Listening to BS, I can't understand how they think Purdy played great? At best he was ok maybe. But he had at least 2 or 3 interceptions the Chiefs just dropped. Hell, OT should have been over almost immediately. I did completely forget about the punt hitting the Niner in the foot giving the Chiefs instant red zone lol. If I had to grade the Niners:
Offense: C - When McCaffery was used, he was torching the Chiefs. The fullback was having a lot of success as well. Purdy played ok at best, they had a fumble (at least it was on the right side of the field). But the play calling was terrible, you can't have multiple 3 and outs and not play aggressive against the Chiefs.
And yeah, Purdy is ok. People need to stop trying to make him into more than he is.
Hes in the best position a QB can be in with that team so it inflates his stats some.
Hes just Brock Purdy. Theres a reason why he was barely drafted.
I'm a little confused how people are landing on "just ok" for Purdy.
For Passing, he had a higher PFF grade (71.8) than Mahomes (70.7) (in the Superbowl). Found the official PFF site, and numbers are different than reported elsewhere, so striking this one.
He ended the regular season #1 in QB Rushing grading.
4th overall QB in PFF grade.
Once the games start, forget draft status. There's a long history of high draft picks that don't do anything, and low draft picks that become great. But it seems like that's the go to phrase for everyone now that he lost the Superbowl. The stats for his first full year tell a different story. I'm not saying he'll lead the 49ers to another Superbowl, because that's a full team thing (Mahomes couldn't have done it this year without their incredible defense), but so far he doesn't look like a single flash in the pan player.
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Purdy's like a solid tier 3 quarterback, with Tier 1 being It's Just Mahomes and Tier 2 being Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Stroud, and Herbert. He's probably about on the level of Goff and Love, those sorts of guys.
This was his first full year as a starter and while there's clear room for improvement, I actually think he will get better. Part of the problem is that Shanahan sucks at developing QBs.
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It’s amazing how much easier the QB position is when you have a dominant team around you.
I have nothing against Purdy but I also firmly believe if you put him on most other teams he fails miserably.
I actually want to double down and say, this post season really emphasizes how great the players on the Chiefs defense were.
They went through Miami, Buffalo, and Baltimore to get to the Superbowl. That's what won them all those games. If the defense was just good, instead of elite, I honestly don't think they're in the Superbowl this year.
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It’s amazing how much easier the QB position is when you have a dominant team around you.
I have nothing against Purdy but I also firmly believe if you put him on most other teams he fails miserably.
Yeah but there are exactly two QBs in the current NFL we've seen succeed at all without talent around them, one is Patrick Mahomes and the other is Josh Allen.
we’ll see, the way the offense absolutely craters whenever any of deebo or cmc are out doesn’t exactly inspire confidence. tho some fraction of that is also the brain genius running the show.
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I actually want to double down and say, this post season really emphasizes how great the players on the Chiefs defense were.
They went through Miami, Buffalo, and Baltimore to get to the Superbowl. That's what won them all those games. If the defense was just good, instead of elite, I honestly don't think they're in the Superbowl this year.
Absolutely. They probably still make the post season because the AFC West is a joke, but especially from Divisional on they were completely winning on defense.
In specific, Chris Jones won them those games. Without him they lose to Buffalo, they lose to Baltimore, they lose to San Francisco.
Yeah, after seeing the play calling in the second half, I put a big chunk of that on Shanahan. Just baffling decisions, and makes you look back into the season with a different view on some of those games knowing that.
I actually want to double down and say, this post season really emphasizes how great the players on the Chiefs defense were.
They went through Miami, Buffalo, and Baltimore to get to the Superbowl. That's what won them all those games. If the defense was just good, instead of elite, I honestly don't think they're in the Superbowl this year.
Absolutely. They probably still make the post season because the AFC West is a joke, but especially from Divisional on they were completely winning on defense.
In specific, Chris Jones won them those games. Without him they lose to Buffalo, they lose to Baltimore, they lose to San Francisco.
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I actually want to double down and say, this post season really emphasizes how great the players on the Chiefs defense were.
They went through Miami, Buffalo, and Baltimore to get to the Superbowl. That's what won them all those games. If the defense was just good, instead of elite, I honestly don't think they're in the Superbowl this year.
Absolutely. They probably still make the post season because the AFC West is a joke, but especially from Divisional on they were completely winning on defense.
In specific, Chris Jones won them those games. Without him they lose to Buffalo, they lose to Baltimore, they lose to San Francisco.
aided by the anti run mind control beam they had on every head coach all playoffs
Buffalo ran on them for almost 200 yards! It's what made the Ravens and Niners game even more baffling, you just saw a team that only figured out their run game halfway through the season do it, why can't you just do that?!
It's why I unironically believe the Lions would have won, you know they would have pounded the rock. Dan Campbell is too much of a jock, he's immune to the mind control beam.
