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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    So the carpet is being fixed over six nights, one area a night. Come in this morning. Furniture in the first area has been returned. Good. However the carpet in that area looks worse now than it did before they "fixed" it.

    Just.


    I can't anymore.

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    korodullinkorodullin What. SCRegistered User regular
    The mad bastards did it. Management has pulled the nuclear option to get rid of cell phones on the production floor.

    We're moving from standard button-up cotton/poly work uniforms and polos for leads/supervisors to everyone in company-branded plain t-shirts and pocketless pants.

    Jesus wept.

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    Mc zanyMc zany Registered User regular
    I hate stuff like this, there are way better ways to show you are making a difference. The tiny loss of productivity phones (and pockets for that matter) bring is dwarfed by the huge hit to morale.

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    But how will the proles know who's boss? You must assert cruelty to show who's boss!

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    DrZiplockDrZiplock Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    also I forgot my headphones so I'll have to go and find an unoccupied meeting room as well. Truly, an unheard of imposition.

    Praise be to The Pod.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Mc zany wrote: »
    I hate stuff like this, there are way better ways to show you are making a difference. The tiny loss of productivity phones (and pockets for that matter) bring is dwarfed by the huge hit to morale.

    The only authority models idiots like this understand are schools and slave plantations.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Could a disability argument be made regarding not having access to supplies on hand?

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited March 5
    instituting a uniform specifically to issue pants without pockets is such an incredibly petty dick move, wow.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Many of you may have heard of the famous (although I suspect apocryphal) quote from Charles Babbage, father of modern computing:
    On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?'

    I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

    Well in today's adventures in Spreadsheets, I have just spent the last three hours dealing with exactly that goddam "confusion of ideas".

    Yes, if you put the wrong entries (or just no entry at all!) into the "who sent us this work" and "what kind of work is it?" columns, you may well indeed get wrong MI about where all your work comes from and what it is. I know that it's annoying that Excel doesn't magically fucking know that "it's obvious", but there it is. If it's that bloody obvious, why don't we just remove the MI calculations altogether and you can just write in whatever numbers the Obvious Fairy tells you? That would be way less work for everyone!

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    expendableexpendable Silly Goose Registered User regular
    instituting a uniform specifically to issue pants without pockets is such an incredibly petty dick move, wow.

    I just know, without a shred of evidence, that they'd make the workers be naked like you see drug cartels doing in tv shows or movies, but in their mind they just can't "because OSHA" or something.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    Could a disability argument be made regarding not having access to supplies on hand?

    Yes, and there isn't a damn thing the fuckers can do about it because they would be unable to argue that it's an unreasonable accommodation.

    Granted, you'd first have to have someone with a disability where they do need supplies on hand as an accommodation. Then they would also have to be aware of their rights under ADA and willing to take management to task.

    That last bit can get hard if they are in a shitty right to work state. This is another reason why right to work laws need to be abolished because they are ableist in nature, allowing for shitty employees to find a backdoor to remove their employees with disabilities, which they don't want to accommodate.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Welp. Cleared the furniture from the front of the library again. Principal emailed the carpet people with a wtf? Waiting to hear what the fuck is going to be done because this is currently beyond unacceptable and actively dangerous.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    expendable wrote: »
    instituting a uniform specifically to issue pants without pockets is such an incredibly petty dick move, wow.

    I just know, without a shred of evidence, that they'd make the workers be naked like you see drug cartels doing in tv shows or movies, but in their mind they just can't "because OSHA" or something.

    When I worked in a casino in the count room we had jumpers without pockets.
    One woman or more? in the count room were stealing from table games which we had to count as well. I had no idea how to do it nor would anyone train me to do it so I let them.
    They came down hard on everyone when they discovered the theft with people looking into our personal lives and lie detectors. I remember they did not know how much they stole in excess of 6 digits but they got off with the plea bargain as they were working at a convince store a few months later

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Making people wear pants without pockets seems spectacularly impractical, on top of all of the other problems that it presents. They seriously think that nobody involved will need to carry anything without holding it in their hands, ever? I genuinely can't imagine a work environment where that's true and I don't even know what korodullin does.

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    L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    What about people with asthma, who need inhalers? Or insulin shots/epipens? Where would one put their reading glasses? Regular writing pens? Gloves? Box cutters or other utility knives? Or how about anything related to what one would normally put in pockets?

