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[book]s: an ancient form of communication where humans used something called words

Books! Love em or hate em, they have words in them! You read the words. They generate mental constructs in your brain. We don't actually understand that part so well, but many experts agree, books are here to stay.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    More information about what went down behind the scenes of the Hugos last year has been released.

    And it's not good.

    Long and short of it is that the nomination committee compiled half-assed political dossiers of the western authors and passed them along to their Chinese counterparts of the con administration to give a ruling on if someone should get their award or not.

    People are upset. And one of the people who did this is on this year's Hugo award committee.

    *long sigh*

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Writing words down? ... I dunno, sounds like a mistake to me.

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    I get wanting to keep the Hugo's from being defaulted to one country, but come the fuck on. Surely they can put a clause in about no active warzones or countries which would literally arrest and/or kill the winners? Is that so hard?

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  • GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    This makes me recall that I still haven't read Gene Wolfe's last two books and should remedy this.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Gilgaron wrote: »
    This makes me recall that I still haven't read Gene Wolfe's last two books and should remedy this.

    His later novels don’t quite hit the heights, but I’m looking forward to digging into the latest collection of previously uncollected short stories.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    So I've been reading a lot of Conan recently, and lo and behold my favourite webcomic (no offence to our glorious overlords here) has unveiled this as its next project.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    furlion wrote: »
    I get wanting to keep the Hugo's from being defaulted to one country, but come the fuck on. Surely they can put a clause in about no active warzones or countries which would literally arrest and/or kill the winners? Is that so hard?

    The thing with this controversy is we don't know if it is China. It was the western authors on the WorldCon Committee who made these disqualifications. The leaked emails actually completely left the Chinese members of the committee out of the loop

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    furlion wrote: »
    I get wanting to keep the Hugo's from being defaulted to one country, but come the fuck on. Surely they can put a clause in about no active warzones or countries which would literally arrest and/or kill the winners? Is that so hard?

    The thing with this controversy is we don't know if it is China. It was the western authors on the WorldCon Committee who made these disqualifications. The leaked emails actually completely left the Chinese members of the committee out of the loop

    Yeah it seems like the western members just disqualified people they thought might offend China without asking based on things they thought might offend china. Like one guy was disqualified because they mistakenly thought he visited Tibet when he had not, and apparently they banned RF Kuang because of the Poppy War Series, but they seemed to not know what the books were actually about? They seemed to think they were about Wu Zetain or something?

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    One recurring aspect of Chinese censorship is removing examples of ethnic Chinese who succeed in their new country. China's happy to allow reporting on anti-asian hate crimes or police brutality in the west, but an author doing well and winning awards? No, the only safe place in the world for Chinese people is China.

    Removing Kuang for a book series which is otherwise inoffensive to CCP political thought is not really so unusual in that context.

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited February 16
    Kana wrote: »
    One recurring aspect of Chinese censorship is removing examples of ethnic Chinese who succeed in their new country. China's happy to allow reporting on anti-asian hate crimes or police brutality in the west, but an author doing well and winning awards? No, the only safe place in the world for Chinese people is China.

    Removing Kuang for a book series which is otherwise inoffensive to CCP political thought is not really so unusual in that context.

    Perhaps not, and it would seem there wasn’t particularly a lot of content in the Poppy Wars or Babel that would be any more critical to the CCP than that in Cixin Liu’s books (which contained pretty unflattering portrayals of Maoist era revolutionary China)..

    But it seems like in this case the Chinese censors themselves weren’t even consulted and it was just western would-be censors trying to infer what might offend them just by guessing and using stereotypes.

    Jealous Deva on
  • furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    Well it seems i completely misunderstood what happened. That is still incredibly shitty though.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    So I've been reading a lot of Conan recently, and lo and behold my favourite webcomic (no offence to our glorious overlords here) has unveiled this as its next project.

    5xp1kdbq3864.png

    While dated I still really enjoy the original Conan stories they re-released a few years ago.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Titan got the rights and is republishing the first couple of omnibuses them moving ahead with the ones Marvel didn’t get round to. I think Marvel got through the whole run of Conan The Barbarian and up to about volume 9 of Savage Sword, so that’s where Titan will pick up once they bang out volumes one and two of both titles.

  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    Books, man.

    You have to read them to know if they're any good.

    Which is kind of a big investment to make on something that might not be very good.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Also reviews

  • GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    Also your library may even do e books like mine and you don't even need to get off the couch to check out a book!

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Imagine liking books like a fucking nerd

  • GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    Nose in a phone, drinking lager --> boring normy
    Nose in a book, drinking ale --> sophisticated intellectual??

  • AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    Food / game / movie, man.

    You have to eat it / play it / watch it to know if they're any good.

    Which is kind of a big investment to make on something that might not be very good.



    ... oh, Im sorry, I actually finished reading my first book in 6 weeks today.

