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[VTuber] thread: Yep, she's a duck; she's an orca; no, she's not a cat

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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    Seems far more likely that they will just quietly work out a deal.

    While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Arisu Oshiro talked a bit about trying to improve her health after urgent care for heart palpitations yesterday.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    I imagine Fillian will be able to throw enough money at the artist (and associated lawyers) to make the problem go away, but imagine if they can't make a deal. She's potentially on the hook for the costs to these merch companies for accidentally fraudulently signing over the right to a design she doesn't own. Like, how far down the design/manufacture process is this stuff? My mind boggles at the costs if this shit can't be sold.

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    DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
    Did she (or, more likely, the people she has advise her) think the minor changes to the model would be enough?

    It doesn't make sense how it got this far.
    Surely Goodsmile tell her she needs to have permission to use the model like this or she has to fully own the design before they do anything with her.

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    JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    There's also Mythic Talent, who is Fillian's talent management company.

    I'm just confused at how this got green lit?

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Reading that Reddit post Fillian has already been on a bunch of merch and in a game over the years.

    IANAL, but I'm thinking the kind of payout the artist is owed might allow them to buy a small house and name it The Fillian House.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Yeah, she deserves the hit because she should have probably invested in her own model at this point or worked out a deal with the artist of her current model. Hell, she is big enough that she should have access to a lawyer specifically to help her avoid this shit and ADHD isn't an excuse.

    That said, I'm also a bit floored that this got to where it did because I'm pretty sure this is something that Mythic Talent should having been helping her with and one would think that Good Smile would have also done some leg work to make sure she has the rights to make such a deal. So it's not like she is the only one that dropped the ball here.

    I don't think this kills her brand, but it also depends on how she gets it sorted out and how much the involved parties want to make her bleed financially. If everyone is reasonable, it probably won't be a huge issue, she takes some damage but can recover. If not, it could potentially get really ugly.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited July 5
    It has been discussed previously how international lawsuits cost A LOT of money so even agency contracts are not set in stone. That artist likely can't afford an expensive lawsuit.

    Still, Filian now "has a broke PC" per her Discord, so guess this is going to be settled offscreen.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Honestly, the artist might be the least of Filian's concerns. This was someone that was willing to put together a 3D vtuber model that people could use for free. So they might be less inclined to cause grief; especially, if Filian show's proper repentance for actions. I mean, also possible that her fuckup here really pissed them off and they'll go as far as they can to extract every pound of flesh that they feel they are owed.

    The bigger worry would be if some other party that she made a deal with, while not owning rights to her current model decides to file suit and allege she defrauded them. Companies can be straight up assholes, more so if the people running them were already dickheads before being put in charge of a company.

    Luckily for her, given that she wasn't the only one to fuck up her. That potentially stops some entities that might have gone after her and also puts Mythic in a spot where they kind of have to help her out or it's going to call into question the entire value of being a member of Mythic.

    Of course, even with other entities deciding to be dicks. If she makes amends with the artist, that could create a setup where they won't have much room to maneuver. It's not just that they need to prove that they were put in a position of being harmed, but they also have navigate the court of public opinion as well. So even if they could convince a court that they having standing, it won't be worth it if the fallout erases any gains they could have made. Then of course, there is the other thing where I suspect it is pretty easy to find out that Filian didn't have the rights, didn't really do anything to hide that knowledge, which then begs the question of "How did your legal department fail to see that and thus you ended up in your current situation?" A question that they might not want to have to answer in a court document that will become legal and could hose them in the future.

    So I'd put odds of Filian's dumbass getting out of this mess at probably 80%, this also includes recovering because she just seems like a dumbass with ADHD and doesn't really come across as an asshole. Honestly, I'd be surprised if she was a shitty person.

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    DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    WHOSE BEEN TALKING THAT SHIT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTht1wrty3g

    "Grip 'em up, grip 'em, grip 'em good, said the Gryphon... to the pig."
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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    holojustice starts collabing with the rest of EN tonight, kicking off with crab game (there's a bunch of people streaming their povs)

    https://www.youtube.com/mH5iestE9VQ?si=A-BDrlgm6ktRKEkp

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    SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    Various random tweets out there but there's apparently good attendance/EXTREME LINES for the Dodgers/hololive collab. Yagoo is in attendance as well.

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    JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    Looks like Goodsmile already took down the tweet about Filian's Nendoroid?

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    I would not be surprised that Dodgers and Vtuber results in big lines. Every time the Dodgers have a game the traffic in the entire Los Angeles area gets very noticeably worse. Even the foot traffic in Union Station.

