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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited March 21
    The fact that so many reviews talk about the New Ghostbusters being dragged down by lore is...just. why is there Ghostbusters lore? It was a movie made by comedians just riffing and fueled by cocaine! Just have funny people doing funny things!
    WHY LORE

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Just thinking that you could lose some surprising things when you cut corners. Like imagine the Silver Shamrock commercial in Halloween 3 being cast off to the AI sludge.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
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    folks, we simply do not bully journalists enough


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    Are any of us TRULY somewhere?

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    i'm just a ham sandwich, but where, I couldn't say for sure

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    https://www.polygon.com/24106832/ghostbusters-frozen-empire-review-paul-rudd-bill-murray

    "The Ghostbusters franchise isn’t aimed at anyone or anything anymore"
    It isn’t really clear who the Ghostbusters franchise is for anymore. In Jason Reitman’s 2021 sequel/reboot, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, it seemed like the series had a clear trajectory, and that he was aiming at finally making it the kids’ franchise that Halloween costume companies always dreamed it could be. But the latest entry, Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire, clings so tightly to the franchise’s past that it’s hard to see how it could appeal to anyone at all.
    ....
    All of this brings us back to that opening problem: The Ghostbusters franchise doesn’t really seem to be aimed at anyone anymore. It isn’t funny. It isn’t scary. It’s mostly abandoned its new younger characters, and its older actors barely seem to care. Frozen Empire’s unintentional answer to the question seems to be that Ghostbusters is now corporate nostalgia-farming given cinematic form. Sure, it’s missing all the charm and goofiness that earned the original Ghostbusters so many fans — but if you stick around long enough, they filmmakers will show off the proton packs again, and there’s always a new person to slime. It’s a franchise reduced to nothing more than a parade of hollow, familiar images, lightly repackaged in hopes that we’ll buy another ticket and try to revisit the emotions we felt when we encountered this world for the first time.

    I wasn't expecting much, but even still, this sounds fuckin bleak

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 21
    Re: needless AI in movies, I firmly believe that when these little bits of "art" crop up, it's not because they couldn't afford actual artists or they were on a time crunch, but that some shitty exec somewhere specifically wants to see if they can sneak this stuff in without people noticing, so they can start figuring out when and where they can start scaling it up.

    Just a very cynical and stupid ploy to lay the groundwork for future shittery. And these execs know they'll never suffer personal consequences for it and don't give a shit about the reputation of the company or the creatives involved, so there's basically no downside for them.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
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    folks, we simply do not bully journalists enough


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    Are any of us TRULY somewhere?

    my brother in christ you are behind the wheel of a large automobile

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Harmony Korine made a new home-invasion horror film shot like an FPS where the invaders’ faces are replaced with babies’. Might show up at Cannes

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited March 21
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    I’ve had people get into it with me when I’ve called Poor Things a horror film

    Now, I know that my “horror/genre in general is a broad brush and a lot more than people want to admit counts as horror” belief can be seen as extreme, but even aside from that, I think the fucking literal Frankenstein homage that starts with a suicide victim being further tortured by being resurrected against their will should count, even if it has more than a handful of jokey-jokes too in its runtime

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Trying to describe poor things is complicated

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I'm quite looking forward to Monkey Man so I just went to look up the release date. Saw it was being made by Netflix and thought that's cool, we already have Netflix, so I won't have to pay anything extra to see it!
    Sometime thereafter, Jordan Peele saw the film and, feeling that it deserved a theatrical release instead, acquired it from Netflix under his Monkeypaw Productions banner, which has a distribution deal with Universal Pictures

    Oh. Thanks Peele. You jerk.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    Not in every case, but in many cases, it's an Upton Sinclair "salary depends on not understanding something" situation

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    A lot of people have done a lot of work to make sure it's not taught in schools and then denigrate any kind of literacy analysis of pop culture as reading too much into things as if there aren't meanings to movies and tv shows.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Trying to describe poor things is complicated

    Horny
    Baby
    Frankenstein

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    GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    A lot of people have done a lot of work to make sure it's not taught in schools and then denigrate any kind of literacy analysis of pop culture as reading too much into things as if there aren't meanings to movies and tv shows.
    To the point that the showrunners for one of the biggest tv series of the last ten years actually said “themes are for nerds” in public.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Trying to describe poor things is complicated

    Horny
    Baby
    Frankenstein

    damn how'd you get an early peek at Tom Cardy's next song?

