That's how you make a good stock you fuckin' - shit what's the appropriate insult here - English!
Bones are more expensive than they used to be since most places won't have on-site butchers looking to discard bones, but you can still get them at reasonable prices.
My local crappy safeway sells beef bones for $3.99 for 2 pounds, while 32 ounces of crappy stock is $3.59
All the rest of those ingredients are already going to be in any french kitchen.
You don't have to put in the extra time and work to make it perfectly, but Julia Childs version is gonna be better than yours.
Bay leaves especially need to be simmered for quite a while before you'll notice them. Long cooking times increase their flavor impact, not reduce it.
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hmmm while i'm already going all the way to kansas city- not knowing when i'll have another stretch of unemployment and gas will be cheap- i'm considering going to either minneapolis or chicago before driving back to denver. surely i can eat my way all the way across america before i get a new job.
The interesting thing about the idea of "cheap cuts" of meat is that it doesn't really exist anymore
In the UK at least, butchery happens way further up the production chain than the retail outlet, and anything that isn't one of the popular cuts that can be nicely packaged and sold in volume is exported to markets where its more popular or sold into processed food production supply chains
This goes for bones, too, typically
I do wonder how different the US is in this regard, since it's not immediately adjacent to a wide variety of export markets with wildly different consumer preferences in the way most Euro countries are
Also for the record I buy my bay leaves from the Polish section, where they're sold in light tight bags five times the size of the otherwise typical dinky jar, for half the price
Which also means you can use them by handful if you like
Also for the record I buy my bay leaves from the Polish section, where they're sold in light tight bags five times the size of the otherwise typical dinky jar, for half the price
Which also means you can use them by handful if you like
quick everyone post your spices and herbs while the mods are sleeping
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The interesting thing about the idea of "cheap cuts" of meat is that it doesn't really exist anymore
In the UK at least, butchery happens way further up the production chain than the retail outlet, and anything that isn't one of the popular cuts that can be nicely packaged and sold in volume is exported to markets where its more popular or sold into processed food production supply chains
This goes for bones, too, typically
I do wonder how different the US is in this regard, since it's not immediately adjacent to a wide variety of export markets with wildly different consumer preferences in the way most Euro countries are
No such thing as cheap cuts out here. Even chuck is expensive. Flank more so.
The interesting thing about the idea of "cheap cuts" of meat is that it doesn't really exist anymore
In the UK at least, butchery happens way further up the production chain than the retail outlet, and anything that isn't one of the popular cuts that can be nicely packaged and sold in volume is exported to markets where its more popular or sold into processed food production supply chains
This goes for bones, too, typically
I do wonder how different the US is in this regard, since it's not immediately adjacent to a wide variety of export markets with wildly different consumer preferences in the way most Euro countries are
No such thing as cheap cuts out here. Even chuck is expensive. Flank more so.
Even bones are like $2.00 a pound.
Ridiculous.
Yeah I suspect in the US it's more of a matter of anything which isn't a high-margin retail product going instead in bulk into the processed food industry
It's interesting because it's very much a boomerism to be like "economise by buying a cheap cut of beef and making stew" when really the only context that you can find traditionally cheap cuts is one where its being presented as a high margin product catering to people doing hobby-adjacent traditional cookery
Also for the record I buy my bay leaves from the Polish section, where they're sold in light tight bags five times the size of the otherwise typical dinky jar, for half the price
Which also means you can use them by handful if you like
quick everyone post your spices and herbs while the mods are sleeping
I also like East End for doing spices in decent bulk packaging
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I’ve come to the realization that nobody builds brick houses anymore. Single family houses I mean. It’s 90% wood and like 10% prefab concrete modules from the looks of things walking around.
I’m guessing brick is expensive and or environmentally worse?
Also for the record I buy my bay leaves from the Polish section, where they're sold in light tight bags five times the size of the otherwise typical dinky jar, for half the price
Which also means you can use them by handful if you like
quick everyone post your spices and herbs while the mods are sleeping
mostly salt, black pepper, onion, garlic, cayenne, basil, "vegetable spice mix," melange, moon sugar, that sort of thing
I’ve come to the realization that nobody builds brick houses anymore. Single family houses I mean. It’s 90% wood and like 10% prefab concrete modules from the looks of things walking around.
I’m guessing brick is expensive and or environmentally worse?
iirc the main thing is that it's not nearly as earthquake-proof
edit: actually looked it up, and it is slightly more expensive but also eco-friendlier than wood or concrete
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I’ve come to the realization that nobody builds brick houses anymore. Single family houses I mean. It’s 90% wood and like 10% prefab concrete modules from the looks of things walking around.