Listening to BS, I can't understand how they think Purdy played great? At best he was ok maybe. But he had at least 2 or 3 interceptions the Chiefs just dropped. Hell, OT should have been over almost immediately. I did completely forget about the punt hitting the Niner in the foot giving the Chiefs instant red zone lol. If I had to grade the Niners:
Offense: C - When McCaffery was used, he was torching the Chiefs. The fullback was having a lot of success as well. Purdy played ok at best, they had a fumble (at least it was on the right side of the field). But the play calling was terrible, you can't have multiple 3 and outs and not play aggressive against the Chiefs.
And yeah, Purdy is ok. People need to stop trying to make him into more than he is.
Hes in the best position a QB can be in with that team so it inflates his stats some.
Hes just Brock Purdy. Theres a reason why he was barely drafted.
I'm a little confused how people are landing on "just ok" for Purdy.
For Passing, he had a higher PFF grade (71.8) than Mahomes (70.7) (in the Superbowl). Found the official PFF site, and numbers are different than reported elsewhere, so striking this one.
He ended the regular season #1 in QB Rushing grading.
4th overall QB in PFF grade.
Once the games start, forget draft status. There's a long history of high draft picks that don't do anything, and low draft picks that become great. But it seems like that's the go to phrase for everyone now that he lost the Superbowl. The stats for his first full year tell a different story. I'm not saying he'll lead the 49ers to another Superbowl, because that's a full team thing (Mahomes couldn't have done it this year without their incredible defense), but so far he doesn't look like a single flash in the pan player.
Because he was just ok haha. Stats are helpful but we all watched the game with our eyes and Mahomes was 100% better than Purdy (no matter what PFF says lol). Purdy was missing passing lanes (leading to tipped balls), he wasn't scrambling effectively in the game, overthrown balls to open receivers, and had picks that the Chief's defenders just dropped. Saying he was ok, it's not a bad thing. We aren't saying he lost them the game (like say Flacco did with the Browns playoff game this year). Pretty sure a dozen teams would take a young ok QB.
The Chief's defense was MVP of the game. They played amazing and won that game for them. It's fair to say they had an impact on Purdy. But it's also fair to say he's young and has flaws he'll need to work on. Where as a Josh Allen would handle what the Chiefs were throwing at him a lot better.
Purdy's uphill battle is more about situation than draft position. Mr Irrelevant is some of it but he's outplayed that term and there's plenty of history of the public jumping on with surprise later round QBs.
His perception problems are kind of two fold:
1) he landed in a system we've seen make mediocre QBs good. He's played better than most of them, yes, and gains at the high end are harder to get but the floor is so high there that he gets discounted.
2) he seems to be the 4th most important player on that offense, 5th if we broaden it to offensive personnel (see point 1). So people see him have shit games without those other guys or regularly do some real dumb stuff like have a DB drop a sure fire pick six (GB) or doink a pass of a DB's visor (Det) and feel confident saying he's not the engine that makes the whole thing go
Listening to BS, I can't understand how they think Purdy played great? At best he was ok maybe. But he had at least 2 or 3 interceptions the Chiefs just dropped. Hell, OT should have been over almost immediately. I did completely forget about the punt hitting the Niner in the foot giving the Chiefs instant red zone lol. If I had to grade the Niners:
Offense: C - When McCaffery was used, he was torching the Chiefs. The fullback was having a lot of success as well. Purdy played ok at best, they had a fumble (at least it was on the right side of the field). But the play calling was terrible, you can't have multiple 3 and outs and not play aggressive against the Chiefs.
And yeah, Purdy is ok. People need to stop trying to make him into more than he is.
Hes in the best position a QB can be in with that team so it inflates his stats some.
Hes just Brock Purdy. Theres a reason why he was barely drafted.
I'm a little confused how people are landing on "just ok" for Purdy.
For Passing, he had a higher PFF grade (71.8) than Mahomes (70.7) (in the Superbowl). Found the official PFF site, and numbers are different than reported elsewhere, so striking this one.
He ended the regular season #1 in QB Rushing grading.
4th overall QB in PFF grade.
Once the games start, forget draft status. There's a long history of high draft picks that don't do anything, and low draft picks that become great. But it seems like that's the go to phrase for everyone now that he lost the Superbowl. The stats for his first full year tell a different story. I'm not saying he'll lead the 49ers to another Superbowl, because that's a full team thing (Mahomes couldn't have done it this year without their incredible defense), but so far he doesn't look like a single flash in the pan player.
Because he was just ok haha. Stats are helpful but we all watched the game with our eyes and Mahomes was 100% better than Purdy (no matter what PFF says lol). Purdy was missing passing lanes (leading to tipped balls), he wasn't scrambling effectively in the game, overthrown balls to open receivers, and had picks that the Chief's defenders just dropped. Saying he was ok, it's not a bad thing. We aren't saying he lost them the game (like say Flacco did with the Browns playoff game this year). Pretty sure a dozen teams would take a young ok QB.