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    I’ve had people get into it with me when I’ve called Poor Things a horror film

    Now, I know that my “horror/genre in general is a broad brush and a lot more than people want to admit count as horror belief” can be seen as extreme, but even aside from that, I think the fucking literal Frankenstein homage that starts with a suicide victim being further tortured by being resurrected against their will should count, even if it has more than a handful of jokey-jokes too in its runtime

    This is kind of an ideal look at media literacy being dead.

    I would have never considered Poor Things horror, but even this short description of why Sweeney thinks it is makes sense to me. I love to see other peoples interpretations of things, even if I don't think it's right, but I like to know that interpretation is out there. But most people see any view that is different from their view as saying they're dumb and wrong for thinking the way they do. There is no understanding that you can come away with multiple different views on a piece of media depending on what lens you are examining it with.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited March 21
    Poor Things is a neat example because there’s a compelling argument for a ton of different themes and genres you could label it with. Is it horror? Is it comedy? A coming of age? A road trip movie? Is it about self discovery? Revenge and acceptance? Self determination? Parental relationships? Toxic masculinity? Fuckin’?

    Yes!

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    The poor things are actually the friends we made along the way

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Harmony Korine made a new home-invasion horror film shot like an FPS where the invaders’ faces are replaced with babies’. Might show up at Cannes

    There are so many things I love about this.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    edited March 21
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    I mean you're right but I feel like you are being a bit unfair to criticism of Poor Things. As someone who really liked it the movie makes some CHOICES.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    AtomicTofu wrote: »

    Oh my God

    They did

    A sad girl cover

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    so Ortega is just gonna do all of those Ryder/Ricci type roles now, huh

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Hollywood's got a new fragile goth girl to play with

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    don't try and make hollywood execs have new thoughts, it's too painful for everyone

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    edited March 22
    I'm gonna see this stupid fuckin' thing in the theater, aren't I? That's fine. This is fine.

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    N1tSt4lkerN1tSt4lker Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    A lot of people have done a lot of work to make sure it's not taught in schools and then denigrate any kind of literacy analysis of pop culture as reading too much into things as if there aren't meanings to movies and tv shows.

    The amount of times recently I have seen actual examples of parents objecting to text in English class because a "bad" thing exists in the text even though that thing is clearly presented as bad in the text (or a ploy--eg objecting to The Crucible because witchcraft. really??? REALLY??) is incredibly bewildering and disheartening. And I guarantee this group of parents and the ones complaining loudly about school not teaching critical thinking is a whole circle. Let's not forget that right-wing media has convinced a loud subgroup that "real" "critical thinking" equals agreeing with right-wing talking points and everything else is "indoctrination."

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    N1tSt4lker wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    A lot of people have done a lot of work to make sure it's not taught in schools and then denigrate any kind of literacy analysis of pop culture as reading too much into things as if there aren't meanings to movies and tv shows.

    The amount of times recently I have seen actual examples of parents objecting to text in English class because a "bad" thing exists in the text even though that thing is clearly presented as bad in the text (or a ploy--eg objecting to The Crucible because witchcraft. really??? REALLY??) is incredibly bewildering and disheartening. And I guarantee this group of parents and the ones complaining loudly about school not teaching critical thinking is a whole circle. Let's not forget that right-wing media has convinced a loud subgroup that "real" "critical thinking" equals agreeing with right-wing talking points and everything else is "indoctrination."

