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AP is saying that the FAA has grounded Falcon until things are sorted. I'd guess that SpaceX probably won't fight on this since booster recovery is the special sauce that makes their business work, and they probably don't want to get the FAA too grumpy since they have a large number of upcoming Starship RUD's scheduled. Musk might want to push it, but I'd imagine one of the adults in the c-suite can talk him down.
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NSF has a couple tweets and sounds like they're throwing together a video. Earlier this year the FAA deemed any permanent loss of a launch vehicle to be an incident, and there's actually current dispute because they have applied it to expendable launches... Just inconsistently, with some coming and going without problem but then ULA and Rocket Labs both getting told they need to investigate an incident and needing to pay the pencil pushers to type what amounted to, "The launch vehicle expended its fuel, detached from the second stage, and fell into the ocean. This was normal function and expected behavior."
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daveNYCWhy universe hate Waspinator?Registered Userregular
NSF has a couple tweets and sounds like they're throwing together a video. Earlier this year the FAA deemed any permanent loss of a launch vehicle to be an incident, and there's actually current dispute because they have applied it to expendable launches... Just inconsistently, with some coming and going without problem but then ULA and Rocket Labs both getting told they need to investigate an incident and needing to pay the pencil pushers to type what amounted to, "The launch vehicle expended its fuel, detached from the second stage, and fell into the ocean. This was normal function and expected behavior."
Seems like a legitimate case of government overreach there. Not sure how you manage to combine an incident that requires investigation with a launch that followed the filed flight plan to the letter. Weird.
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Something to note that distorts the perception: the Raptor 1 there has the gimbal system installed, and the Raptor 3 is not fully assembled and still has a number of open connection points.
Even so you can see some clear differences. Follow the large propellant lines from the turbo pumps on the right side. You can most clearly see the one in front that runs diagonally and loops around the neck. A lot fewer joints and separation points makes for fewer points of leak or failure, fewer material interfaces where chemical or thermal effects can degrade performance.
daveNYCWhy universe hate Waspinator?Registered Userregular
Shotwell put up a picture of the Raptor 3 test firing and it's got some more stuff on it, but it's still pretty damn sleek looking. Hopefully the latest and greatest sorted out the relight issues.
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Hopefully. Probably can't know until they actually fly it. Years ago SpaceX was gifted a special moving test mount for in flight relight testing left over from the Delta Clipper program, but it was destroyed in an explosion before even the Raptor 1 started testing, and not a single company involved in its creation still exists so that was that, SpaceX has only ever done static and live vehicle testing since.
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Speaking of large things that aren't getting built, NASA has a contract (the cost-plus type) for a launch tower for the SLS Block 1B and it's... not happening.
"Bechtel vastly underestimated the number of labor hours required to complete the ML-2 project and, as a result, has incurred more labor hours than anticipated. From May 2022 to January 2024, estimated overtime hours doubled to nearly 850,000 hours, reflecting the company’s attempts to meet NASA’s schedule goals.
Swimmingly.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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Speaking of large things that aren't getting built, NASA has a contract (the cost-plus type) for a launch tower for the SLS Block 1B and it's... not happening.
"Bechtel vastly underestimated the number of labor hours required to complete the ML-2 project and, as a result, has incurred more labor hours than anticipated. From May 2022 to January 2024, estimated overtime hours doubled to nearly 850,000 hours, reflecting the company’s attempts to meet NASA’s schedule goals.
Swimmingly.
On the one hand I know these are Great Works level projects, the modern version of a temple or pyramid that took generations to complete. Setting down a timetable and shopping list before you start is nigh impossible.
On the other I'm also incredibly familiar with the attitude of so many corporations that even though two people take all week to do a job that should be done before lunch Monday, there's a real likelihood they spend less payroll that way, and the inescapable holes workers are made to dig themselves into by managers who think that way.
A neat thing about the F1; a lot of thise small pipes are there to control the startup sequence of the engine, no computer control, some real steampunk stuff.
The FAA is still requiring an investigation, but due to "several ongoing disputes" they have relaxed the "loss of launch vehicle" rule and Falcon 9 may continue operating while investigating.
Maybe when New Glenn starts doing recovery the FAA will start looking at it, but Blue Origin scrapped their landing barge because it was too small and currently have no way to recover first stages.
Isn’t New Glenn’s first flight going to attempt a landing at sea?
Not sure about the first flight, since Blue Origin scrapped their landing ship for being too narrow to be stable and haven't gotten anything new. They might do like Starship and do a soft ditch just to test the maneuver but as far as I know the first flights will be expended.