The Chief's defense was MVP of the game. They played amazing and won that game for them. It's fair to say they had an impact on Purdy. But it's also fair to say he's young and has flaws he'll need to work on. Where as a Josh Allen would handle what the Chiefs were throwing at him a lot better.
I struck out the PFF line because the actual numbers are different (though, it was overall grade, so I'm not sure if the passing number reported is right or not).
But...to say eyes versus stats...that's literally what PFF grades are. They watch the game and grade them on every play. All the things you listed would have impacted his grade.
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For sure, KC was handicapped in the first game. But the Lions also had rookies that improved a ton throughout the season. It would just come down to whether or not the Lions were effected by the brain rot the other teams got and just tried to throw the ball all the time.
It's another perk the Chiefs seem to have, nobody seems to want to hire their coordinators. OC, makes sense since they are just helping Reid. But this defense has been playing crazy good the last couple seasons, how Spags hasn't even gotten an interview is kind of crazy.
Spags doesn't seem to have any interest in head coaching after his one stint as interim HC in New York.
This is funny, because that's exactly what I thought too. So, I went looking to validate that assumption.
"I would love [being a head coach again], just because I think you always want another chance at it," he said this week after his Chiefs arrived for Super Bowl LVIII. "And I loved having a whole team.
"But I'm OK if we keep going to Super Bowls. It's tough to get a head job when you keep playing in the playoffs this late."
At least from what he says, he has interest. Teams seem to prefer hiring dudes with offensive backgrounds as their head coaches now-a-days though
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Spags left the Giants after winning the Superbowl in the 07-08 season.
To be the head coach of the Rams.
It was a fucking disaster.
Which is why he hasn't generated much buzz on that front.
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I feel the conversation was more about whether or not he wanted to be a head coach rather than whether a team would want him
Him being a disaster of a head coach one time doesn't seem like it would be a huge deterrent anyway. Coaches suck ass all the time and go on to be a head coach again
“I didn’t think about being in the Raiders home-field, but you know I was giving it to the Chiefs. I was really hoping for, obviously good friends with Johnny Lynch and Kyle Shanahan,” Elway told Schefter “The Chiefs played great. Especially that second half. I’d much rather have given it to the 49ers, but you know the Chiefs played great.”
I forgot that John Elway handed the trophy over to KC.
Winning the Super Bowl in the Raiders home and getting the trophy from John Elway.
This was the perfect Super Bowl win.
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“I didn’t think about being in the Raiders home-field, but you know I was giving it to the Chiefs. I was really hoping for, obviously good friends with Johnny Lynch and Kyle Shanahan,” Elway told Schefter “The Chiefs played great. Especially that second half. I’d much rather have given it to the 49ers, but you know the Chiefs played great.”
I forgot that John Elway handed the trophy over to KC.
Winning the Super Bowl in the Raiders home and getting the trophy from John Elway.
This was the perfect Super Bowl win.
Can't believe the Raiders found a way to lose a Super Bowl they weren't even in.
The analysis folks mentioned that Wilks was able to keep Ryan's defense running but was struggling with the in game adjustments Ryans could do. But this still seems really rash after 1 year and you just got to the super bowl. There is no guarantee whoever you hire next will be better and if they want to switch scheme up, that takes time for players to adjust.
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The analysis folks mentioned that Wilks was able to keep Ryan's defense running but was struggling with the in game adjustments Ryans could do. But this still seems really rash after 1 year and you just got to the super bowl. There is no guarantee whoever you hire next will be better and if they want to switch scheme up, that takes time for players to adjust.
There was plenty of bitching amongst niner fans that he always left his secondary too deep and that's why they always gave up 3rd down and long.
I won't pretend to have anywhere near the analytical skills to know if this is true or not, but it did feel like the defense was more bend don't break than the suffocating level they had reached years prior. Whether that's because Wilks sucks at calling plays, or the highly paid D line couldn't get home, or because dre greenlaw's Achilles went on strike in the biggest game, something wasn't the same.
Plua it looks like they're doing something without canning shanny so y'know.
On Sunday I went over to my parents' house to watch the game, and they only found out about Jason Kelce recently and said he reminded them of me, which I took as quite a compliment (he has a much fuller head of hair than I do).
I read an exchange that I assume was from the same podcast where Jason said "dude, you gotta chill the fuck out with Reid, that is an old man, you can't do that". And Travis was just like "....yeah, yeah I got a bit too heated there".
It's funny that Jason is both way more chaotic than Travis but still definitely the older brother who needs to tell the other one to shape up sometimes
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I'm a little confused how people are landing on "just ok" for Purdy.