I’m guessing brick is expensive and or environmentally worse?
iirc the main thing is that it's not nearly as earthquake-proof
edit: actually looked it up, and it is slightly more expensive but also eco-friendlier than wood or concrete
Earthquake-proofing wouldn’t matter here in Sweden. Hmm I wonder then what the reason is. I quickly browsed house builder sites now and can’t find any models at all. And walking around there are no brick buildings at all past like 1990, I do mean zero. I’ve been looking around for quite a while.
@japan watching a tv show where a bunch of british sailors are killed in a terrorist attack. some of the flags are the union jack but others are the union jack set into a quadrant of saint george's cross. if you saw this would you assume all the victims were english and not scottish, northern irish etc? or does england just get primacy in military matters, matters of protocol etc?
should i be mad on behalf of the non-english UK, white knighting against this tv show
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or no one in the region makes bricks and no one can be arsed to haul them
Yeah I used to know the location of one brick burner factory but it’s been closed for like 25 years now. I think that’s proof enough I guess.
I do like the aesthetics. All of these wooden prefabs look like essentially the same mcmansion style. Fairly hideous. So I was wondering sort of how come people knew how to build pretty houses decades ago but now they can’t. Or people just don’t have good taste and select these models even though other styles exist. Idk
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I think that’s an old Royal Navy flag but I don’t know what if anything it means.
@japan watching a tv show where a bunch of british sailors are killed in a terrorist attack. some of the flags are the union jack but others are the union jack set into a quadrant of saint george's cross. if you saw this would you assume all the victims were english and not scottish, northern irish etc? or does england just get primacy in military matters, matters of protocol etc?
should i be mad on behalf of the non-english UK, white knighting against this tv show
It's to distinguish royal navy ships from British flagged ships generally, so it's not specifically an English flag. It dates back to the age of sail when there were three variations which were predominantly red, white, and blue to distinguish ships of the three royal navy commands, but only the white is still used
I ordered ball bearings from ebay for paint mixing purposes so I've just got a jiffy bag through the door containing 100 loose 6mm ball bearings, no other packaging
Gotta differenciate between the load bearing construction and the facade.
for load bearing wooden frame constructions are (mostly probably) more environmentally friendly than bricks (probably mostly sand-lome bricks) or concrete and also the frame construction allows for more insulation at comparable thickness of the walls. I don't think anyone is still building full on classical, monolythic brick walls anymore. way too labour intensive and shitty insulation properties.
the actual facade on top of the walls is mostly a question of money. facing masonry bricks are comparatively expensive. but wooden curtain wall facades aren't exactly cheap either. what you mostly see on prefabs is probably thermal insulation composite systems, plaster directly on top of some kind of insulation material.
big plus of the brick facades is that they kinda last forever and don't need as much maintenance as wooden facades. And with wooden facades the question of ecological friendliness is extremely dependent on how the wood is treated. ranging from just something like heat treated, to ecological friendly paints, to hazardous waste.
Labour's gotten way more expensive over the last decades, building physics and build laws have gotten way more complex, and people just don't have as much money comparatively to buy houses, so for many who want a new house, cheap prefab from the factory without a dedicated architectural design it is.
Gotta differenciate between the load bearing construction and the facade.
for load bearing wooden frame constructions are (mostly probably) more environmentally friendly than bricks (probably mostly sand-lome bricks) or concrete and also the frame construction allows for more insulation at comparable thickness of the walls. I don't think anyone is still building full on classical, monolythic brick walls anymore. way too labour intensive and shitty insulation properties.
the actual facade on top of the walls is mostly a question of money. facing masonry bricks are comparatively expensive. but wooden curtain wall facades aren't exactly cheap either. what you mostly see on prefabs is probably thermal insulation composite systems, plaster directly on top of some kind of insulation material.
big plus of the brick facades is that they kinda last forever and don't need as much maintenance as wooden facades. And with wooden facades the question of ecological friendliness is extremely dependent on how the wood is treated. ranging from just something like heat treated, to ecological friendly paints, to hazardous waste.
Labour's gotten way more expensive over the last decades, building physics and build laws have gotten way more complex, and people just don't have as much money comparatively to buy houses, so for many who want a new house, cheap prefab from the factory without a dedicated architectural design it is.
That’s very interesting to me thank you!