    There's been a pretty long tradition in America of shitting on arts education so while it's reached a real inflection point now, it's been a thing for a long time, probably really starting around WW1 when science was important to help the war effort.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited March 22
    im watching the new road house and why does it look like every scene was shot with a different camera? I feel like my eyes are getting whiplash as the quality dips and dives and then comes back. Just use one type of camera!

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    N1tSt4lker wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Other than almost deliberately bad takes and people who can't differentiate criticisms of Isreal with antisemitism who isn't comprehending zone of interest?

    there has been DIALOGUE about poor things where people find the movie misogynistic because of the subject matter because there are not red lights when the bad characters are on screen doing bad things and green lights when the good characters are on screen

    media literacy is fucking dead dead

    A lot of people have done a lot of work to make sure it's not taught in schools and then denigrate any kind of literacy analysis of pop culture as reading too much into things as if there aren't meanings to movies and tv shows.

    The amount of times recently I have seen actual examples of parents objecting to text in English class because a "bad" thing exists in the text even though that thing is clearly presented as bad in the text (or a ploy--eg objecting to The Crucible because witchcraft. really??? REALLY??) is incredibly bewildering and disheartening. And I guarantee this group of parents and the ones complaining loudly about school not teaching critical thinking is a whole circle. Let's not forget that right-wing media has convinced a loud subgroup that "real" "critical thinking" equals agreeing with right-wing talking points and everything else is "indoctrination."

    Objecting to 'The Crucible' because of witchcraft is a little on the nose, even for reality.

    But then again, I remember hearing about parents being upset at the book when I was in school for the same reason.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 22
    yeah The Crucible has been on the conservative naughty list for decades at this point, it's depressingly ironic

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited March 22
    So the new Road House is an odd film. Its about an MMA guy whos anger in the ring leads to him killing his opponent, and now he feels bad about it, but he kind of should. He didnt do it out of self defense, he was a violent out of control dick. The movie shows he feels bad about that but doesnt really show who he was before and why he was like that and why he would change after it.

    The movie also stars an actual real life MMA guy who was an unrepentant violent out of control prick, but as the bad guy. So thats a thing

    The film itself feels rushed and haphazard. Its a film weve all seen before and so somehow the film itself almost seems to skip past key beats and build up in response to that. The action is ok but some of the camera choices, where it has this fish eye lense that swirls around the action, is novel but also not really a great choice, especially as it leans heavily on cgi for a bunch of it (pretty much every stunt that involves like a car or something big falling involves cg, which I guess is safer given how many films are putting their stunt people in danger lately, but it doesnt look great)

    Gyllenhaal is very watchable and handsome and ripped, but his character kind of feels like he belongs in a different film. Hes a different choice to the originals 80s superbadass, more like your modern "death wish" down on his luck kind of sloppy hero. But theres just not much done with it. The roadhouse itself and the bouncing aspect is almost entirely gone

    Overall it just doesnt really work and doesnt have the dumb self seriousness and 80s earnest cheese of the original. It also just lacks the sense of pacing and build up the original has.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Tonight I had a second date where the girl suggested a variety of films for us to watch.

    But she pushed hardest for us to watch 1986's From Beyond.

    Folks... That is an INSANE movie to watch on a second date.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    *reads the Wiki article*
    That sounds like an insane movie to watch on any date.

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    KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Per Deadline, Jeffrey Wright will be joining Denzel Washington in a Spike Lee-directed remake of Akira Kurosawa's High and Low.

    There's probably something that could get me more on board, but I really have no idea what could possibly do it.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited March 22
    *reads the Wiki article*
    That sounds like an insane movie to watch on any date.

    I... I saw things...

    NSFW
    In one scene, the scientist (who has become sexually addicted to the resonation science experiment) changes into a dominatrix outfit and then gives mutated Jeffrey Combs a hand job?!

    AND THEN SHE LICKS HER FINGERS?!?!

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