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    What about people with asthma, who need inhalers? Or insulin shots/epipens? Where would one put their reading glasses? Regular writing pens? Gloves? Box cutters or other utility knives? Or how about anything related to what one would normally put in pockets?

    it's okay we've now allowed fanny packs

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited March 5
    What about people with asthma, who need inhalers? Or insulin shots/epipens? Where would one put their reading glasses? Regular writing pens? Gloves? Box cutters or other utility knives? Or how about anything related to what one would normally put in pockets?

    Lanyards? Glasses chains? Shelves nearby?

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    yeah you'd have to prove that you need to carry it on your person via pockets and not just have it in a easily accessible place.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I think they work in a car manufacturing factory, Subaru, I think

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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    What about people with asthma, who need inhalers? Or insulin shots/epipens? Where would one put their reading glasses? Regular writing pens? Gloves? Box cutters or other utility knives? Or how about anything related to what one would normally put in pockets?

    it's okay we've now allowed fanny packs

    I mean, if it's a cool sparkly fanny pack I could be ok with this

    It'd be a dumb, drab ugly grey fanny pack though, wouldn't it?

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    I think they work in a car manufacturing factory, Subaru, I think

    the real solution: https://uaw.org/join/

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Work sucks. I ordered a pizza be delivered.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Carpet guys arrived. They now think the actual grey carpet is defective because the accent green carpet squares are having no issues. So now they are going to find a different grey carpet to replace it with.

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Kadith wrote: »
    yeah you'd have to prove that you need to carry it on your person via pockets and not just have it in a easily accessible place.

    The problem for me is that if people have Stuff that they need ready access to and you make them put it in an easily accessible place then you've opened up the Shared Space Conundrum. Everyone who's worked in an environment with other people is intimately familiar with That One Guy who can't keep shared spaces tidy, who takes everything and never puts anything back where it goes, and generally makes the most important thing that everyone else needs disappear at the least opportune time. Maybe, just maybe, there are people who operate in an environment where everything they need is immediately in front of them and they really can be fine with going back to a personal locker when they need access to personal stuff, but that still sounds like it fucking sucks.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I got to test out my Silky Pocketboy today. Reminder that this is a type of saw, not a sex thing like it sounds. Anyway, it worked well on some really hard wood, and was able to handle much more girth than my previous tool. Overall did a great job on this client's bush.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Apparently I have pissed off my project manager by declining 4 hours worth of meetings over the next 48 hours. We're at the point of needing feedback to go-live with this project from our end users. And my saying "I really don't need to be there, just toss me the notes/summary" was the wrong answer for him.

    My job is not to hand-hold this project... if I were, I'd be some kind.. of.. I don't know.. manager.. of this project.

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    DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    I think they work in a car manufacturing factory, Subaru, I think

    I am the Subaru worker, and phones have been prohibited on the line for years.

    Now here's an important distinction. The line is not the production floor. The line is the actual production line the cars travel on, and the work area the employees are in while they do their job.
    The production floor is basically just inside the factory that isn't admin, cafe, and bathrooms.

    Ban phones on the line? Okay.

    Ban phones on the floor? No. No way in hell.


    The line went down last year for 5 hours. They sent us to our breakroom. We had our phones either in our pockets or in our lunchboxes next to us.

    We could not use them. I could have a conversation with my coworker about Street Fighter, but we couldn't text it because we were "on the clock", sitting in the brrakroom doing absolutely nothing for most of a shift. Couldn't nap either. Anything that could improve employee morale or even just personal being in that moment, was prohibited because ultimately, the company wants absolute control of your actions on the clock, and so no phones.

    The shift starts at 4:30, the line starts at 4:37, for team meetings and prep. Everyone is always ready with multiple minutes left. If you check your phone one last time in the breakroom, if you send an ILY message to your partner at 4:35, when nothing is happening and the line hasn't even started? Write-up.

    I think my point was, they suck and you can't reason them out of this, because dictating your life while on the clock is part of the contract, to the people making these decisions.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Oops my bad, sorry

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Got an email today, "Can we use this new overview sheet you shared to work out which invoices we're still waiting for to be issued at month end?", which is slightly disconcerting because it's the finance department asking. Like, this is your department. Literally.