Coming from a speaker without open communication likely means an electrical issue of some sort. The only good news being that it's in the capsule so engineers will get to look at it when it comes home next week.
They mention the noises China's first astronaut heard, but that's a lot different: Shenzhou is a much improved version of Soyuz but it's still Soyuz at heart, and Soyuz is notoriously noisy. Liwei was in orbit alone and only had contact with the ground for part of his orbit. So for a good chunk of his day in space he had nothing to do but listen to all the noises his spacecraft was making around him, and that's something a number of solo orbital astronauts (even ones in the relatively inert Mercury) have said is absolutely maddening.
Coming from a speaker without open communication likely means an electrical issue of some sort. The only good news being that it's in the capsule so engineers will get to look at it when it comes home next week.
They mention the noises China's first astronaut heard, but that's a lot different: Shenzhou is a much improved version of Soyuz but it's still Soyuz at heart, and Soyuz is notoriously noisy. Liwei was in orbit alone and only had contact with the ground for part of his orbit. So for a good chunk of his day in space he had nothing to do but listen to all the noises his spacecraft was making around him, and that's something a number of solo orbital astronauts (even ones in the relatively inert Mercury) have said is absolutely maddening.
How do you have encyclopedic knowledge about what space station is the noisiest? Don't get me wrong, I'm super impressed, but how....
Also, never stop posting please, you'll always have an willing ear here.
Wether it's the amount of times Astronauts icecream was eaten (one mission, Cabbage was preferred) to the average noise level (Russian stations are loud) to the amount of Tampons initially taken into space (100, wich through my safety eyes doesn't sound excessive, even though some have used it to mock NASA engineers for not understanding women... Look, we didn't know what would happen, we had an inkling, but it's not like there's a 7-11 in space to pop by and get more in case things went wrong) I learn these amazing things from just reading it here.
The same reason I can name every Star Trek ship, remember thirty years worth of Pokemon, the fastest route through the TMNT dam level, and not my children's birthdays.
I'm not actually sure why all that is, but I do suspect it shouldn't have gone unmedicated all these years.
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daveNYCWhy universe hate Waspinator?Registered Userregular
Coming from a speaker without open communication likely means an electrical issue of some sort. The only good news being that it's in the capsule so engineers will get to look at it when it comes home next week.
They mention the noises China's first astronaut heard, but that's a lot different: Shenzhou is a much improved version of Soyuz but it's still Soyuz at heart, and Soyuz is notoriously noisy. Liwei was in orbit alone and only had contact with the ground for part of his orbit. So for a good chunk of his day in space he had nothing to do but listen to all the noises his spacecraft was making around him, and that's something a number of solo orbital astronauts (even ones in the relatively inert Mercury) have said is absolutely maddening.
The additional bad news is that this is another thing that's gone wrong with Starliner. Right now there's a helium leak, a RCS thermal (maybe it's the heat) issue, and now something something with the capsule electronics. As far as the known unknowns and unknowns unknowns go for this ship, it's getting pretty ugly.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
Coming from a speaker without open communication likely means an electrical issue of some sort. The only good news being that it's in the capsule so engineers will get to look at it when it comes home next week.
They mention the noises China's first astronaut heard, but that's a lot different: Shenzhou is a much improved version of Soyuz but it's still Soyuz at heart, and Soyuz is notoriously noisy. Liwei was in orbit alone and only had contact with the ground for part of his orbit. So for a good chunk of his day in space he had nothing to do but listen to all the noises his spacecraft was making around him, and that's something a number of solo orbital astronauts (even ones in the relatively inert Mercury) have said is absolutely maddening.
The additional bad news is that this is another thing that's gone wrong with Starliner. Right now there's a helium leak, a RCS thermal (maybe it's the heat) issue, and now something something with the capsule electronics. As far as the known unknowns and unknowns unknowns go for this ship, it's getting pretty ugly.
Diagnosis: Ships haunted.
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Coming from a speaker without open communication likely means an electrical issue of some sort. The only good news being that it's in the capsule so engineers will get to look at it when it comes home next week.
They mention the noises China's first astronaut heard, but that's a lot different: Shenzhou is a much improved version of Soyuz but it's still Soyuz at heart, and Soyuz is notoriously noisy. Liwei was in orbit alone and only had contact with the ground for part of his orbit. So for a good chunk of his day in space he had nothing to do but listen to all the noises his spacecraft was making around him, and that's something a number of solo orbital astronauts (even ones in the relatively inert Mercury) have said is absolutely maddening.
