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[NFL] Thread: Burt Favor Did, In Fact, Take A Dive For Strahan
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Yeah I agree with this, it's house money now. I was kinda already there for the Bucs game but losing at home would have been mildly embarassing. At this point they could lose 50-0 to SF and I wouldn't be too upset.
And probably won't be close. Considering how shitty our run stopping, especially inside the tackles, was last night, unless Lamar slips and falls on his own dick, we're going to get pounded into submission like a drum.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
A safety only happens because the offense intentionally moved the ball out of the field of play and into their own endzone. And they have been driven off the field of play by the defense so the defense is given an award for their good play. Just as a touchdown is awarded for the offense's good play. A fumble by definition has no player controlling where it goes so there is no intentionality to the play, and attempting to make it intentional is a penalty. Nor is there any intentional action done by the defense to claim possession (recovering the fumble). Nor did the fumble actually occur in the endzone to make it "unique". In this particular case and unlike a safety the defense is given an award for essentially doing nothing. And the only time the defense is given this award for an OOB fumble is after they have nearly failed and been driven completely off the field by the offense. I'm saying a fumble that goes out of the endzone by the offense, because the fumble happens in the field of play and not actually in the endzone, should simply be treated like all other fumbles in the field of play.
I don't see how intention matters in a fumble. End zones can be special. You send the ball out of play at the endline in association football and the defending team gets a goal kick instead of a normal inbounds play.
Intentionality matters to the people making the rules since it's a penalty to intentionally swat a fumbled ball out of bounds to your advantage.
Yes, and in this case possession is undetermined because the ball was never recovered in the endzone or otherwise. So yes, I agree it should default back to the offense like it does in other cases.
The fumble never occurs in the endzone.
It can occur in the offense's own end zone.
Do not engage the Watermelons.
I think we have reached the point where we all understand each other and just don't agree on the matter.
With less competent coaching (so the Lions normal), you get more holes cause marginal guys don’t improve their performance enough to be functional, yeah
But but
The question is if they’re still drafting marginal guys and coaching them up where they couldn’t before or they’re also drafting better than league-worst like before
We aren't talking about safety's here. But yes that can result in a safety because the offense intentionally (the rules use the word impetus, but same thing) took the ball into their own end zone and if it is not recovered, the spot where the ball is down is where they last possessed it in the endzone. Technically it could be spotted further back if it went OOB backwards, but it's all endzone so that's moot. The ball being spotted down in the endzone is what creates the actual safety, not that it was fumbled or went out of bounds there except in that those determine the spot.
Not a lot of Teez Tabors on this roster. Guys who looked athletic but sucked at actual football. Prior Lions regimes would draft like, Steele Chambers in the first round.
In 2012 50% of the Lions cap was going to those 3 plus Vanden Bosch.
In 2014 Suh had the highest cap number in the league
I think Teez was actually pretty slow for a corner. It was a case of Quinn saying the tape is more important than measureables. A lot fo the 'Patriot' type of players on defense were slow. Bill Belichick can build an elite defense out of other people's scraps, but his assistants can't, and there's no reason to build with scraps if you have actual good draft position.
He sucked in college. Just routinely torched.
booooooo
niners aren't the bad guys anymore
now you have to root against the ravens and lions as a matter or principle
Did the Niners cut Bosa or something?
Cut him a 170 million dollar check!
Oh, wait, you mean....uh, no
championship carpetbaggers are the worst
obj, dalvin cook, zach ertz....
Kevin Durant
this is the football thread
He's the only one I really dislike...but that's cause the GSW are heinous
Just curious, who else would you like them to sign? We're down to 1 TE (LaPorta) on the team. Our TE's coach apparently was on the Eagles when Ertz was there.
Considering how non-existent he's be once he got paid, you could convince me he had been.
Why then can't the defense also be awarded for forcing the ball out of the end zone behind them?
He's preparing to coast into a talking head gig as the Pat MacAfee for non-closeted Neo Nazis.
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buncha fair weather fans rooting for fair weather players
A punt is choosing to give the ball away and cannot be recovered by the kicking team. Even if kicked out of bounds pre-fourth down. A kick-off is by rule giving the ball away after a point has been scored or to start a period of play. It can be recovered by the kicking team.
Neither of those is like a fumble touchback except for the change of possession.
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Yes, punting has extra rules grafted on for various reasons. They aren't consistent, either. But the effects of the end zone on possession change are consistent. It's a fine rule and it can be avoided by not dribbling the ball at the goal line.
I’m on team this rule is as stupid as it gets, and for me it’s just about impact on game outcome/momentum. In every other situation provided (safety, punts, kickoff, fumble out of bounds), the situation is relatively unchanged for both sides. But the fumble out the end zone is a massive reversal.
Take a safety as the extreme. The offense is already backed up as far as they can be, and they aren’t gaining any ground (they get sacked). You might say two points is way more punitive than a turnover, but the alternative to a safety is probably punting from your end zone. And given the range of kickers these days, it’s entirely possible the other team could kick a FG without running any other plays. Which puts you down 3 points instead of 2. It just doesn’t feel like that big of a swing.
But fumbling out of the end zone takes a team that is on the cusp of scoring 7 and almost certainly 3 pts, and gives the ball to the other team with a comfortable starting field position. It’s a huge swing! Which obviously you also get for an interception or fumble recovery, but without the requirement of the defense actually gaining possession.
It’s not logically inconsistent, because there is no logical consistency to football rules. But it feels way out of line in terms of momentum changes for what was accomplished.