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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Summs when are you planning your trip?

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    So is the complaint about darker media and storytelling specific to just the poorly executed ones, or a condemnation of the entire thing?

    I can't imagine a world without Eternal Sunshine or Bladerunner 2049.

    i like a story that has a darker edge, where the conflict has weight and success doesn't always feel inevitable

    i don't like "well actually everyone back then was a murdering rapist. that's just how society was" bullshit

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    i also don't like cartoonishly evil and invulnerable villains who always have the counter to whatever the hero tries already planned out and prepared for

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    JebusUD wrote: »
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Tumin wrote: »
    Arya Stark, the perfect heroine

    Of all the ways to kill the Night King.

    It feels like the showrunners had been reading all the thoughts, suggestions, discussions. Took a look at the multitude of ways and characters that could do it in possible good, narratively appropriate, and reasonable ways.

    Then decided 'hah fuck the viewers, lets go with the curve ball they will NEVER see coming'. Because it makes no narrative sense. I guess without it the whole Arya plot is basically a shaggy dog story, but you can come up with something better than that to conclude the entire main story thread / existential threat.

    The Bran plot is a shaggy dog story
    100% it should have been he used his mind control time travel powers to put all these events into motion, making the mad king mad, sacrificing basically everything and destroying a ton of peoples lives, because it was the only way to bring enough people together to stop the Night King. The only path that worked. instead that all just gets basically thrown out and he becomes king because I guess he had to do something.

    Mmm
    Too Leto II
    2 Leto 2 Furious

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    i also don't like cartoonishly evil and invulnerable villains who always have the counter to whatever the hero tries already planned out and prepared for

    Have you considered that this was all according to keikaku

  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    TN*: Keikaku means plan

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    i also don't like cartoonishly evil and invulnerable villains who always have the counter to whatever the hero tries already planned out and prepared for

    Just like that WW2 comic, whose unofficial name is "HOWEVER" for all the reversals that happen.

  • Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 What are you? Some kind of half-assed astronaut?Registered User regular
    You at least gotta let your audience come up for air. if it’s all relentless horror and misery that’s not good storytelling, that’s trauma porn

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    Summs when are you planning your trip?

    April-May? General spring-summer.

  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I don’t want to jump in defense of all crippled kids here but Bran has pretty good values

    PSN: Honkalot
  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Like when looking at the books verse the show:

    Spoilers for both:
    Sam's story in the books is fantastic. It is a man who was told he was nothing a failure finding himself. Learning not to just love himself but also become a strong respected person. Deeply loving and caring for someone else. And in many ways becoming what he always wanted to become. His story in the show feels like the same outline but not the same impact.

    Or John. Who dies. And comes back. And by the end of the books out feels like the epic hero. He is strong willed and much like his step father in how he treats his men. But also has learned the hard way that you don't always have honor. And in the end he is more loyal to his men and his job than honor. But in the good way.

    Or Tyrion. I loved Dinklage. He was great. But Tyrion by the end is a god damn hero. No matter what. You can see it in how he acts. He has grown so much in the books but was always not a bad person but he was a competent person.

    I think also Robb's story is much better in the books. His stupid falling in love with another lord's daughter while healing. His stupid actions because of it. But it wasn't out of left field. It was still a noble. And the insult was so straight forward it was hard miss. And the Frays were always dicks. But you also get like Lady Stoneheart out of it.

    The books are dark but still way better than the show.

    The last thing I remember from the book is Tyrion wandering around looking for Whore Island.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    I don’t want to jump in defense of all crippled kids here but Bran has pretty good values

    Does the Three Eyed Raven tho

  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    jrcs4d8lcu0d.jpeg

  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    Pictures taken moments before disaster

  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Like when looking at the books verse the show:

    Spoilers for both:
    Sam's story in the books is fantastic. It is a man who was told he was nothing a failure finding himself. Learning not to just love himself but also become a strong respected person. Deeply loving and caring for someone else. And in many ways becoming what he always wanted to become. His story in the show feels like the same outline but not the same impact.

    Or John. Who dies. And comes back. And by the end of the books out feels like the epic hero. He is strong willed and much like his step father in how he treats his men. But also has learned the hard way that you don't always have honor. And in the end he is more loyal to his men and his job than honor. But in the good way.

    Or Tyrion. I loved Dinklage. He was great. But Tyrion by the end is a god damn hero. No matter what. You can see it in how he acts. He has grown so much in the books but was always not a bad person but he was a competent person.

    I think also Robb's story is much better in the books. His stupid falling in love with another lord's daughter while healing. His stupid actions because of it. But it wasn't out of left field. It was still a noble. And the insult was so straight forward it was hard miss. And the Frays were always dicks. But you also get like Lady Stoneheart out of it.

    The books are dark but still way better than the show.

    The last thing I remember from the book is Tyrion wandering around looking for Whore Island.

    A noble quest

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  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    Im about to destroy this buffets whole bottom line

  • Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 What are you? Some kind of half-assed astronaut?Registered User regular
    I just assumed that Bran had largely disassociated by the end of the series.

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    Whore island was King's Landing all along

  • GethGeth Legion Perseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
    This thread is no longer active, and will be recycled.
    On average, this thread was careening by at warp 0.9

    @RMS Oceanic will create the new thread
    @RMS Oceanic is backup

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