So is the complaint about darker media and storytelling specific to just the poorly executed ones, or a condemnation of the entire thing?
I can't imagine a world without Eternal Sunshine or Bladerunner 2049.
i like a story that has a darker edge, where the conflict has weight and success doesn't always feel inevitable
i don't like "well actually everyone back then was a murdering rapist. that's just how society was" bullshit
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
i also don't like cartoonishly evil and invulnerable villains who always have the counter to whatever the hero tries already planned out and prepared for
It feels like the showrunners had been reading all the thoughts, suggestions, discussions. Took a look at the multitude of ways and characters that could do it in possible good, narratively appropriate, and reasonable ways.
Then decided 'hah fuck the viewers, lets go with the curve ball they will NEVER see coming'. Because it makes no narrative sense. I guess without it the whole Arya plot is basically a shaggy dog story, but you can come up with something better than that to conclude the entire main story thread / existential threat.
The Bran plot is a shaggy dog story
100% it should have been he used his mind control time travel powers to put all these events into motion, making the mad king mad, sacrificing basically everything and destroying a ton of peoples lives, because it was the only way to bring enough people together to stop the Night King. The only path that worked. instead that all just gets basically thrown out and he becomes king because I guess he had to do something.
Mmm
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2 Leto 2 Furious
and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
but they're listening to every word I say
i also don't like cartoonishly evil and invulnerable villains who always have the counter to whatever the hero tries already planned out and prepared for
Have you considered that this was all according to keikaku
i also don't like cartoonishly evil and invulnerable villains who always have the counter to whatever the hero tries already planned out and prepared for
Just like that WW2 comic, whose unofficial name is "HOWEVER" for all the reversals that happen.
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Havelock2.0What are you?Some kind of half-assed astronaut?Registered Userregular
You at least gotta let your audience come up for air. if it’s all relentless horror and misery that’s not good storytelling, that’s trauma porn
You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
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SummaryJudgmentGrab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front doorRegistered Userregular
Sam's story in the books is fantastic. It is a man who was told he was nothing a failure finding himself. Learning not to just love himself but also become a strong respected person. Deeply loving and caring for someone else. And in many ways becoming what he always wanted to become. His story in the show feels like the same outline but not the same impact.
Or John. Who dies. And comes back. And by the end of the books out feels like the epic hero. He is strong willed and much like his step father in how he treats his men. But also has learned the hard way that you don't always have honor. And in the end he is more loyal to his men and his job than honor. But in the good way.
Or Tyrion. I loved Dinklage. He was great. But Tyrion by the end is a god damn hero. No matter what. You can see it in how he acts. He has grown so much in the books but was always not a bad person but he was a competent person.
I think also Robb's story is much better in the books. His stupid falling in love with another lord's daughter while healing. His stupid actions because of it. But it wasn't out of left field. It was still a noble. And the insult was so straight forward it was hard miss. And the Frays were always dicks. But you also get like Lady Stoneheart out of it.
The books are dark but still way better than the show.
The last thing I remember from the book is Tyrion wandering around looking for Whore Island.
Sam's story in the books is fantastic. It is a man who was told he was nothing a failure finding himself. Learning not to just love himself but also become a strong respected person. Deeply loving and caring for someone else. And in many ways becoming what he always wanted to become. His story in the show feels like the same outline but not the same impact.
Or John. Who dies. And comes back. And by the end of the books out feels like the epic hero. He is strong willed and much like his step father in how he treats his men. But also has learned the hard way that you don't always have honor. And in the end he is more loyal to his men and his job than honor. But in the good way.
Or Tyrion. I loved Dinklage. He was great. But Tyrion by the end is a god damn hero. No matter what. You can see it in how he acts. He has grown so much in the books but was always not a bad person but he was a competent person.
I think also Robb's story is much better in the books. His stupid falling in love with another lord's daughter while healing. His stupid actions because of it. But it wasn't out of left field. It was still a noble. And the insult was so straight forward it was hard miss. And the Frays were always dicks. But you also get like Lady Stoneheart out of it.
The books are dark but still way better than the show.
The last thing I remember from the book is Tyrion wandering around looking for Whore Island.
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i like a story that has a darker edge, where the conflict has weight and success doesn't always feel inevitable
i don't like "well actually everyone back then was a murdering rapist. that's just how society was" bullshit
but they're listening to every word I say
Have you considered that this was all according to keikaku
Just like that WW2 comic, whose unofficial name is "HOWEVER" for all the reversals that happen.
April-May? General spring-summer.
The last thing I remember from the book is Tyrion wandering around looking for Whore Island.
Does the Three Eyed Raven tho
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