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    HellboreHellbore A bad, bad man Registered User regular
    Reports are that the merch line is wrapping around the stadium and anecdotally it's the biggest merch crowd they've seen.

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited July 6
    https://x.com/hololive_En/status/1809294258635173954
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    (Corrections, ・Cecilia Immergreen: PDT 7/7 12:00 PM
    ・Raora Panthera: PDT 7/7 12:30 PM)
    https://youtu.be/Q4CsFPKVwLs?si=-phiqkr2nmcKC6U2
    Give them many money please (if you would like to).

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Hellbore wrote: »
    Reports are that the merch line is wrapping around the stadium and anecdotally it's the biggest merch crowd they've seen.

    I'm wondering if they're catching a lot of the AX crowd since that convention is in town

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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    In more bad news for Filian a second artist who made the model her loli version is an edit of has tweeted she never contacted them for merch and her appearance in a kart racing game using that model of hers. And people are digging up old clips of her saying she paid $0 for the models when they are both sold on booth.pm

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    edited July 6
    Yeah, there are now two artists. I think she probably still survives this and recovers, but it's not a good look.

    I'm still mystified that with as successful as she has been. Why didn't she just either work a deal with the artists to avoid a shit show or just commission an artist to make her models that she liked. This is such an unforced error that she could have avoided and it does make Mythic look bad as well because this is something they should have caught. It doesn't take a copyright expert to look at her adjusted model and the original models to realize that this could easily become an issue.

    Sure commissioning a 3D model would cost a decent chunk of change, that she couldn't use for something else, but this shit show is going to likely cost her way more in both money and PR damage.

    Edit: As for the Hololive x Dodgers collab, I do wonder how many new fans this might potentially net Cover. I think there is a good argument to be made that even anime is still pretty niche and is just now actually breaking into mainstream beyond just a few big hitting series. Vtubing is even more niche than anime, so a decent chance that Hololive is catching the attention of people that don't even know vtubers were a thing.

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    Mythic and talent agencies like them don't do much besides get sponsorships for their talents. And since they're a general streamer talent agency not a Vtuber specific one, I highly doubt they even thought about whether or not any of the Vtubers on their roster own the rights to their models.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    https://youtu.be/KnHUeaOff0s?si=D4Ld_qM2MGJzqkr3

    Well the crowd seemed open to singing along with the shark girl.

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    DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Maybe the next big internet colour dispute can be whether yellow-green is yellow or green.

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    SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    Shiori cover
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lJI-S968PE

    Watame singing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQGhvZ-tWUw
    00:07:09 俺ら東京さ行ぐだ [Ora Tokyo Sa Ikuda] / 吉幾三
    00:12:02 フォニイ [Phony] / ツミキ feat. 可不(KAFU)
    00:17:09 Bling‐Bang‐Bang‐Born / Creepy Nuts
    00:23:23 群青 [Gunjou] / YOASOBI
    00:30:31 We are GAMERS!!!! / ホロライブゲーマーズ
    00:39:04 Rising Hope / LiSA
    00:45:50 唱 [Sho] / Ado
    00:51:42 星間飛行 [Seikan Hikou] / ランカ・リー=中島愛
    00:59:14 ハロ/ハワユ [Hello/How Are You] / ナノウ(ほえほえP) feat. 初音ミク
    01:07:29 青春アーカイブ [Seishun Archive] / hololive IDOL PROJECT
    01:14:20 #あくあ色ぱれっと [Aqua Iro Palette] / 湊あくあ
    01:21:44 アゲハ蝶 [Ageha Cho] / ポルノグラフィティ
    01:33:05 あー夏休み [Ah Natsuyasumi] / TUBE
    01:40:37 BLUE CLAPPER / hololive IDOL PROJECT
    01:48:03 愛昧ショコラーテ [Ai-mai Chocolate] / 角巻わため
    01:57:48 さぁ [Saa] / SURFACE
    02:04:27 怪獣の花唄 [Kaijuu no Hanauta] / Vaundy
    02:12:06 オリオンをなぞる [Orion wo Nazoru] / UNISON SQUARE GARDEN
    02:19:43 Gamble Rumble / m.o.v.e
    02:27:46 きっと [Kitto] / 角巻わため
    02:38:39 mayday, mayday / 角巻わため
    02:48:38 My song / 角巻わため
    02:55:44 キミだけのメロディ [Melody For You] / 角巻わため
    03:03:20 What an amazing swing / 角巻わため
    03:10:36 Go my way / 角巻わため

    ReGLOSS dumbasses
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni4W7wqYE3A

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    kobo is something else, man
    https://youtu.be/v-plzDTZiH4?si=YfFa2InMUsvbtDXU

    nene took a page from pinocchioP's book and not only covered his new song but drew the artwork for it
    https://youtu.be/kjtcGKtiYgY?si=bXD2MFJWuOYRYbFr

    a hefty supercut of last night's crab game collab
    https://youtu.be/22J-milc-4M?si=FKJGd6u3JbbDuQfq

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    SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    edited July 6
    Madican wrote: »
    Hellbore wrote: »
    Reports are that the merch line is wrapping around the stadium and anecdotally it's the biggest merch crowd they've seen.