    It was The Blacktongue Thief my Christopher Buehlman.

    It's a story told from first person perspective about a rogue with a well hidden secret heart of gold, that is in serious debt and gets pushed into accompanying a badass woman with a magical shield and magical murder bird onto her quest to do spoilery things.

    I liked humour, worldbuilding down to earth characters and overall feel that it is a story based on someones RPG campaign, as it is mostly made out of random problems that main heroes encounter and need to deal with.

    I did not like some decisions by the author that are just... weird, like that there are serious lore reasons for why are there so many badass women in positions of power, and yet the narrator and main character is still a man, or the fact that
    author considered it very important for him to get raped in last 20% of the book, even though it does not influence anything in the story

    It is not deep, or complicated plot, but it was interesting enough for me to keep reading, so I think its something like 7+/10 book for me. I will read the next book from this series, but I did not enjoy myself enough to ever want to reread this one, I guess.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Now wading through the third omnibus of Savage Sword. Fewer issues have JB on art but the fill-ins are of a pretty high standard. This is the volume where they ran out of REH stories and had to start using L. Sprague de Camp fixups of REH ideas or work by other writers, and that mad spark of invention REH had is sometimes absent, but by now Roy Thomas has absolutely mastered the tone and can improve the diluted source material. This is the last omnibus of Conan I want that I've been able to find for a reasonable price, but if I can find the fourth volumes of SSoC and CtB for something less than $TEXAS I'll pick those up, as they represent the last of Roy Thomas's immense 70's run.

    Once I'm done with this volume I'll probably need a palate cleanser of some kind. Maybe that Caravaggio biography the wife bought me a few Christmases ago.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I'm curious whether Savage Avengers is any good. Gerry Duggan's X-Men stuff has been somewhat hit and miss. Good at moments but mediocre/incompetent at stringing things together into consistent stories that make sense.

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  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    So I've been reading a lot of Conan recently, and lo and behold my favourite webcomic (no offence to our glorious overlords here) has unveiled this as its next project.

    5xp1kdbq3864.png

    I hope Shelley is Red Sonja.

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited March 4

    Asthariel wrote: »
    Food / game / movie, man.

    You have to eat it / play it / watch it to know if they're any good.

    Which is kind of a big investment to make on something that might not be very good.



    ... oh, Im sorry, I actually finished reading my first book in 6 weeks today.

    It was The Blacktongue Thief my Christopher Buehlman.

    It's a story told from first person perspective about a rogue with a well hidden secret heart of gold, that is in serious debt and gets pushed into accompanying a badass woman with a magical shield and magical murder bird onto her quest to do spoilery things.

    I liked humour, worldbuilding down to earth characters and overall feel that it is a story based on someones RPG campaign, as it is mostly made out of random problems that main heroes encounter and need to deal with.

    I did not like some decisions by the author that are just... weird, like that there are serious lore reasons for why are there so many badass women in positions of power, and yet the narrator and main character is still a man, or the fact that
    author considered it very important for him to get raped in last 20% of the book, even though it does not influence anything in the story

    It is not deep, or complicated plot, but it was interesting enough for me to keep reading, so I think its something like 7+/10 book for me. I will read the next book from this series, but I did not enjoy myself enough to ever want to reread this one, I guess.

    I love this thread in part because the “I didn’t like this because…” statements rarely makes sense to me but “I liked this because” almost always makes sense even if I don’t agree with it

    People’s thought processes are very interesting and different to my own

    Casual Eddy on
  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    I recently finished The Coldfire Trilogy. Picked it up after seeing a description in a previous book thread. I liked it quite a bit, so thanks to whoever talked it up. I wouldn't say the writing is polished. It's not a trilogy of fancy prose. It works for the story, though. The world is way more interesting than the plot for the 1st 2 books, then the world becomes the plot in the 3rd and it was great.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
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    He's in traditional style you think?

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Has anyone read Shadows of What Was Lost? So they ever explain why Shadows are hated so much? So far it just seems like people hate them the most because they hate them the most.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Nevermind I quit.

    Just constant internal retcons like "so long as you're wearing this they won't be able to track you" then two chapters later "Oh this other group of people can track you though because of this."

    Straight up convenient amnesia where the person suddenly remembers something relevant to the plot.

    Characters keeping secrets from each other for no discernable reason.

    Just bleh. Bleh.

  • Satanic JesusSatanic Jesus Hi, I'm Liam! with broken glassesRegistered User regular
    Pity, I haven't read it but it does gave a lovely cover.

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited March 10
    So I’ve been rereading all the Jack Reacher books and am getting towards the end of the ones written by Lee Child. Got to Past Tense and it is as weird as it was the first time.
    It is two completely separate plots. One has Reacher looking into where his dad was born because he happened to be nearby and the other is a couple who get captured by a fake motel and hunted for sport by rich people. Reacher only stumbles into the hunting plot at the very end, at which point the couple have almost completely managed to escape due to their own intelligence and skills. He basically just helps with cleanup.

