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Penny Arcade - Comic - Thorazine

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Penny Arcade - Comic - Thorazine

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Kind of this but not really joking, tbh

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Google turned on "find my device" twice this week

    At least there was a notification so I could turn it back off, but the fact that Google even has that ability is disquieting

    Sterica wrote: »
    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
    Edcrab's Exigency RPG
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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    It’s like battlestar galactica, devices are only allowed if they’re not connected to anything

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Butlerian Jihad when? Do we need to start huffing worms first or do we figure that out afterwards?

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    cynnicysmcynnicysm Registered User regular
    just, for the record: i would absolutely take a grainy b&w zine-style comic mailed directly to my home.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    In a related topic, I saw a big twitter thread this morning talking about how Adobe has updated their terms of service and they say that they're going to be randomly sampling everybody's content for their AI learning. And just from the small sample size of comments in the twitter thread, it sounds like a whole lot of creatives and professionals are jumping ship and moving to other products as a result. Random AI sampling has the possibility of doing things like breaking NDA and stealing proprietary information. Seems like a serious own-goal to me. In their greed and rush to push AI through, they just alienated a ton of legitimate creators.

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited June 7
    Gabe and Tycho are late to the party. Didn't notice what was happening until, like most people, They Were Personally Affected.

    Imagine a world where your vehicle can be tracked and remotely accessed no matter where it is.

    Imagine that this gives the ability for any malicious actor to use your vehicle as a weapon against yourself or any other poor schmuck. Oh you'll walk? Going to give up your cell phone too? The one you are addicted to and said things critical of Current Regime while in sensor range of it in the privacy of your own home?

    Oh look, it's random driver "lost control" and turned you into a meat crayon o'clock.


    I know it sounds tinfoil hat tier, but it's all currently possible with modern tech, all it takes is sufficient saturation of the tools for it by technophiles that do not grasp or care to grasp the full implications of their toys.

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    Anon von ZilchAnon von Zilch Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Butlerian Jihad when? Do we need to start huffing worms first or do we figure that out afterwards?

    I'm all for it, with some caveats. First, we need to make clear that the Butlerian Jihad isn't about fighting against rogue AI, it's against humans using their superior technological access to oppress other humans. Second, we just gotta level computer access rather than erasing them from existence, because it clearly didn't solve the inequality problem, plus I can't afford to hire a mentat.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Gabe and Tycho are late to the party. Didn't notice what was happening until, like most people, They Were Personally Affected.

    Tell me you haven't been paying attention without yadda yadda.

    G&T have been griping about this for a while now.

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    palidine40palidine40 Registered User regular
    our failure prone aging lords in the house of lords have just tried poking holes in the individual idiot box services, instead of wide regulation protecting human rights... they're crap, they need to regulate industry wide and stop being little bitches

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Butlerian Jihad when? Do we need to start huffing worms first or do we figure that out afterwards?

    I'm all for it, with some caveats. First, we need to make clear that the Butlerian Jihad isn't about fighting against rogue AI, it's against humans using their superior technological access to oppress other humans. Second, we just gotta level computer access rather than erasing them from existence, because it clearly didn't solve the inequality problem, plus I can't afford to hire a mentat.

    It is by the juice of the coca plant that my thoughts acquire speed

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    CrimeRobotCrimeRobot Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Butlerian Jihad when? Do we need to start huffing worms first or do we figure that out afterwards?
    Always start with huffing worms, then figure everything else out afterwards.

    "We programmed him to think only of crime!" - Enrico Matassa
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    ShowsniShowsni Registered User regular
    Don't kid yourself, someone will scan the 'zine and upload it to where the tendrils can get at it.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited June 7
    Hevach wrote: »
    Butlerian Jihad when? Do we need to start huffing worms first or do we figure that out afterwards?

    I'm all for it, with some caveats. First, we need to make clear that the Butlerian Jihad isn't about fighting against rogue AI, it's against humans using their superior technological access to oppress other humans. Second, we just gotta level computer access rather than erasing them from existence, because it clearly didn't solve the inequality problem, plus I can't afford to hire a mentat.

