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Bazed And Confused!

Penny Arcade - Comic - Bazed And Confused

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Oh man. This just reminds me of a book where there's an evil wizard who is actually a baby that is attached to someone. I thought at first it must be a D&D standard monster, but google disproved that so I think it was some fantasy novel. They eventually have to kill the baby. Ring a bell to anyone?

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    Sounds a bit like Vilitch the Curseling from Warhammer but I only know about him from Total War, so I'm not sure if he's in a novel or armybook or whatever.

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    Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Isn't bezos basically retired now? I remember he quit and then Amazon started laying people off and forcing hybrid work for no good reason and generally got much worse. It's weird but I think he might have actually been better than the new guy.

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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    It looks kind of similar to master-blaster from mad max 3

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    tgbennett30tgbennett30 Registered User regular
    Possible OLD school reference - George R R Martin's "Wild Cards" series (1990's) had a character that was essentially a vampire but baby-sized and it used to camp out on its victims' backs (and they'd carry it around for days) and it would influence their thinking and behavior through severe addiction manipulation.

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    tgbennett30tgbennett30 Registered User regular
    https://wildcards.fandom.com/wiki/Ti_Malice in case folks were wondering....

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Augh, none of these are my question (though they could have been what inspired the strip). And thanks to ChatGPT/Gemini, I find that there's plenty of books with similar concepts. In this book, there was a fantasy name for this type of demon baby, and they were very conflicted about killing it.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 26
    I finally figured it out. It's in The One Tree, the second book of The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever. It's a baby that's carried like a rucksack on the back of Kasreyn. He's an incredible and long-lived wizard in a land Covenant visits. The baby turns out to be an evil being called a croyel, to which the wizard bonded himself in return for power. Rather than blood soaked claws, though, it just looks like a baby with it's cheek up against the wizard's back.

    Given the series and what I know of Jerry, I can nearly guarantee he's read those books at one point. I bet some of that seeped into this comic.
    Update:

    Hah! I asked Jerry and this is his response:
    That book is mega wild, holy shit - I'm sure Mike read it too..

    So neither of them were referencing it intentionally, but I bet it set up house in their brains in some dark corner. Wonder if they'll mention it in the news post.

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    Emperor MegamanEmperor Megaman Registered User regular
    ^That book indeed sound like some wild stuffs.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 26
    Yeah, there's some stuff in that series.

    Spoilers for plot but also sexual assault discussion.
    The protagonist is intentionally quite unlikeable. He's a whiny, self-absorbed asshole, basically. Also, he brutally rapes the first person he met when he is first magically transported from the real world to this fantasy realm, a 16 year old girl who was nice to him. His "excuse" is that this all must be a dream, so why not go ahead and rape a girl, right? After this she goes insane and has his daughter (from the rape). He sends a magical horse to comfort her.

    In a later book he returns to the realm (where more time has passed than for him), and this daughter falls in love with with him.

    The books are a powerful read, but I (and many readers) have a love/hate relationship with them. They're often a miserable slog, and you ask yourself why you bother reading them. It's kind of like how 1984 isn't exactly a "fun" book, but it's still a good book. Not that these books are on that level. But there's just something about them.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    That's the one Thomas Covenant book I've read I think, and it was for some reason in my elementary school library.

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »

    The books are a powerful read, but I (and many readers) have a love/hate relationship with them. They're often a miserable slog, and you ask yourself why you bother reading them. It's kind of like how 1984 isn't exactly a "fun" book, but it's still a good book. Not that these books are on that level. But there's just something about them.

    It's one of the few series I put down almost immediately as a kid due to sheer distaste. Which is saying something because reading was one of my few accessible forms of entertainment back then. I will admit it takes a certain skill to write a character that unlikable, but I was offput to the point that I did not care to find out by further reading if there was ever a "redemption" arc of character development for them.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »

    The books are a powerful read, but I (and many readers) have a love/hate relationship with them. They're often a miserable slog, and you ask yourself why you bother reading them. It's kind of like how 1984 isn't exactly a "fun" book, but it's still a good book. Not that these books are on that level. But there's just something about them.

    It's one of the few series I put down almost immediately as a kid due to sheer distaste. Which is saying something because reading was one of my few accessible forms of entertainment back then. I will admit it takes a certain skill to write a character that unlikable, but I was offput to the point that I did not care to find out by further reading if there was ever a "redemption" arc of character development for them.

