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[Anime] of Fall 2024: Aliens VS Spirits, Remakes VS Isekais

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix7QURhM7jE

    holy fuck

    science saru adapting the GITS manga into a tv series

    holy shit holy shit holy shit

  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Dr Stone generally takes a fairly basic "civilization is good" stance, and you shouldn't expect any nuanced takes on politics. But it doesn't really do anything problematic that I can think of. The science stuff is a fun gimmick even though it's almost always completely absurd if you ever stop to think about the practicalities.

    Mostly I'd give it side eye for a weak ending that speed ran a bunch of stuff in a very boring fashion, and a bunch of cheesecake that started getting somewhat gross by the end of the series
    aging up the young female character, and only her, so she can now also be subjected to cheesecake was a fucking choice

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  • neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix7QURhM7jE

    holy fuck

    science saru adapting the GITS manga into a tv series

    holy shit holy shit holy shit

    the last adaptation suuuuuuuuuuuucked. I don't need no teenage "major" with 3d animation. Adult characters plz. 2d animation plz.

    The manga is also..... not as good as GitS season 1 and 2 from back in the early 2000s. So I am hesitant.

    Science Saru rocks though.

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    if it's any consolation, Science Saru seems to specialize in 2D CG rather than 3D CG

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Whippy wrote: »
    It’s not really ever gross(though the mangaka has a background in h, if that turns you off), it’s more one of those shonen that’s actually secretly teaching you something Practical. science and chemistry shit in this case
    It's definitely more about "given only stone age tools, how could we smelt aluminium" than "how should we Remake Politics But Get It Right This Time"; there's some social aspects in there but it's not what the writer's interested in. And, yeah, it can be fairly cheesecake-y at times, but only like, say, One Piece, it's not the point of the story, it's just what the artist likes to draw at times.

    There are some great moments in there, so if you like the way it starts, you'll probably like the way it keeps going.

    Ok, that's good to hear. The only context I had previously was those crappy, contextless Crunchyroll ads I saw a couple of years ago.

    Also, looking up Inagaki I see he made a company to ensure manga creators keep their copyright on their work? That's pretty rad.

    One small spoiler for the “restart humanity” thing
    It’s not a “repopulate the earth” angle, it’s figuring out how to produce a chemical to free everyone from the peteification, plus how to rebuild society to support bringing everyone back who was petrified.

    It’s really good and has some really heart warming and bittersweet moments in there

    One sad thing is
    They do reinvent capitalism to appease/motivate their chosen revived sea captain, as well as a bunch of people they brought back to motivate them by creating a small fashion-and-ramen-based economy to build a seafaring ship

    Also maybe it’s headcanon but I am like completely convinced that Senku is potentially the most Ace man on the planet, petrified or not
    Capitalism returning is a bummer, although I was more worried about, like, slavery returning

    Thankfully, as lax as Jump can be, I don’t think they’ve let their standards drop that far

    Closest thing I can think of is like
    The goals of the evil vizier type of character who’s the villain for one arc, and so they gotta free the village he’s ruling

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited May 25
    At this point I think going into any new GitS media holding it up to SAC or the first movie is just a silly exercise in unnecessarily kneecapping your experience in advance tbh.

    Science Saru have a solid track record of good shows and I'm interested in seeing a decent take on the original material.

    Veldrin on
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix7QURhM7jE

    holy fuck

    science saru adapting the GITS manga into a tv series

    holy shit holy shit holy shit

    Celebratory bangers in honor of the news

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxkMzn4et2U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIqgxeNtl0

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited May 25
    mainly I just wanna see Kusanagi being a goofy little gremlin

    Veldrin on
  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    It's still going to be an adaption of some sort, given that manga and animation are different mediums, that have their pros and cons. So that could either result in a superior piece of work than the manga or it could be worse, depending on how well the team making the anime handle things, when they have to figure out how to present the story from the manga in a way that will play well with the constraints that anime TV shows have.

