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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    I heard about the Oshi No Ko ending and (not at an actual spoiler, just my reaction)
    decided I am very glad I didn't start watching the show at all

  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    The ending of Oshi No Ko
    has the exact same energy as a protracted Bad End from a visual novel. You expect the last page to tell you what you might want to try doing differently to get a better outcome.

    It will be very funny if whatever they were teasing about the final volume follows through on that vibe with a better ending.

    Kamar on
  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    Oshi no Ko's ending could have sort of, maybe worked if it actually got developed and set up for more than the last 3 chapters or so

    But really that manga had been in a rut for while at that point. I don't know if it was just too high concept or what, but after the first few arcs it stumbled hard imo and was just kinda shuffling along

    super vauge manga spoilers, mostly just character impressions
    It had no idea what it wanted to do with Ruby and that's where all the problems came from imo.

    Really felt like the natural progression of the story should have shifted to having her as the main PoV character, but aka just never committed to it for whatever reason and things just kinda stagnated

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    ph blake wrote: »
    Oshi no Ko's ending could have sort of, maybe worked if it actually got developed and set up for more than the last 3 chapters or so

    But really that manga had been in a rut for while at that point. I don't know if it was just too high concept or what, but after the first few arcs it stumbled hard imo and was just kinda shuffling along

    super vauge manga spoilers, mostly just character impressions
    It had no idea what it wanted to do with Ruby and that's where all the problems came from imo.

    Really felt like the natural progression of the story should have shifted to having her as the main PoV character, but aka just never committed to it for whatever reason and things just kinda stagnated

    There was actually a running joke of
    Ruby who? for the first several arcs, since she had basically no role after the prologue arc and everything revolved around Aqua.

  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    ph blake wrote: »
    Oshi no Ko's ending could have sort of, maybe worked if it actually got developed and set up for more than the last 3 chapters or so

    But really that manga had been in a rut for while at that point. I don't know if it was just too high concept or what, but after the first few arcs it stumbled hard imo and was just kinda shuffling along

    super vauge manga spoilers, mostly just character impressions
    It had no idea what it wanted to do with Ruby and that's where all the problems came from imo.

    Really felt like the natural progression of the story should have shifted to having her as the main PoV character, but aka just never committed to it for whatever reason and things just kinda stagnated

    There was actually a running joke of
    Ruby who? for the first several arcs, since she had basically no role after the prologue arc and everything revolved around Aqua.

    Yeah I remember it got really bad during (still full manga spoilers, probably)
    the sword stage play arc, like she legit wasn't even a character

    then the black star thing and 2edgy4u Ruby happened, but wait no even that was all mostly from Aqua's PoV worrying about her, and honestly this part of the manga is where things really went off the rails imo

    aka had 0 idea how he actually wanted to integrate the supernatural crow reincarnation stuff into his entertainment industry thriller story, and Ruby as a character suffered from that the most

    So she ended up stuck as a kind of plot moving object that only really existed to deliver flashbacks and motivate Aqua to do (stupid) things

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    I'm gonna be honest, the more I hear about Oshi no Ko the more it sounds like it was either not very good, or started strong and got progressively worse!

  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    I'll be honest the murder mystery angle is much more compelling than the industry schadenfreude

    Once it was pointed out to me that it's somewhat attempting to defend idol culture while shaming the problematic aspects, it's kinda wanting to have and eat cake at once as a lot of anime ends up doing.

    Like there was potential there for a really poignant commentary to be made and instead they did... That

    localhjay on
  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    That DigiBluray needs the Angela Anaconda segment in Japanese for completions sake

    Legitimately, the reason they can't include those is because of the likeness rights for the people's photographs used in the making of that show.

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    I was always a bit confused by the bit in the opening song refusing to answer questions about what they eat or read. In the twitter/instagram age? With your hands full of sponsorships?

  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    Oshi no Ko final chapter
    All other problems aside, it's really hurt by the baffling decision to do incest baiting for like 20 chapters. It eventually clarifies Aqua doesn't see her that way, but like most things involving Ruby, it glosses over closure for her on that front.

    So the final chapter has it's emotional resonance ruined when you realize "wait, she's crying over the guy she had a crush on. Ew"

  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Oshi no Ko final chapter
    All other problems aside, it's really hurt by the baffling decision to do incest baiting for like 20 chapters. It eventually clarifies Aqua doesn't see her that way, but like most things involving Ruby, it glosses over closure for her on that front.

    So the final chapter has it's emotional resonance ruined when you realize "wait, she's crying over the guy she had a crush on. Ew"
    I don't think that part really takes away from it, even if you read it like that.

    What takes away from it is the way that the story seems to want to drive the stake in about how fucking dumb Aqua's decision was, like it's not even really an alternative or pessimistic reading to come away from it with 'yeah, Aqua died for the noble goal of traumatizing everyone forever, absolutely nothing of value was gained'.