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i much prefer the prefab-y style house but that's probably coming from somewhere where there's thousands brick style buildings that are a century old and run down and only getting worse because people who bought the houses in the 80s can't afford to do them up and no one new can afford to move in and do them up because of the rising house prices so they all get bought out by landlords who squeeze as many people into them as possible
i grew up on a terraced street just outside of town and when i go down there now, none of the houses look good even though they're all going for half a million each
like this place is €450,000!!
please sir, may i have a crumb of vertical density
on the architect's side: designing small single family homes is extremely difficult to do economically. Running an office solely on that is almost impossible.
i much prefer the prefab-y style house but that's probably coming from somewhere where there's thousands brick style buildings that are a century old and run down and only getting worse because people who bought the houses in the 80s can't afford to do them up and no one new can afford to move in and do them up because of the rising house prices so they all get bought out by landlords who squeeze as many people into them as possible
i grew up on a terraced street just outside of town and when i go down there now, none of the houses look good even though they're all going for half a million each
like this place is €450,000!!
please sir, may i have a crumb of vertical density
and probably needs 50% on top of that for energy-oriented refurbishment and a second floor
Usually if you see houses going up it's: wood frame, a couple of hundred mm of insulation, tyvek, then a brick skin
My in laws live in an eighteenth century conversion and it's very much been done on the principle of just building another timber frame house inside the stone built shell so it can be properly insulated, but it means all the external walls are like 600mm thick at least from the exterior face to the inner plastering
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i much prefer the prefab-y style house but that's probably coming from somewhere where there's thousands brick style buildings that are a century old and run down and only getting worse because people who bought the houses in the 80s can't afford to do them up and no one new can afford to move in and do them up because of the rising house prices so they all get bought out by landlords who squeeze as many people into them as possible
i grew up on a terraced street just outside of town and when i go down there now, none of the houses look good even though they're all going for half a million each
like this place is €450,000!!
please sir, may i have a crumb of vertical density
and probably needs 50% on top of that for energy-oriented refurbishment and a second floor
you can't put a second floor on them, the city council won't approve it
the whole area is just single storey red brick terraces (because they could throw them up easily and cheaply back in the early 1900s)
the energy rating is a c3 so like not amazing but not terrible considering the scale does to a G (which i think is like, "this place doesn't have a ceiling so it might not retain heat well")
i will say the location is very central (like a ten minute walk to the city centre) but i'm not sure how much that's worth when we've got very efficient transport into the city. The issue is getting anywhere that's not the city
probably helps the energy rating that they're very compact and share walls.
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I showered my dog last night.
He was too mad to stay still for a picture.
I’m pooping right now and he is post walk, wandering around.
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Lot sizes and decisions for what you can build are on a county level here. I know it to be fairly restrictive in certain areas and the opposite in others. Depending on who’s in charge of local politics.
Here where we live by the looks of things it’s pretty freeform. There are tiny plots barely able to fit the house that’s on it. So you get a very tightly built neighborhood. Though prices are wild of course. The cheapest plot here is 10k sqft and €300k.
E: It’s not the smallest plot, to be clear. It seems pretty rough terrain which might be why it’s cheaper.
For definitions of cheap
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Lot sizes and decisions for what you can build are on a county level here. I know it to be fairly restrictive in certain areas and the opposite in others. Depending on who’s in charge of local politics.
Here where we live by the looks of things it’s pretty freeform. There are tiny plots barely able to fit the house that’s on it. So you get a very tightly built neighborhood. Though prices are wild of course. The cheapest plot here is 10k sqft and €300k.
E: It’s not the smallest plot, to be clear. It seems pretty rough terrain which might be why it’s cheaper.
For definitions of cheap
You can build a big house on 10k sqft if you want. Heck my house has more livable sqft than my lot size (2 story).
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Housebuilders here seem very wedded to the suburban model of single detached houses on individual plots, but then squeeze as many as possible into small spaces and end up as relatively pokey dwellings with very small rooms and gardens best described as "vestigial"
I've often wondered what the market performance would be of larger flats in the same footprint, maybe with some shared green space
That exists, and people buy them, but they're only really available in old (100+ year old) buildings which comes with a load of trade offs in terms of energy use, noise, etc
I think it's one of these things where the developers are catering to what people think they want as opposed to what they need
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The D&D movie was a lot of fun.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
@bloodyroarxx I'm with you on that.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Bones are more expensive than they used to be since most places won't have on-site butchers looking to discard bones, but you can still get them at reasonable prices.
My local crappy safeway sells beef bones for $3.99 for 2 pounds, while 32 ounces of crappy stock is $3.59
All the rest of those ingredients are already going to be in any french kitchen.
You don't have to put in the extra time and work to make it perfectly, but Julia Childs version is gonna be better than yours.
Bay leaves especially need to be simmered for quite a while before you'll notice them. Long cooking times increase their flavor impact, not reduce it.
In the UK at least, butchery happens way further up the production chain than the retail outlet, and anything that isn't one of the popular cuts that can be nicely packaged and sold in volume is exported to markets where its more popular or sold into processed food production supply chains
This goes for bones, too, typically
I do wonder how different the US is in this regard, since it's not immediately adjacent to a wide variety of export markets with wildly different consumer preferences in the way most Euro countries are
Which also means you can use them by handful if you like
I adore Omega Mart. Look up their training videos, too!
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
quick everyone post your spices and herbs while the mods are sleeping
No such thing as cheap cuts out here. Even chuck is expensive. Flank more so.