    It's totally understandable, and I ask myself whether it was worth it to have stuck with them. Especially when the third series came out.

    And FYI, there never really is a redemption, per se. More of a coming to terms. At least, from memory.

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    SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    edited April 27
    dennis wrote: »
    I finally figured it out. It's in The One Tree, the second book of The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever. It's a baby that's carried like a rucksack on the back of Kasreyn. He's an incredible and long-lived wizard in a land Covenant visits. The baby turns out to be an evil being called a croyel, to which the wizard bonded himself in return for power. Rather than blood soaked claws, though, it just looks like a baby with it's cheek up against the wizard's back.

    Given the series and what I know of Jerry, I can nearly guarantee he's read those books at one point. I bet some of that seeped into this comic.
    Update:

    Hah! I asked Jerry and this is his response:
    That book is mega wild, holy shit - I'm sure Mike read it too..

    So neither of them were referencing it intentionally, but I bet it set up house in their brains in some dark corner. Wonder if they'll mention it in the news post.

    The second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant helped me learn English way back when.

    Regarding redemption, IIRC, by the time the protagonist accepts the setting as a real place, both the mother and the daughter in question have been dead for thousands of years, due to how time works there.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    The second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant helped me learn English way back when.

    Okay, that's kind of funny. Not because of you, but because of Stephen Thesaurus Donaldson. He's the "let me pull out as many obscure words as I can find" guy. He'll also take an obscure word and way overuse it, putting a word you've never heard before in over and over again.

    Here's some examples: jerrid, surquedy, incused, fetor (oh boy, was that one used about 1,000 times), roynish, lucubration, catenulated, condign (another favorite), serried, moil.

    That's just a sampling. Here's a more exhaustive (and exhausting) list:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20150218032816/http://gdiproductions.net/srdamd/

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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    I thought this was bad enough

    https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/11/04/a-malevolent-banquet

    I guess I don’t read a lot of books for adults

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    palidine40palidine40 Registered User regular
    how DARE you have a life

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    PyrianPyrian Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    Especially when the third series came out.
    There's a third series? I found the second series quite a slog, but at least it wrapped things up. I thought.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Pyrian wrote: »
    dennis wrote: »
    Especially when the third series came out.
    There's a third series? I found the second series quite a slog, but at least it wrapped things up. I thought.

    The Last Chronicles of yadda yadda. There were four big books in it this time.

    At this point, I can't even tell you 90% of what happened in all 10 books.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    Whenever people on this forum talk about adult fantasy they've read, I can't tell if fantasy books in particular have become extremely perverted or if it's just that I haven't really read much fiction in general that's not classics or YA novels. I kinda feel bad that I dropped off leisure reading after college, but I also kinda don't.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 29
    Whenever people on this forum talk about adult fantasy they've read, I can't tell if fantasy books in particular have become extremely perverted or if it's just that I haven't really read much fiction in general that's not classics or YA novels. I kinda feel bad that I dropped off leisure reading after college, but I also kinda don't.

    Hmmm, depends on what you mean. The stuff in the Covenant series isn't very explicit (in terms of graphic writing). It's horrible stuff happening but they don't go into details. On the other hand, Chuck Tingle. That's a very different kind of thing, and there's probably more of it you can get in non-fanfic form than in olden times.

    But I'd say F&SF has always been a pretty randy crowd in general. That said, you could read S&SF fiction forever and steer clear of that, so I wouldn't be too happy about avoiding it.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    Oh, I'm sure there's still plenty of stuff out there that would suit me if I got off my butt and went looking for it; that part was mostly hyperbole.

    It's just something I noticed that, at least on this forum, any time F&SF books are brought up at all, it's someone talking about the wild SA, pedo, or incest content in a given series. And that's the kind of stuff I have no desire to read regardless of how explicitly described it is. And having grown up on a lot gentler YA stuff (Wheel of Time and Mercedes Lackey were about as edgy as it got for me), it's just crazy to me how much this seems to be part and parcel with the genre. Not to judge, I guess it's just a sign that the genre is not for me.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 29
    I wouldn't call it part and parcel with the genre. I read a ton of books, and I'd say that's a very small part of what I wind up reading. Or almost nonexistent with pedo/incest stuff.