  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited May 25
    Well, I wanted to like Kaiju No. 8, but the main character is immensely fucking annoying.

    Leans way too hard into the "plucky goofball loser" schtick.

    RT800 on
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited May 26
    OH SHIT, THERE IS ANOTHER

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvs3YCI1HE

    e: .....this mashup isn't anywhere near as good as the previous ones

    Jragghen on
  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    I ended up dropping the manga because I felt like it was dragging. It's a shame because it had an interesting concept, but it really feels like it fell into the typical BS that many mangas get caught up in. You get a story that would be great as a short run manga, but too many people calling the shots, decided let's milk this property for all it's worth and try making it a long running series, even when the bones probably don't support it and it gets worse, when you get cases where it goes against the author's original vision (note, not sure if the creator here wanted Kaiju No. 8 to be a long running series or if that was what Shonen Jump pushed for).

    As someone said, not all series need deep plots or complex back stories. I would add to that though, that series that go that route also need to understand that they also have a finite one before that start to feel like they are being stretched thin. Kaiju No. 8, really could have worked well as a short run manga, play to it's strength of absurd Kaiju vs super soldiers with special suits made from the corpses of dead monsters. Sure it would be less lucrative than what the suits at Shonen Jump want, but that could have worked very well. It would have gotten the author more publicity, experience and feedback, that they could have then made use of for their next manga.

    I also have doubt that Shonen Jump's approach is really doing them any favors. It's more likely that it creates the illusion that they are getting their money's worth because they have all these long mangas, that start out fairly strong and then just drop off after a few months. Problem for them is they likely keep those going for several weeks, where they aren't really making money or getting more readers off of those titles because the suits don't quite get that this is the information age and we have this thing called the internet. People that have money to burn on entertainment have lots of options and they can and do bolt to entertainment that is keeping their attention. Hell, those of us that are poor, can also leverage the internet to find legal entertainment that meets our fancy, instead of slogging through tiles that have lost our interest.

  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    It being Science Saru gives me some hesitant excitement but I'm just gonna try and forget about this entirely until it releases and allow myself zero hype.

  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    edited May 26
    As dope as the one piece manga is the anime for dessrosa is way better

    The scene where fujitora winks at donflamingo is one of the hardest scenes ever and it's a anime original

    The Cow King on
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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited May 26
    I don't know that any amount of small additions can save the anime from its filler pacing compared to the manga

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  • NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    I don't know that any amount of small additions can save the anime from its filler pacing compared to the manga

    Also, well.
    Dressrosa is 102 chapters.
    Dressrosa is 118 episodes.

    Assuming an average episode runtime of 22 minutes, that's 42 hours and 16 minutes.

    Meanwhile reading a chapter takes... I dunno, five minutes maybe? So 8 hours 30 minutes.

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited May 26
    I caught up to current on the anime from like, back in alabasta where I left off in the olde dayes from the 4kids dub, up to dressrosa, and then dropped the whole thing because the weekly "nothing happens or is resolved or is interrupted by another flashback to a tragic backstory" became too much for me when I could no longer just skip ahead. Gave the anime another shot with whole cake island and it was even worse about this. As much as I enjoy one piece in theory, and enjoy following the manga weekly, I dislike the one piece anime.

    BahamutZERO on
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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    I'm here for the JJK nuclear takes

  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    I mean there are.moments in the anime (during battles really) that are good as a whole it's worse but it has some incredible moments

    Jjk this week is hilarious

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    One Piece is great!

    JJK is what?!

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    That's the most interesting JJK has been in a long time, possibly since even before the Culling Arc, the ramifications are nuts.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    mainly I just wanna see Kusanagi being a goofy little gremlin

    It really amuses me, in retrospect, that we never got that with the original GitS, because I think up until, like, the original adaptation if you suggested Oshii as the director of a Ghost adaptation, people would have figured you would of course get that mix of Action Drama and Complete Goofball bullshit, because that dichotomy was 100% Oshii’s Wheelhouse. His work on Urusei Yatsura, Patlabor’s tonal swings, even his first live action film Red Spectacles dwells so heavily within that swing between Serious Political Business and “oh Christ our protagonist is the dumbest person on the planet, aren’t they?” Style Comedy.