    Not that they were good books but this was something I liked in Brian Herbert's prequels - it was not the Matrix or Terminator. The machines never gave a fuck. For thousands of years they just did the work with quietly smulated pleasure to serve while humanity lived greatly extended lives of comfort and plenty, during which they developed the arts and philosophy and the most advanced and esoteric sciences as they wished.

    There was no robot that said, "No." There was no abused machine that had had enough. There was no determination that humans were the only threat to humans so to protect them they must be enslaved. No, the architects of the machine takeover were humans who wanted power over humans.

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited June 7
    dennis wrote: »
    Gabe and Tycho are late to the party. Didn't notice what was happening until, like most people, They Were Personally Affected.

    Tell me you haven't been paying attention without yadda yadda.

    G&T have been griping about this for a while now.

    Paying attention to G&T specifically? No. I don't read their every tweet or blog post, nor should such be a necessary qualifier for paying attention to the overall societal meta that we are several generations deep in now where people unwittingly sign away self determination in return for convenience, only to later be shocked and alarmed when it's really damn inconvenient to not have self determination at critical junctures. PA is just a tree in a much larger forest, and they would have had to date their complaints from practically the creation of PA to not be late to the party I am talking about.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    Gabe and Tycho are late to the party. Didn't notice what was happening until, like most people, They Were Personally Affected.

    Tell me you haven't been paying attention without yadda yadda.

    G&T have been griping about this for a while now.

    Paying attention to G&T specifically? No. I don't read their every tweet or blog post
    [blah blah blah]

    Oh, now you're just being petulant. I'm just talking about the comics and the newspost. They've covered this before, multiple times. If you're going to pop off with an opinion of how they have only just now started paying attention to the topic, it might be good to actually have been paying attention yourself to what they've said before.

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited June 8
    dennis wrote: »
    dennis wrote: »
    Gabe and Tycho are late to the party. Didn't notice what was happening until, like most people, They Were Personally Affected.

    Tell me you haven't been paying attention without yadda yadda.

    G&T have been griping about this for a while now.

    Paying attention to G&T specifically? No. I don't read their every tweet or blog post
    [blah blah blah]

    Oh, now you're just being petulant. I'm just talking about the comics and the newspost. They've covered this before, multiple times. If you're going to pop off with an opinion of how they have only just now started paying attention to the topic, it might be good to actually have been paying attention yourself to what they've said before.

    And I was clearly talking about more than their recent complaints about AI that given that I brought up non strictly AI related things. It's about far more than just AI, AI is just the Current Thing that finally got a lot of people's undivided attention. And even if AI automagically went away tomorrow in a flash of sparkly unicorn poop, there's still a pre-existing and underlying issue with the tech sector and how society interacts with it that isn't being addressed properly.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    dennis wrote: »
    Gabe and Tycho are late to the party. Didn't notice what was happening until, like most people, They Were Personally Affected.

    Tell me you haven't been paying attention without yadda yadda.

    G&T have been griping about this for a while now.

    Paying attention to G&T specifically? No. I don't read their every tweet or blog post
    [blah blah blah]

    Oh, now you're just being petulant. I'm just talking about the comics and the newspost. They've covered this before, multiple times. If you're going to pop off with an opinion of how they have only just now started paying attention to the topic, it might be good to actually have been paying attention yourself to what they've said before.

    And I was clearly talking about more than their recent complaints about AI that given that I brought up non strictly AI related things. It's about far more than just AI, AI is just the Current Thing that finally got a lot of people's undivided attention. And even if AI automagically went away tomorrow in a flash of sparkly unicorn poop, there's still a pre-existing and underlying issue with the tech sector and how society interacts with it that isn't being addressed properly.

    And they've been complaining about far more than AI, for far longer. Again, you were talking out of your ass.

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »

    And they've been complaining about far more than AI, for far longer. Again, you were talking out of your ass.
    PA is just a tree in a much larger forest, and they would have had to date their complaints from practically the creation of PA to not be late to the party I am talking about.