For Passing, he had a higher PFF grade (71.8) than Mahomes (70.7) (in the Superbowl). Found the official PFF site, and numbers are different than reported elsewhere, so striking this one.
He ended the regular season #1 in QB Rushing grading.
4th overall QB in PFF grade.
Once the games start, forget draft status. There's a long history of high draft picks that don't do anything, and low draft picks that become great. But it seems like that's the go to phrase for everyone now that he lost the Superbowl. The stats for his first full year tell a different story. I'm not saying he'll lead the 49ers to another Superbowl, because that's a full team thing (Mahomes couldn't have done it this year without their incredible defense), but so far he doesn't look like a single flash in the pan player.
This was his first full year as a starter and while there's clear room for improvement, I actually think he will get better. Part of the problem is that Shanahan sucks at developing QBs.
I have nothing against Purdy but I also firmly believe if you put him on most other teams he fails miserably.
They went through Miami, Buffalo, and Baltimore to get to the Superbowl. That's what won them all those games. If the defense was just good, instead of elite, I honestly don't think they're in the Superbowl this year.
Yeah but there are exactly two QBs in the current NFL we've seen succeed at all without talent around them, one is Patrick Mahomes and the other is Josh Allen.
Absolutely. They probably still make the post season because the AFC West is a joke, but especially from Divisional on they were completely winning on defense.
In specific, Chris Jones won them those games. Without him they lose to Buffalo, they lose to Baltimore, they lose to San Francisco.
aided by the anti run mind control beam they had on every head coach all playoffs
Buffalo ran on them for almost 200 yards! It's what made the Ravens and Niners game even more baffling, you just saw a team that only figured out their run game halfway through the season do it, why can't you just do that?!
It's why I unironically believe the Lions would have won, you know they would have pounded the rock. Dan Campbell is too much of a jock, he's immune to the mind control beam.
Because he was just ok haha. Stats are helpful but we all watched the game with our eyes and Mahomes was 100% better than Purdy (no matter what PFF says lol). Purdy was missing passing lanes (leading to tipped balls), he wasn't scrambling effectively in the game, overthrown balls to open receivers, and had picks that the Chief's defenders just dropped. Saying he was ok, it's not a bad thing. We aren't saying he lost them the game (like say Flacco did with the Browns playoff game this year). Pretty sure a dozen teams would take a young ok QB.
The Chief's defense was MVP of the game. They played amazing and won that game for them. It's fair to say they had an impact on Purdy. But it's also fair to say he's young and has flaws he'll need to work on. Where as a Josh Allen would handle what the Chiefs were throwing at him a lot better.
I'm coming around to the idea that the Lions could have beat the Chiefs...
His perception problems are kind of two fold:
1) he landed in a system we've seen make mediocre QBs good. He's played better than most of them, yes, and gains at the high end are harder to get but the floor is so high there that he gets discounted.
2) he seems to be the 4th most important player on that offense, 5th if we broaden it to offensive personnel (see point 1). So people see him have shit games without those other guys or regularly do some real dumb stuff like have a DB drop a sure fire pick six (GB) or doink a pass of a DB's visor (Det) and feel confident saying he's not the engine that makes the whole thing go
I struck out the PFF line because the actual numbers are different (though, it was overall grade, so I'm not sure if the passing number reported is right or not).
But...to say eyes versus stats...that's literally what PFF grades are. They watch the game and grade them on every play. All the things you listed would have impacted his grade.
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They did beat the Chiefs so they definitely could have done it again.
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were we supposed to think it was real?
I like to think that game made the Chiefs realize they need to pay Jones.
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Spags left the Giants after winning the Superbowl in the 07-08 season.
To be the head coach of the Rams.
It was a fucking disaster.
Which is why he hasn't generated much buzz on that front.
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Him being a disaster of a head coach one time doesn't seem like it would be a huge deterrent anyway. Coaches suck ass all the time and go on to be a head coach again
Winning the Super Bowl in the Raiders home and getting the trophy from John Elway.
This was the perfect Super Bowl win.
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That's what Wilks gets for making Greenlaw explode his leg jogging onto the field.
There was plenty of bitching amongst niner fans that he always left his secondary too deep and that's why they always gave up 3rd down and long.
I won't pretend to have anywhere near the analytical skills to know if this is true or not, but it did feel like the defense was more bend don't break than the suffocating level they had reached years prior. Whether that's because Wilks sucks at calling plays, or the highly paid D line couldn't get home, or because dre greenlaw's Achilles went on strike in the biggest game, something wasn't the same.
Plua it looks like they're doing something without canning shanny so y'know.
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On Sunday I went over to my parents' house to watch the game, and they only found out about Jason Kelce recently and said he reminded them of me, which I took as quite a compliment (he has a much fuller head of hair than I do).
It's funny that Jason is both way more chaotic than Travis but still definitely the older brother who needs to tell the other one to shape up sometimes
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