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I think Twitter has got a lot of “dead users” who are still signed up, still sign on occasionally to check things like snowplow notifications, but don’t use it for fun because it feels like going to a Trump rally, which is not fun for most people, even most Trump voters.
I think Twitter has got a lot of “dead users” who are still signed up, still sign on occasionally to check things like snowplow notifications, but don’t use it for fun because it feels like going to a Trump rally, which is not fun for most people, even most Trump voters.
That and if somebody links a twitter thread you need an account to see the whole thread, because Elon truly ruined all the usefulness of the app.
Part of me is happy that this seemed to be the final straw for a lot of folks, but another, perhaps larger, part of me is annoyed that apparently none of the other straws were final enough.
It didn't help that Bluesky made it very hard to sign up for the longest time so it was pretty tough to actually jump to Bluesky.
Plus it was always going to take some kind of big event, because as much as social media is to see what my friends are doing, there's also reporters, sports, and other official things I want to keep track of and they weren't on Bluesky before. Now a bunch of reporters have made the jump, as has a lot of the big sports reporters and giffers so you can follow sports there as well as you could on twitter.
And you know it's going well, because we keep getting articles about how you have to stay on twitter and debate the nazis.
The limitations on signups was probably a good thing. Getting people to leave Twitter for anywhere else has been difficult enough without their possible destination app having a meme event like crapping out under load or the like.
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I think Twitter has got a lot of “dead users” who are still signed up, still sign on occasionally to check things like snowplow notifications, but don’t use it for fun because it feels like going to a Trump rally, which is not fun for most people, even most Trump voters.
I think a lot of Twitter was always that and most of them haven't left or if they have it's because Musk has made Twitter worse to use on a purely UX level. And that gets even bigger when you consider the number of people who would just read twitter without an account.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
The failed launch of DeSantis' campaign for president is what should have caused the mass exodus from Twitter. It was tangible proof that Musk had rendered the network physically incapable of reaching people on a scale it used to. Fortnite can host virtual concerts to tens of millions simultaneously, but Twitter could no longer handle broadcasting a zoom call with maybe the 5th-most popular 2024 candidate. If that wasn't enough for press media then the inability to broadcast an audio only conference call with Trump the year after that should have been enough.
The writing on the wall of Twitter becoming the vanity project of nazi-sympathizing billionaire with no other useful utility was there two years ago and Blue Sky has been waiting in its current form for at least a year. This should not have taken this long.
It's also proving the axiom of "the more general purpose something gets, the more shitty it gets until you it can't do any of it's stated purposes well."
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An "everything app" is a dumb idea because that's essentially what an operating system is and it would take a hell of a lot more investment beyond buying the world's most toxic social media platform to compete with iOS.
Google is basically an everything app, or at least an everything app suite
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An "everything app" is a dumb idea because that's essentially what an operating system is and it would take a hell of a lot more investment beyond buying the world's most toxic social media platform to compete with iOS.
I assume by everything app, Musk means a WeChat clone which isn't even close to everything. It's messaging, voice, social media and payments last I checked. I don't think you can replicate WeChat, a very specific set of circumstances occured in China from 2010 - 2015 that caused it to be a success, but starting from zero is a lot harder than starting with a base platform aka Twitter.
If anything, I'd think you would look around and realize that very few apps exist that combine multiple features, WeChat is pretty much the only one I can think of that crosses into payments. There's probably a reason for this, but I assume Musk thinks he's a genius who can break the mold.
That and with the less than existent consumer tech support you can expect from Google or Microsoft there's little reason to want all of your stuff in one application with one login anyway. I can go visit my Credit Union in person if everything is all messed up, but if my banking app is also my webmail app and also my authenticator app and it is broken, then I'm hosed.
An "everything app" is a dumb idea because that's essentially what an operating system is and it would take a hell of a lot more investment beyond buying the world's most toxic social media platform to compete with iOS.
I assume by everything app, Musk means a WeChat clone which isn't even close to everything. It's messaging, voice, social media and payments last I checked. I don't think you can replicate WeChat, a very specific set of circumstances occured in China from 2010 - 2015 that caused it to be a success, but starting from zero is a lot harder than starting with a base platform aka Twitter.
If anything, I'd think you would look around and realize that very few apps exist that combine multiple features, WeChat is pretty much the only one I can think of that crosses into payments. There's probably a reason for this, but I assume Musk thinks he's a genius who can break the mold.
Facebook is essentially the internet for some countries like India, but a vast majority those users and WeChat users probably didn't experience the freedom of web 1.0 or early 2.0. You can't replicate WeChat in the US or Europe because its not something anyone is really asking for.
The failed launch of DeSantis' campaign for president is what should have caused the mass exodus from Twitter. It was tangible proof that Musk had rendered the network physically incapable of reaching people on a scale it used to. Fortnite can host virtual concerts to tens of millions simultaneously, but Twitter could no longer handle broadcasting a zoom call with maybe the 5th-most popular 2024 candidate. If that wasn't enough for press media then the inability to broadcast an audio only conference call with Trump the year after that should have been enough.