    And then Ghost in the Shell hits and it’s just 100% serious Philosopher Oshii. No comedic bits, no characters embracing the doofus jester doing a jig at the core of their soul. Just the business.

    Not to detract from what the first film was and is, but it’s just fascinating to see Oshii eschew what you would think would be a perfect fit of the wider breadth of his sensibilities to just focus on the seriousness of it all.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    One art detail about JJK
    Is it me or, especially at the end, is Gege drawing Okkotsu-Gojo’s eyes more like Okkotsu’s than Gojo’s? If so that’s a nice touch to emphasize through the art that it’s Okkotsu, and not Gojo, in there now

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    it's funny how different Movie Oshii is from TV Series Oshii

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    it's funny how different Movie Oshii is from TV Series Oshii

    Red Spectacles is 100% pure TV Oshii, which is itself a whiplash moment if you’re coming into this after just being acquainted with his other films. Like even Beautiful Dreamer is more serious in tone overall.

    Stray Dog definitely goes back to Movie Oshii Oshii, but it’s also got its moments of levity when the time comes.

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  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Whippy wrote: »
    It’s not really ever gross(though the mangaka has a background in h, if that turns you off), it’s more one of those shonen that’s actually secretly teaching you something Practical. science and chemistry shit in this case
    It's definitely more about "given only stone age tools, how could we smelt aluminium" than "how should we Remake Politics But Get It Right This Time"; there's some social aspects in there but it's not what the writer's interested in. And, yeah, it can be fairly cheesecake-y at times, but only like, say, One Piece, it's not the point of the story, it's just what the artist likes to draw at times.

    There are some great moments in there, so if you like the way it starts, you'll probably like the way it keeps going.

    Ok, that's good to hear. The only context I had previously was those crappy, contextless Crunchyroll ads I saw a couple of years ago.

    Also, looking up Inagaki I see he made a company to ensure manga creators keep their copyright on their work? That's pretty rad.

    One small spoiler for the “restart humanity” thing
    It’s not a “repopulate the earth” angle, it’s figuring out how to produce a chemical to free everyone from the peteification, plus how to rebuild society to support bringing everyone back who was petrified.

    It’s really good and has some really heart warming and bittersweet moments in there

    One sad thing is
    They do reinvent capitalism to appease/motivate their chosen revived sea captain, as well as a bunch of people they brought back to motivate them by creating a small fashion-and-ramen-based economy to build a seafaring ship

    Also maybe it’s headcanon but I am like completely convinced that Senku is potentially the most Ace man on the planet, petrified or not
    Capitalism returning is a bummer, although I was more worried about, like, slavery returning
    Yeah, it doesn't do anything like that. It's more of a "return to the status quo" kind of thing. Which is wasted potential, but kind of hard to get a lot of political nuance when you're making a mass media product aimed for 11 year old boys. That said, one thing I appreciate is that while the story ultimately embraces capitalism, the communist antagonist does show the creators actually understand the underpinnings of opposing philosophies, which makes the rejection of said philosophy more palatable, personally. If anything, the thing the story takes greater issue with is his anti-agrarianism. It also helps that the capitalist character is a lot of fun.

    I need to pick Dr. Stone back up. I think I stopped during the 4th story arc.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Re: Dr Stone stuff
    From what I remember of the capitalism character, he embodies the "ideal" purpose of capitalism more than the "reality" of capitalism in that he believes it exists as a means to provide people incentive for putting in work to reach a goal, as opposed to its existence as a means to extract wealth and consolidate it.

  • GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Re: Dr Stone stuff
    From what I remember of the capitalism character, he embodies the "ideal" purpose of capitalism more than the "reality" of capitalism in that he believes it exists as a means to provide people incentive for putting in work to reach a goal, as opposed to its existence as a means to extract wealth and consolidate it.
    Yeah, his whole deal is a lot more “ I want to live my life to the fullest and experience all the world has to offer” than “I want all the things to be mine alone fuck everyone else”

  • asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Re: Dr Stone stuff
    From what I remember of the capitalism character, he embodies the "ideal" purpose of capitalism more than the "reality" of capitalism in that he believes it exists as a means to provide people incentive for putting in work to reach a goal, as opposed to its existence as a means to extract wealth and consolidate it.
    Yeah, his whole deal is a lot more “ I want to live my life to the fullest and experience all the world has to offer” than “I want all the things to be mine alone fuck everyone else”
    ah, the innocence of youth

  • AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    At this point, I am resigned to the fact that I hated JJK so much and for so long, that I am no longer able to recognize if it does something good, because I hate pretty much everything on principle.

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Asthariel wrote: »
    At this point, I am resigned to the fact that I hated JJK so much and for so long, that I am no longer able to recognize if it does something good, because I hate pretty much everything on principle.

    I view this more as funny, personally.
    like, it's dumb as hell. But it's dumb within the constraints of the systems which have been set up, astonishingly no asspulls and it's one of the most mercenary things I've ever seen the good guys do in any medium. It's dumb as hell, but it's one of the smartest dumb as hell things that's happened.

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    asofyeun wrote: »
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Re: Dr Stone stuff
    From what I remember of the capitalism character, he embodies the "ideal" purpose of capitalism more than the "reality" of capitalism in that he believes it exists as a means to provide people incentive for putting in work to reach a goal, as opposed to its existence as a means to extract wealth and consolidate it.
    Yeah, his whole deal is a lot more “ I want to live my life to the fullest and experience all the world has to offer” than “I want all the things to be mine alone fuck everyone else”
    ah, the innocence of youth
    Yeah, apparently 20 when petrified.

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Just settin’ this here.

    https://youtu.be/XA4jmyg3rhY

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Please, please, please let the animation for the action be real good.

  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Asthariel wrote: »
    At this point, I am resigned to the fact that I hated JJK so much and for so long, that I am no longer able to recognize if it does something good, because I hate pretty much everything on principle.

    I'm in "Any actual bloody foreshadowing other than the craziest of crazy hypotheticals would have helped this land a lot b etter".

    It's dumb enough i have to laugh.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    I really need to read Sakamoto Days one of these days.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Owenashi wrote: »
    Please, please, please let the animation for the action be real good.

    Apparently the studio isn't being seen as, well, an optimal choice:
    "Damn. This series would probably have explode if it was given a decent adaptation like JJK was. It's pretty much Dad John Wick and has some of the best action paneling in Jump right now.

    I don't have any faith in that studio."
    "Goddamnit, TMS is animating. There's no hope for this. I'm crushed.

    Shueisha had a smash hit on their hands and decided to throw it away. Fucking unbelievable. "

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  • NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    I really need to read Sakamoto Days one of these days.

    It's a fun manga! It kind of has that classic thing where a comedy manga with action eventually moves into being an action manga with comedy, but it's still got some good gags mixed in with the increasingly ludicrous action so I'm fine with it.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    This week on Delicious in Dungeon: Back to the dungeon.

    https://youtu.be/ZCWCNGK4Q_Y

  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Tsukimichi S2 Episode 21
    Tomoki cast Nuke!
    It wasn't very effective.

    Mio trying to learn a new technique is amusing because it's already been shown when she wants to learn something she'll just throw herself completely into it until she has. She did it with cooking and now she's trying to snatch Left's reflection ability by triggering it repeatedly with her Dark Spirit Gun Yu Yu Hakusho move. Then she'll probably just eat him.

    Makoto did not get to HENSHIN but he did place himself in the path of imminent combat next week and Hibiki is right there so I guess that qualifies as "meeting" for now. Nevermind Tomoki at the bottom of a hole somewhere, he can stay there.

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