    It loops around to being farcical instead of tragic. You're left wondering if Aka knew he what he was writing or if he somehow thought it was actually poignant, like Aqua had made a sacrifice for the worthwhile goal of, uh, letting Ruby enjoy maybe 5 years in a shitty job that killed her whole family.

    Kamar on
  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    ph blake wrote: »
    Oshi no Ko's ending could have sort of, maybe worked if it actually got developed and set up for more than the last 3 chapters or so

    But really that manga had been in a rut for while at that point. I don't know if it was just too high concept or what, but after the first few arcs it stumbled hard imo and was just kinda shuffling along

    super vauge manga spoilers, mostly just character impressions
    It had no idea what it wanted to do with Ruby and that's where all the problems came from imo.

    Really felt like the natural progression of the story should have shifted to having her as the main PoV character, but aka just never committed to it for whatever reason and things just kinda stagnated

    I thought high concept meant something like "intellectual and vague" for the longest time, the connotation of something being "high" implying rarefied, cerebral qualities, but actually it means something more like the opposite: a piece of media where the appeal is primarily an easily-conveyed, easily-pitched premise or situation and there's not much more to it. Wikipedia uses Jurassic Park, Snakes on a Plane, and Sharknado as examples of high concept works. I would definitely not call Oshi no Ko high concept in that sense.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Ranma episode 10 went off-manga for the first time. The half of the episode was a different take on the fight, although it finished in about the same way.

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  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits Registered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    I'm gonna be honest, the more I hear about Oshi no Ko the more it sounds like it was either not very good, or started strong and got progressively worse!

    It was an overall decent concept but I fell off the manga pretty quickly.

  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    ph blake wrote: »
    Oshi no Ko's ending could have sort of, maybe worked if it actually got developed and set up for more than the last 3 chapters or so

    But really that manga had been in a rut for while at that point. I don't know if it was just too high concept or what, but after the first few arcs it stumbled hard imo and was just kinda shuffling along

    super vauge manga spoilers, mostly just character impressions
    It had no idea what it wanted to do with Ruby and that's where all the problems came from imo.

    Really felt like the natural progression of the story should have shifted to having her as the main PoV character, but aka just never committed to it for whatever reason and things just kinda stagnated

    I thought high concept meant something like "intellectual and vague" for the longest time, the connotation of something being "high" implying rarefied, cerebral qualities, but actually it means something more like the opposite: a piece of media where the appeal is primarily an easily-conveyed, easily-pitched premise or situation and there's not much more to it. Wikipedia uses Jurassic Park, Snakes on a Plane, and Sharknado as examples of high concept works. I would definitely not call Oshi no Ko high concept in that sense.

    This has to be one of those terms that has had its meaning ironically reversed over time, because I've never seen it used the way it is defined.

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  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits Registered User regular
    This week’s dandadan was a little too much screamy shouty loud noises anime humor for me.

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    ph blake wrote: »
    Oshi no Ko's ending could have sort of, maybe worked if it actually got developed and set up for more than the last 3 chapters or so

    But really that manga had been in a rut for while at that point. I don't know if it was just too high concept or what, but after the first few arcs it stumbled hard imo and was just kinda shuffling along

    super vauge manga spoilers, mostly just character impressions
    It had no idea what it wanted to do with Ruby and that's where all the problems came from imo.

    Really felt like the natural progression of the story should have shifted to having her as the main PoV character, but aka just never committed to it for whatever reason and things just kinda stagnated

    I kinda feel like aka is one of those creators who always gets bored of his story before it ends. He's fantastic in the first half, but like same with kaguya-sama, once it fell off it fell off -hard-.

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  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    "High" as in high-fructose.

  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Oshi no Ko's started out strong but just fell off at a certain point. I would agree it trying to have it's cake and eat it too, in regards to the idol industry really hurt it. The author really should have done the commentary about the bad aspects of the industry because that industry has plenty of people that will go to bat for it and someone really needs to lay it down straight that there are a number of issues that should be solved in that industry. Plus, that can be done without either "it's a great industry!" or "burn it the fuck down!"

    Kind of feels like if they solved that it would have been able to swing into into it's end game better, but that was only one issue.
    Then there was the whole incest thing and that was just the final straw. I don't really give a damn if they were just teasing or if they went into it. It was just gross on so many levels. It was also one more thing that dragged down the murder mystery that was in the background for so long. The effort that the author put into that, was likely effort that would have been better spent into going full bore into the murder mystery, once that started getting tackled.

    I think I gave one or two episodes a try, but I generally have an issue where I find it hard to watch adaptions of manga and light novels that I'm either currently reading or have read in the last 1-3 years. I just remember too many details, so a very faithful adaption ends up not holding my attention because I know how things will go. Less faithful adaptions are a crap shoot. Either they really drop the ball and I'm out and an easy way to lose me is to lean hard into the bullshit fan service, while dumping most of the interesting commentary on a subject that the author was making. Rosario+Vampire is probably a great example, I hated the series because it leaned hard into obnoxious harem wish fulfillment fan service, while barely touching on the commentary that was dealing with differences in cultures and people, while also struggling with self identity. Though if they can stick the landing to doing a cool twist on the material, that can get my attention pretty well. These days, I try to limit my viewing of anime to either stuff that starts out as anime or are adaptions of things I haven't read, then trying very hard to not find the source material. Though sometimes you get something like Moonlit Journey, that I was current with the manga and still able to enjoy the adaption.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    Did Someone say Oshi no Ko?

    https://youtu.be/l7ea4hFVoU0?feature=shared
    https://youtu.be/NKq3cSQlqn4?feature=shared

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    Day after day,
    I stayaround on far away.