    Like literally, they would have had to be making some very specific complaints about the direction of tech and society back in the days where their primary focus was mocking Daikatana
    or whatever the retardation at the time that Jack Thompson was up to. Stuff that would have gotten most people labelled as luddites or conspiracy theorists. Pithy remarks about Social Media? Twitter? AI? Late to the party.


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    DratatooDratatoo Registered User regular
    edited June 8
    AI is the means to turn the big data dump into gold nuggets and a big blanco cheque for enterprises to scrape / buy / trade every data. Everything on the internet it is _our_ data (insert communism Bugs Bunny meme) but dare you touch one property of the mouse.

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    If only more people realized that having access to that data to begin with is the problem, and maybe they should not have been so trusting as to practically hand over everything about themselves. Like, maybe get up and change the thermostat yourself instead of hooking your life into a system that gives no fucks about you as a person.

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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    I think I heard something about the EPA having a backdoor into people's thermostats so it could reduce how much energy they use

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    OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited June 8
    Lttlefoot wrote: »
    I think I heard something about the EPA having a backdoor into people's thermostats so it could reduce how much energy they use

    And even if they didn't or did....how would the average user know? How could the average user detect the issue and remediate it without some OTA update rendering it moot? What happens to the primary functions if you lose power or connectivity through no fault of your own? Do they have a local manual override? (remember - the average user is not someone that knows to go into a hosts file to block traffic)

    What happens if massive swaths of the population adopt networked thermostats and they all malfunction thanks to being network reliant and a flaw was propagated/exploited during a blizzard?

    Basically my point is way too many people adopt something because of the conveniences advertised and are setting themselves up for failure later because they gave up some mix of autonomy and privacy by doing so.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited June 8
    The EPA does not but power companies do. If you accept one of their discount programs for a smart thermostat it'll have a back door, and in a lot of states if you buy locally it'll already be keyed for the local provider via shady data broker agreements between power and tech companies.

    And a bunch of them have been caught doing the opposite and making you use more power or prevent you from cranking the thermostat during off peak pricing so you're forced to run it when it costs the most.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    Yeah the notion that "the gubment is gonna take yer stove to try and save the environment" is exactly the wrong takeaway from the phenomenon of corporations harvesting your data to enrich themselves.

    Though I'd argue another incorrect takeaway is "it's the common man's fault because we all should have just refused to take part in modern society and then we'd never have gotten to this point."

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited June 10
    PA is just a tree in a much larger forest, and they would have had to date their complaints from practically the creation of PA to not be late to the party I am talking about.

    Like literally, they would have had to be making some very specific complaints about the direction of tech and society back in the days where their primary focus was mocking Daikatana
    or whatever the retardation at the time that Jack Thompson was up to. Stuff that would have gotten most people labelled as luddites or conspiracy theorists. Pithy remarks about Social Media? Twitter? AI? Late to the party.


    Let's add another quote:
    Gabe and Tycho are late to the party. Didn't notice what was happening until, like most people, They Were Personally Affected.

    So what, exactly, are you claiming they were late to the party to, if now you're claiming "they would have to date their complaints from practically the creation of PA to not be late to the party I am talking about."

    It seems you've defined a world in which they would have had to somehow created the site before they created it in order for you to lose the wishy washy argument you're making. Somehow you are the only person smart enough to not be late to this party, which seems like maybe a party that only you are attending.

    Congratulations, I guess.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Shearing frames and gig mills cost people in the wool trade jobs, but G&T selfishly decided to not have been born yet instead of address it in jpeg form

    How dare they

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    otoh, it meant more people could afford to wear clothes made of wool, so maybe the yet to be conceived G&T were right to let it slide

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    They have, like, six outfits between them

    I doubt greater availability of clothing is a concern

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Butlerian Jihad when? Do we need to start huffing worms first or do we figure that out afterwards?

    I'm all for it, with some caveats. First, we need to make clear that the Butlerian Jihad isn't about fighting against rogue AI, it's against humans using their superior technological access to oppress other humans. Second, we just gotta level computer access rather than erasing them from existence, because it clearly didn't solve the inequality problem, plus I can't afford to hire a mentat.

    It is by the juice of the coca plant that my thoughts acquire speed

    The cups acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I read my emails on phone.

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