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    tgbennett30tgbennett30 Registered User regular
    Piers Anthony says hello :-P

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited April 29
    Basically you learn to pick authors/series wisely, especially in a genre as broad as fantasy & sci-fi. Any creative endeavor is going to have some creators/works of varying persuasions that one would personally prefer to avoid.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited April 29
    Whenever people on this forum talk about adult fantasy they've read, I can't tell if fantasy books in particular have become extremely perverted or if it's just that I haven't really read much fiction in general that's not classics or YA novels. I kinda feel bad that I dropped off leisure reading after college, but I also kinda don't.

    It's not new. There's pretty much always been a "_____ but horny" variant of every genre, and science fiction and fantasy have excuses to go a bit harder on it. The erosion of obscenity laws has helped proliferate them (you can mail them and don't need to curtain off a special shame room to sell them) but there's a reason every trash mid century genre novel had a big muscle dude and a woman naked except for some very optimistic cloth scraps on the cover.

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    PyrianPyrian Registered User regular
    John Varley's Gaea Trilogy took the cake for me (and probably boffed it). E.g., centaurs with three sets of genitals and full-page diagrams of their various reproductive combinations.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Oh right, I forgot about the centaur fisting.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    So I assume they had horse parts and people parts but I don't have the mental fortitude to ask where the third set was.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    So I assume they had horse parts and people parts but I don't have the mental fortitude to ask where the third set was.

    Everything you didn't want to know and were wise enough not to ask:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1eaypm/comment/c9yh5bi/

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited April 30
    dennis wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    So I assume they had horse parts and people parts but I don't have the mental fortitude to ask where the third set was.

    Everything you didn't want to know and were wise enough not to ask:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1eaypm/comment/c9yh5bi/

    "Bobby has created the opposite of art."

    It just keeps getting weirder the farther you go.

    Do they... Do they need a wizard to lick the egg? Can they not reproduce otherwise?

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    NO. That's gross.

    The wizard can just spit on it.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    I can't decide if that's better or not.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited April 30
    Nah, I'm just joking with you. They stick in their mouth. And then she "implants" it back in. Can't make a centaur baby without fisting a few eggs.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Wow I'd forgotten about that. Wasn't the involvement of the Wizard because the AI that made the whole thing wanted to essentially shackle her to Titan because it knew she'd never leave if an entire species depended on her for their continued existence?

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Whenever people on this forum talk about adult fantasy they've read, I can't tell if fantasy books in particular have become extremely perverted or if it's just that I haven't really read much fiction in general that's not classics or YA novels. I kinda feel bad that I dropped off leisure reading after college, but I also kinda don't.

    It's not new. There's pretty much always been a "_____ but horny" variant of every genre, and science fiction and fantasy have excuses to go a bit harder on it. The erosion of obscenity laws has helped proliferate them (you can mail them and don't need to curtain off a special shame room to sell them) but there's a reason every trash mid century genre novel had a big muscle dude and a woman naked except for some very optimistic cloth scraps on the cover.
    Yeah, it's definitely not a "has become" thing. Like Robert Heinlein was a hugely influential SF author, often called the Dean of Science Fiction and most of his stuff was published before I was born and had all sorts of eyebrow raising stuff in it.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Whenever people on this forum talk about adult fantasy they've read, I can't tell if fantasy books in particular have become extremely perverted or if it's just that I haven't really read much fiction in general that's not classics or YA novels. I kinda feel bad that I dropped off leisure reading after college, but I also kinda don't.

    It's not new. There's pretty much always been a "_____ but horny" variant of every genre, and science fiction and fantasy have excuses to go a bit harder on it. The erosion of obscenity laws has helped proliferate them (you can mail them and don't need to curtain off a special shame room to sell them) but there's a reason every trash mid century genre novel had a big muscle dude and a woman naked except for some very optimistic cloth scraps on the cover.
    Yeah, it's definitely not a "has become" thing. Like Robert Heinlein was a hugely influential SF author, often called the Dean of Science Fiction and most of his stuff was published before I was born and had all sorts of eyebrow raising stuff in it.

    Listen, if raising twin clones of your mother as your daughters and then fucking them is "wrong" then I for one, uhm... I... Look, it's not as if... well, yeah, OK I see your point

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    And 15 is legal in lots of places, actually!

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