    Day after I‘ve got it.
    I'm going to stand on the floor.
    By the way, I found a
    flower a little way away.

    Oh, Way away.

    Lanz on
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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_ci57IszQ

    MAPPA is making a show about an anime writer working herself to death and getting isekai'd into her favorite anime.

    That's... uh... a bit on the nose.

    E:
    There's four original shows next season. That, the new Aquarion, some bizarre GoHands original that will probably also end up to somehow be a sequel to Hand Shakers which has a like 10 second promo that already makes my eyes ache, and a show about... golf streamers? Or maybe just girls golfing and one is a streamer.

    E2:
    Oh, the GoHands thing has a longer trailer too. ...I have even less of an idea what this is now.

    ArcTangent on
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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    I'm big hype for Sorairo Utility, the OVA was fun.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Wow that GoHands thing looks awful.

  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Wow that GoHands thing looks awful.

    evergreen statement

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Wow that GoHands thing looks awful.

    They're such a weird studio. Like, I can obviously see that they have a bunch of animation talent and throw massive budgets at the most random of things, but they don't seem to know how to actually use it and they love to over-expose and over-detail the absolute shit out of every shot so it always comes off as incredibly garish and way too busy. More bloom, more contrast, more detail, more wind, more camera swoops, more EVERYTHING. And it's not helped by their writers/directors also being complete lunatics, so all their original shows, and they do a bunch, are incomprehensible.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    what GoHands thing?

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  • TayaTaya Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Ranma episode 10 went off-manga for the first time. The half of the episode was a different take on the fight, although it finished in about the same way.

    I liked what they did with Azusa, it made me like her a lot more.
    I liked Azusa and Ryoga's fight and how he defeated her by flicking her forehead. Also, they got through the Shampoo backstory/set-up pretty quick so I think they'll manage to finish it up in two episodes.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    So uh, the new LotR film is basically anime, I guess, and it looks really good(and has been getting a serious marketing push)-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4WpsGgNsME
    Under the direction of award-winning filmmaker Kenji Kamiyama (the "Blade Runner: Black Lotus" and "Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex" TV series), the talented voice cast is led by Brian Cox ("Succession") as Helm Hammerhand, the mighty King of Rohan; Gaia Wise ("A Walk in the Woods") as his daughter Héra; and Luke Pasqualino ("Snowpiercer") as Wulf. Miranda Otto, who delivered an unforgettable, award-winning performance in "The Lord of the Rings" Trilogy, reprises her role as Éowyn, Shieldmaiden of Rohan, who serves as the tale's narrator. The voice ensemble also includes Lorraine Ashbourne (Netflix's "Bridgerton"), Yazdan Qafouri ("I Came By"), Benjamin Wainwright ("World on Fire"), Laurence Ubong Williams ("Gateway"), Shaun Dooley ("The Witcher"), Michael Wildman ("Fast and Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw"), Jude Akuwudike ("Beasts of No Nation"), Bilal Hasna ("Sparks") and Janine Duvitski ("Benidorm").

    Loved Black Lotus, too.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    One Piece is good stuff this week.

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  • KayuraKayura Registered User regular
    If nothing else, the red-haired sword lady from that LoTR anime looks awesome.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    she looks like a fire emblem character
    at least from the older games, not the newer more extremely anime ones

    BahamutZERO on
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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    she looks like a fire emblem character
    at least from the older games, not the newer more extremely anime ones

    I thought so too, but hey, I'll take a Fire Emblem anime, sure.

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  • EspantaPajaroEspantaPajaro Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    she looks like a fire emblem character
    at least from the older games, not the newer more extremely anime ones

    I thought so too, but hey, I'll take a Fire Emblem anime, sure.

    Depends which honestly, some games would make a great show but there are some while fun to play would be kind of boring.

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Path of Blue Monkey, of course. That's a phonetic misinterpretation of Souen no Kiseki, making fun of Ike.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Path of Radiance would be my choice for sure.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Shadow over Mystara. It's already partway there.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Dandadan 176:
    And just like that, jiangshi.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Dandadan 176:
    And just like that, jiangshi.

    Seriously 176
    I went back through the scene to see if there was any setup or anything, but I couldn't find anything.

    So random, but very Dandadan. Can't have too much plot without the madness resuming.

    Also Kouki integrating with the rest of the friend group was sweet. Hopefully her life looks up from here.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    https://youtu.be/TuJWTE5U7Gg

    Second season is coming in January!

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