    Supervisor asked "Can we answer this mail?". Yeah, there are two answers. The one he wants is to list all the invoices we can see are still outstanding and they need to accrue for. The more accurate answer is "Yes, you can use the sheet for that, here's an explanation of what the sheet shows, it should be fairly straightforward for you to find out what you want using this information". The plus side is that they can more effectively be put into a position where they don't need our help to get this information going forward. The negative side being, obviously, that it's not us doing their job for them and, as such, will probably be upsetting for them.

    "Ah. So that answer should probably come from me." It would probably be good if it came from a position of authority rather than one of snark, sure.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Supervisor's supervisor sent my coworker and I, the one who was hired to do contracts not the one who was moved to his old office and now holes up in there with his radio, an email saying to "be familiar with our current list of contracts" with a spreadsheet that is something like 50 contracts long. Most of which were being worked on by the guy who managed to escape last week and are way out of our level of "expertise" to be touching.

    So good luck with that one, boss man. You can't squeeze blood from a stone. The irony is that technically as a state agency we could just have the Department of General Services handle our contracts. It's a thing they can do and a lot of agencies do that instead of having to hire/train their own contract people. But logical action isn't the hallmark of this facility.

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    expendableexpendable Silly Goose Registered User regular
    Docshifty wrote: »
    I think they work in a car manufacturing factory, Subaru, I think

    I am the Subaru worker, and phones have been prohibited on the line for years.

    Now here's an important distinction. The line is not the production floor. The line is the actual production line the cars travel on, and the work area the employees are in while they do their job.
    The production floor is basically just inside the factory that isn't admin, cafe, and bathrooms.

    Ban phones on the line? Okay.

    Ban phones on the floor? No. No way in hell.


    The line went down last year for 5 hours. They sent us to our breakroom. We had our phones either in our pockets or in our lunchboxes next to us.

    We could not use them. I could have a conversation with my coworker about Street Fighter, but we couldn't text it because we were "on the clock", sitting in the brrakroom doing absolutely nothing for most of a shift. Couldn't nap either. Anything that could improve employee morale or even just personal being in that moment, was prohibited because ultimately, the company wants absolute control of your actions on the clock, and so no phones.

    The shift starts at 4:30, the line starts at 4:37, for team meetings and prep. Everyone is always ready with multiple minutes left. If you check your phone one last time in the breakroom, if you send an ILY message to your partner at 4:35, when nothing is happening and the line hasn't even started? Write-up.

    I think my point was, they suck and you can't reason them out of this, because dictating your life while on the clock is part of the contract, to the people making these decisions.

    Well there's my evidence for the naked thing.

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    So the servers suddenly decide to cramp up during the last six percent.
    Man, the Director will really go out of his way to be a dick to L4D players.
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    korodullinkorodullin What. SCRegistered User regular
    What about people with asthma, who need inhalers? Or insulin shots/epipens? Where would one put their reading glasses? Regular writing pens? Gloves? Box cutters or other utility knives? Or how about anything related to what one would normally put in pockets?

    Medical stuff: The break room/your locker
    Reading glasses: Not allowed. Better hope our insurance covers the prescription safety glasses you'd need
    Pens/knives: Belt pouches provided by the company
    Cutting gloves: Buy a belt clip

    I work at a printing plant where 99% of what we print is foil/paper wrapping or lidding for food products and pharmaceuticals.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Package arrived early by several days, still not done watching Professor Messer videos.
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    It begins.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    that is a sturdy looking book

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    You'd think that until it's spent some time in backpacks and been through the book drop a couple of times. Fat paperback textbooks are twelve-circ items if you're lucky.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    You'd think that until it's spent some time in backpacks and been through the book drop a couple of times. Fat paperback textbooks are twelve-circ items if you're lucky.

    Yeah like the paperback “clown” book has a very short use life.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    sure but I'm thinking more in terms of its value as some sort of Home Alone type implement, because I am a practical man

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    I don't work on Fridays.
    I took off sick on Monday
    I got through all my backlog on Tuesday

    Today is Wednesday and I ran out of work at noon.

    It's 245 now and I finish at 330.

    This is dumb

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    sure but I'm thinking more in terms of its value as some sort of Home Alone type implement, because I am a practical man

    Librarians all keep detailed lethality ratings on books.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    In that case, you're looking for any of the Strunk and White Elements of Style hardback volumes published between 2004 and 2018. For a while there they were putting some heavy varnish on those pages. They're the size of a paperback Lord of the Rings but have the heft of a half brick, you could take down a charging gym teacher with one of those weighty bastards.

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