    I'm wondering if they're catching a lot of the AX crowd since that convention is in town

    Quite a bit I'd expect.

    edit- someone compiled a pile of tweets and some clips from the game and line, here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vBP3BOeaeY

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    Mythic and talent agencies like them don't do much besides get sponsorships for their talents. And since they're a general streamer talent agency not a Vtuber specific one, I highly doubt they even thought about whether or not any of the Vtubers on their roster own the rights to their models.

    Perhaps, but I doubt it's going to go over well with potential sponsors, if the line is "we didn't think someone would fail to inform that they did not have the rights, so we just didn't bother to verify."

    One thing that often gets lost in the weeds with organizations like Mythic and to a less extent organizations like VShojo, where their talents actually are contractors and even agencies where the talents are employees, is that they do provide a service for entities that want to do some sort of partnership with a streamer or vtuber.

    If I'm someone that wants to do a partnership with one of Mythic's talents, it's perfectly reasonable to have the expectation that Mythic will have done it's due diligence and is representing a someone that does have the legal authority to sign off on deal that is using everything they claim to have ownership of. That by being represented, they have the seal of a 3rd party that says, "Hey, our endorsement of this entity won't prevent you from getting hit by all the potential BS that happens in this industry, but there is a baseline level of nonsense that you shouldn't have to worry about with it." After all Mythic is a talent agency that has it's own reputation, that they do need to maintain, not only to convince indies to make a contract with them for the services they offer, but to also ensure that potential sponsors feel like it's worthwhile partnering with people on Mythic's roster.

    If I were one of the indies that has been working my ass off to build my brand and I had a contract with Mythic. I'd be contacting Mythic and asking them what they intend to do to ensure that a situation like this doesn't happen again. That I don't want to later find out that my association with Mythic is costing me potential deals because potential sponsors don't trust Mythic to meet a minimum threshold of standards.

    So again, I feel comfortable stating that both Filian and Mythic fucked up here. That probably also gives Good Smile enough room to state that "Hey, we didn't screw up here because both Filian and Mythic stated that everything in regards to rights was above board. Most importantly, we assumed that Mythic, a 3rd party, would have their shit in order here." I imagine that every other company that is now in this mess, will probably go that route, if Filian was on the Mythic roster at the time they did their contracts.

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    StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Haven't seen this artist before but the animation is really good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otmOWQvM7xo

    They have another Ironmouse and Connor video on their twitter that they haven't posted onto youtube yet.

    https://x.com/NewbieIsPro/status/1808500948488347677

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    What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak

    I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
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    SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    hololive was on the main AX stream. FWMC then staff panel.

    FWMC Nendroid AND Pop Up Parade
    Promise Nendroids
    Scale figures for Calli and Gura

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited July 7
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    DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
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    DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
    Wawa birthday karaoke
    https://www.youtu.be/mX2ETEGqhmM

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    SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    AKB48 backing up Suisei
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Qw-vQ-fUw

    AZKi singing in a couple hours
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOese-wPEwU

    Also reminder that Justice is going to have their monetization streams today.

    ERB's waiting room
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T68MKhkRS-g

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited July 7
    https://youtu.be/Rz1Kujq73kM?si=1KJl3EFljv1ZaPCI
    Elite appliance user in every timeline (CC on).

    https://youtu.be/Ya_LPqzzyEA?si=nTwmdAIKhGQOmh15
    Silly Bae, start the stream and THEN fall asleep.

    https://youtube.com/jRxZn8dr2uw?si=IPffq0o80F4D9bBe
    Greatest battles in anime history.

    In a bit,
    https://youtu.be/5EimdErvUh8?si=2nik6R1ReyRyxr7W
    Let her cook.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    And give it up for "quietly working a deal".

    Here's the artist stating their demands, saying that their work cannot be commercialized, but they will not demand compensation or anything.

    And here's a clip of Filian addressing the issue first thing on her stream. Is being worked out and she will give updates when she has them.

    So that's it, I suppose.

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