    It is just a very odd book in the series.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I’ve been reading Tom King and Greg Smallwood’s 12 issue murder mystery Human Target collection. It’s very good but the art is something else. Maybe the most beautiful book DC have put out since new Frontier.

  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    I'm hugely enjoying the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik--just started book 3 They are not grand works of timeless literature, but they are well-written and nail the britishy, period style she's aiming for without losing accessibility. They *are* grand works of entertainment--straightforwardly a joy to read.

    Rather mild spoilers within
    Something that I find very very interesting about them is the mixed target audience. On the one hand, they appear to be marketed mainly at male readers/readers with traditionally male interests, with the primary colors on the cover, the warlike titles, the details on naval battles, the male protagonist, etc. On the other hand, the stories have the emotional beats of a platonic gay romance written for the consumption of women. Which also: it's definitely a platonic gay romance between the naval captain and the dragon. Which. Hm. HMMM. I don't know lol. I love it actually, and it's so emotional, and I love these books that only have men in them and the bonds with your war buddy who you would die for, just the sheer devotion of it all, but also isn't it kind of weird because Laurence is a naval captain and Temeraire is a 1 year old dragon. And like. Laurence is jealous when Temeraire gets with a lady dragon, and of course it's not a sexual jealousy and it's more this, will he choose to stay in China and not come back to england with me, and here is someone who is a claim on his time and companionship, but it's explicitly there and throughout there really is the same story and emotional beats you'd have in a platonic sort of yaoi story. (and, of course, I actually prefer my romance stories to stay platonic and involve this strong devotion and then perhaps a strong dose of longing and repression and unresolved tension--and, there is not unresolved tension here, to be clear. He does not want to fuck the dragon. BUT STILL).

    Anyway. There's a different world where these books would be about a lady captain in the british aviation corps, and how she has to dress up as a man and girl power girl power, and it's also interesting to me that Novik didn't go this way (because instead it's a story of a proper british man unbuttoning and coming to feel love. for his dragon.)

    I'm also really intrigued by this theme that's developing in which Temeraire, who is a lot smarter and less hidebound than Laurence, is really examining the position of dragons in British society and is like ok so I really see no reason why we shouldn't be able to earn money and be citizens instead of being kept like animals or slaves? A lot of attention is paid to reading and writing. Laurence reads to Temeraire, but when they go to China, they realize that the Chinese dragons will actually write with their claws in sandboxes, or scratch out poetry on big sheets of wood and such, and Temeraire is like, what the fuck, why do we think that just because we're so big we can't write? --and both of these issues are really seldom examined by books with dragons in. lfx was opining it's because often in fantasy dragons, although generally depicted as highly intelligent, are (if not just used as monsters) presented as the remnants of a culture in decline and used as a symbol representing ancient glory, rather than as an actual people with their own culture and aims. Dunno! But it's interesting.

    And yeah the second book was probably 200 pages worth of sea journey and honestly I love that shit. Love a boat book. There's a storm; we're unloading and loading stuff onto the boat; there is a quarrel on the boat; our stores are running low; an unlucky event happens; we're climbing around different parts of the boat; someone is seasick. Always good. Lots of boat words that I can never be bothered to internalize but I like that they're there.

    Also interesting, is that the second book is dedicated "In memory of Chawa Nowik, in hopes that someday I'll be ready to write her book" --and I feel like she must have been thinking of Spinning Silver, and maybe feeling that at this point in time she only knew how to write Master and Commander fanfiction and wasn't ready yet for this other in many ways more ambitious work. You can see her grow as a writer in the Temeraire books, too--just from a technical perspective, the first one has a number of noticeably jarring scene transitions, and the second book has very few, if any.

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  • TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    Sometimes I will read a book before seeing a movie, and I'm planning to watch Mary Ellen Bute's Passages From James Joyce's Finnegan's Wake, so I thought I'd give the novel a go because I like Joyce. I thought the unreadability of Ulysses was a bit overstated, but here it's definitely the real deal; it's legitimately unintelligible. I'm a few chapters in and there's maybe a dozen sentences I've understood and I've only got the vaguest idea of what is happening or from what perspective it's being communicated.

    Despite that I still like it, the sound of the words is really cool. It reads great out loud. It's maybe too fanciful in its language though, it's too on the page or from the mouth. I wish it was more atmospheric or that its language went for the stomach instead of the brain. Anyways I think I'll get through it, I haven't read anything quite like it.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    edited March 17
    Importing a discussion I had elsewhere regarding The Three Musketeers

    Can we point to a major scene or plot point in the book where societal morality hasn't evolved to the point where we, as a hypothetical informed but uninvolved bystander, wouldn't view the musketeers as the "bad guys"?

    V1m on
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