Even bones are like $2.00 a pound.
Ridiculous.
Yeah I suspect in the US it's more of a matter of anything which isn't a high-margin retail product going instead in bulk into the processed food industry
It's interesting because it's very much a boomerism to be like "economise by buying a cheap cut of beef and making stew" when really the only context that you can find traditionally cheap cuts is one where its being presented as a high margin product catering to people doing hobby-adjacent traditional cookery
I also like East End for doing spices in decent bulk packaging
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/264932201
I’m guessing brick is expensive and or environmentally worse?
mostly salt, black pepper, onion, garlic, cayenne, basil, "vegetable spice mix," melange, moon sugar, that sort of thing
iirc the main thing is that it's not nearly as earthquake-proof
edit: actually looked it up, and it is slightly more expensive but also eco-friendlier than wood or concrete
Earthquake-proofing wouldn’t matter here in Sweden. Hmm I wonder then what the reason is. I quickly browsed house builder sites now and can’t find any models at all. And walking around there are no brick buildings at all past like 1990, I do mean zero. I’ve been looking around for quite a while.
or no one in the region makes bricks and no one can be arsed to haul them
should i be mad on behalf of the non-english UK, white knighting against this tv show
Yeah I used to know the location of one brick burner factory but it’s been closed for like 25 years now. I think that’s proof enough I guess.
I do like the aesthetics. All of these wooden prefabs look like essentially the same mcmansion style. Fairly hideous. So I was wondering sort of how come people knew how to build pretty houses decades ago but now they can’t. Or people just don’t have good taste and select these models even though other styles exist. Idk
That's the white ensign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ensign
It's to distinguish royal navy ships from British flagged ships generally, so it's not specifically an English flag. It dates back to the age of sail when there were three variations which were predominantly red, white, and blue to distinguish ships of the three royal navy commands, but only the white is still used
Guess how I found that out
for load bearing wooden frame constructions are (mostly probably) more environmentally friendly than bricks (probably mostly sand-lome bricks) or concrete and also the frame construction allows for more insulation at comparable thickness of the walls. I don't think anyone is still building full on classical, monolythic brick walls anymore. way too labour intensive and shitty insulation properties.
the actual facade on top of the walls is mostly a question of money. facing masonry bricks are comparatively expensive. but wooden curtain wall facades aren't exactly cheap either. what you mostly see on prefabs is probably thermal insulation composite systems, plaster directly on top of some kind of insulation material.
big plus of the brick facades is that they kinda last forever and don't need as much maintenance as wooden facades. And with wooden facades the question of ecological friendliness is extremely dependent on how the wood is treated. ranging from just something like heat treated, to ecological friendly paints, to hazardous waste.
Labour's gotten way more expensive over the last decades, building physics and build laws have gotten way more complex, and people just don't have as much money comparatively to buy houses, so for many who want a new house, cheap prefab from the factory without a dedicated architectural design it is.
That’s very interesting to me thank you!
i grew up on a terraced street just outside of town and when i go down there now, none of the houses look good even though they're all going for half a million each
like this place is €450,000!!
please sir, may i have a crumb of vertical density
and probably needs 50% on top of that for energy-oriented refurbishment and a second floor
Usually if you see houses going up it's: wood frame, a couple of hundred mm of insulation, tyvek, then a brick skin
My in laws live in an eighteenth century conversion and it's very much been done on the principle of just building another timber frame house inside the stone built shell so it can be properly insulated, but it means all the external walls are like 600mm thick at least from the exterior face to the inner plastering
you can't put a second floor on them, the city council won't approve it
the whole area is just single storey red brick terraces (because they could throw them up easily and cheaply back in the early 1900s)
the energy rating is a c3 so like not amazing but not terrible considering the scale does to a G (which i think is like, "this place doesn't have a ceiling so it might not retain heat well")
i will say the location is very central (like a ten minute walk to the city centre) but i'm not sure how much that's worth when we've got very efficient transport into the city. The issue is getting anywhere that's not the city
He was too mad to stay still for a picture.
I’m pooping right now and he is post walk, wandering around.
Here where we live by the looks of things it’s pretty freeform. There are tiny plots barely able to fit the house that’s on it. So you get a very tightly built neighborhood. Though prices are wild of course. The cheapest plot here is 10k sqft and €300k.
E: It’s not the smallest plot, to be clear. It seems pretty rough terrain which might be why it’s cheaper.
For definitions of cheap
I've often wondered what the market performance would be of larger flats in the same footprint, maybe with some shared green space
That exists, and people buy them, but they're only really available in old (100+ year old) buildings which comes with a load of trade offs in terms of energy use, noise, etc
I think it's one of these things where the developers are catering to what people think they want as opposed to what they need
You mean I might have to socialise with my neighbours?