The writing on the wall of Twitter becoming the vanity project of nazi-sympathizing billionaire with no other useful utility was there two years ago and Blue Sky has been waiting in its current form for at least a year. This should not have taken this long.
Why? Basically no one cares about using twitter as a mass streaming platform. Musk's inability to accomplish that is hilarious and stupid but it's not really relevant to what most of the people using twitter want the platform for.
Not to defend Musk, but live streaming to a mass audience is one of the harder problems to solve and every company that tries it has very public failures. Netflix is the obvious recent example that comes to mind with the Tyson fight. X isn't exactly on the same scale as I see estimates of 500k trying to view DeSantis, but it's still a hard problem and most times the service tries to start small and scale up gradually.
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Not to defend Musk, but live streaming to a mass audience is one of the harder problems to solve and every company that tries it has very public failures. Netflix is the obvious recent example that comes to mind with the Tyson fight. X isn't exactly on the same scale as I see estimates of 500k trying to view DeSantis, but it's still a hard problem and most times the service tries to start small and scale up gradually.
Netflix had a bigger problem for sure.
Give me a week and I can stand up something that can handle half a million viewers, because the SaaS offerings out there can give you 1mm concurrent off the shelf.
Musk literally doesn’t know what he is doing and fired all the people who could help solution for him.
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More precisely video streaming is difficult. Fortnite can do their concert thing because all the assets are already loaded locally and each group of 100 or so is on a separate server running a prebuilt script. That is a solved problem
Google is basically an everything app, or at least an everything app suite
But that's really just a collection of similarly branded products, each with their own apps and websites. "Everything app" advocates want everything to literally be inside of one app. There are a ton of good reasons why things didn't move in that direction in the US, but people like Musk refuse to learn from the past.
I'd rather five apps that each do one thing I need done well, than one app that does ten things poorly, only five of which I need or want to begin with.
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More precisely video streaming is difficult. Fortnite can do their concert thing because all the assets are already loaded locally and each group of 100 or so is on a separate server running a prebuilt script. That is a solved problem
The DeSantis launch didn't flop because of the complication of video streaming it flopped because Musk gutted the network's capability to cut costs. Twitter of old likely would have been able to handle that launch just fine. Musk cut their active server count in half within the first month or two of his takeover.
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That and if somebody links a twitter thread you need an account to see the whole thread, because Elon truly ruined all the usefulness of the app.
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The limitations on signups was probably a good thing. Getting people to leave Twitter for anywhere else has been difficult enough without their possible destination app having a meme event like crapping out under load or the like.
I think a lot of Twitter was always that and most of them haven't left or if they have it's because Musk has made Twitter worse to use on a purely UX level. And that gets even bigger when you consider the number of people who would just read twitter without an account.
The writing on the wall of Twitter becoming the vanity project of nazi-sympathizing billionaire with no other useful utility was there two years ago and Blue Sky has been waiting in its current form for at least a year. This should not have taken this long.
{Twitter, Everybody's doing it. }{Writing and Story Blog}
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I assume by everything app, Musk means a WeChat clone which isn't even close to everything. It's messaging, voice, social media and payments last I checked. I don't think you can replicate WeChat, a very specific set of circumstances occured in China from 2010 - 2015 that caused it to be a success, but starting from zero is a lot harder than starting with a base platform aka Twitter.
If anything, I'd think you would look around and realize that very few apps exist that combine multiple features, WeChat is pretty much the only one I can think of that crosses into payments. There's probably a reason for this, but I assume Musk thinks he's a genius who can break the mold.
Facebook is essentially the internet for some countries like India, but a vast majority those users and WeChat users probably didn't experience the freedom of web 1.0 or early 2.0. You can't replicate WeChat in the US or Europe because its not something anyone is really asking for.
So does Threads now!
Entirely because of how Bluesky has been eating their engagement lunch lately, mind you.
Why? Basically no one cares about using twitter as a mass streaming platform. Musk's inability to accomplish that is hilarious and stupid but it's not really relevant to what most of the people using twitter want the platform for.
Netflix had a bigger problem for sure.
Give me a week and I can stand up something that can handle half a million viewers, because the SaaS offerings out there can give you 1mm concurrent off the shelf.
Musk literally doesn’t know what he is doing and fired all the people who could help solution for him.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
But that's really just a collection of similarly branded products, each with their own apps and websites. "Everything app" advocates want everything to literally be inside of one app. There are a ton of good reasons why things didn't move in that direction in the US, but people like Musk refuse to learn from the past.
The DeSantis launch didn't flop because of the complication of video streaming it flopped because Musk gutted the network's capability to cut costs. Twitter of old likely would have been able to handle that launch just fine. Musk cut their active server count in half within the first month or two of his takeover.