiably--back, they should maybe up the post timer to 10-15 minutes.

    i second that.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    Yes, let's make the punishments more and more ludicrous and over the top. Truly, that will solve all our problems.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Never! I say we arrange to have anyone who gets jailed kidnapped and sent to fight in cages in a dingy basement. And then we put the video on youtube as an example to the others.

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Why am I suddenly reminded of sex offender laws?

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    I don't know. I never said anything about firing them into space...

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Cardboard Tube wrote: »
    Yes, let's make the punishments more and more ludicrous and over the top. Truly, that will solve all our problems.
    Glad you're on board.

    Is there an airlock we can jettison them out of?

    I get what you're saying, Tube.

    I don't have any real experience modding or adminning, so I readily admit that I might be really fucking off in my ideas about what would work.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Cardboard Tube wrote: »
    report button man. worst that can happen is we ignore it.

    I don't have a report button.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2007
    Yes, I'm particularly enamoured of that feature.

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The best punishment would be to force serious offenders to sincerely critique exceptionally bad furry art, then post that critique for all to see and poke fun at.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Cardboard Tube wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Obs being a good example. Took way too many infractions for that guy to get tossed. How many was it? Like 8 or 9?

    uh, 3.

    From the looks of it, it seems like Obs was just such a douche in so many places, there was no possible way he was UNDER the perma-ban limit. On top of that, the moderators probably couldn't pin down every offensive post the guy made.
    The best punishment would be to force serious offenders to sincerely critique exceptionally bad furry art, then post that critique for all to see and poke fun at.
    This is a serious forum, dude. The mods/admins generally don't like when people don't post with any sort of serious point. Just a fair warning.

    I for one love the new system. It helps with guys who would tow the line. It was like they would just say "I'm not touching you!" all day, hovering their finger a half inch from your face. Now, the mods don't have to wait for them to touch you, just grab their finger and go "Stop it."

    It may be a bit less harsh on some offenders, but overall I prefer this system. The assholes used to going as far as they can without crossing the line are now getting what they deserve.

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    agoajagoaj Top Tier One FearRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So what is the effect of Jailing if it doesn't break BB code anymore? Just the loss of sig and avatar?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Post timer goes up.

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    SegSeg Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Munkus Beaver wrote: »
    Post timer goes up.

    Also you can not start threads or edit your posts.

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    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2007
    Seg wrote: »
    Munkus Beaver wrote: »
    Post timer goes up.

    Also you can not start threads or edit your posts.

    Jesus fuck is that post timer a bitch when it's 2.5 minutes.

    Honestly, it's working. The people who should just be banned, get banned right away, because if it's that bad, mods skip the infractions. Or, if they rack up infractions really quick, they get perma-banned right when they come back because they continue the dipshit-ness.

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    gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    wavecutter wrote: »
    Being jailed should expose all spoilers to you. THAT would be punishment.
    Maybe being jailed should prevent all bbcode from displaying properly to the jailed poster (except, I suppose, in previews of their own posts). They can post bbcode that functions for everyone else, but they can't see it function on posts that they read. It would be a nice reversal from how things were before, where the punishment on jailed posters was exacted on everybody who tried to read their posts.

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    gtrmp wrote: »
    wavecutter wrote: »
    Being jailed should expose all spoilers to you. THAT would be punishment.
    Maybe being jailed should prevent all bbcode from displaying properly to the jailed poster (except, I suppose, in previews of their own posts). They can post bbcode that functions for everyone else, but they can't see it function on posts that they read. It would be a nice reversal from how things were before, where the punishment on jailed posters was exacted on everybody who tried to read their posts.

    Except then they will never know if they fail at bbcode.

    Really, it's best not to fuck with the bbcode at all.

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