The additional bad news is that this is another thing that's gone wrong with Starliner. Right now there's a helium leak, a RCS thermal (maybe it's the heat) issue, and now something something with the capsule electronics. As far as the known unknowns and unknowns unknowns go for this ship, it's getting pretty ugly.
Diagnosis: Ships haunted.
Send it to the moon?
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
Starliner will undock Friday around 6 pm Eastern and land at White Sands six hours later.
Looks like they're giving it one last chance to do something useful: it will be the first vehicle departing the ISS to use the specific return trajectory reserved for assured crew return in an emergency. Rather than slowly backing away it will undock and perform an almost immediate "breakout" burn, putting it on an orbit with a higher perigee and lower apogee than the station, and will experience a slightly tougher than standard reentry.
This is used in emergencies because the faster divergence in altitude causes the orbits to shift enough that nothing from either one can recontact the other. In an actual emergency the worry would be debris from damage to the ISS or worst case the station breaking up, but in this case I assume it's to throw Starliner in a fucking ditch so they don't have to look at it again.
Starliner will undock Friday around 6 pm Eastern and land at White Sands six hours later.
Looks like they're giving it one last chance to do something useful: it will be the first vehicle departing the ISS to use the specific return trajectory reserved for assured crew return in an emergency. Rather than slowly backing away it will undock and perform an almost immediate "breakout" burn, putting it on an orbit with a higher perigee and lower apogee than the station, and will experience a slightly tougher than standard reentry.
This is used in emergencies because the faster divergence in altitude causes the orbits to shift enough that nothing from either one can recontact the other. In an actual emergency the worry would be debris from damage to the ISS or worst case the station breaking up, but in this case I assume it's to throw Starliner in a fucking ditch so they don't have to look at it again.
My aunt's apartment was hit by debris from Columbia, and she's had fires, floods and other assorted disasters happen to her homes so I'm going to reach out and ask her not to be home tomorrow evening. Perhaps she can camp in an empty field for a few hours Friday night
I don't see why they couldn't still launch soon (aside from, you know, being Blue Origin). The incidents didn't fall into the FAA's authority so they didn't get grounded, and the first flight hardware wasn't damaged, just the next two.
But interplanetary missions are *really* time sensitive, and Blue Origin has yet to actually hit any target let alone one that's only a few weeks long.
There's technically one every year with a second one most years.
The off-year annual window takes more delta-v, heavily back loaded into the later burns to ensure they have the maximum impact on launch weight. It doesn't actually prevent many missions but it eats deeply into their margins and NASA likes how long it can make most missions keep working. BUT, this is a small payload and New Glenn is a hefty rocket, so I think it's reasonably feasible, but NASA hasn't really adapted their unmanned missions to the changing calculus - they declined the offer of a fully expended Falcon Heavy for Europa Clipper that would have still saved $800 million over Congress's SLS mandate while still setting several records on route.
The second one is weird. This one was mentioned in season 3 of For All Mankind - it's a Venus-Mars assist trajectory. It's technically the lowest delta-v option of the three but it's slow. If you launch into this window in 2025 you'll barely arrive before something launched in the prime window in 2026.
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Seems like a legitimate case of government overreach there. Not sure how you manage to combine an incident that requires investigation with a launch that followed the filed flight plan to the letter. Weird.
Even so you can see some clear differences. Follow the large propellant lines from the turbo pumps on the right side. You can most clearly see the one in front that runs diagonally and loops around the neck. A lot fewer joints and separation points makes for fewer points of leak or failure, fewer material interfaces where chemical or thermal effects can degrade performance.
Swimmingly.
The natural evolution.
On the one hand I know these are Great Works level projects, the modern version of a temple or pyramid that took generations to complete. Setting down a timetable and shopping list before you start is nigh impossible.
On the other I'm also incredibly familiar with the attitude of so many corporations that even though two people take all week to do a job that should be done before lunch Monday, there's a real likelihood they spend less payroll that way, and the inescapable holes workers are made to dig themselves into by managers who think that way.
Vaxuum nozzle on the right, small lady for scale
A neat thing about the F1; a lot of thise small pipes are there to control the startup sequence of the engine, no computer control, some real steampunk stuff.
Isn’t New Glenn’s first flight going to attempt a landing at sea?
Original landing ship was scrapped, there is one currently making its way over from Europe.
Someone came across a piece of a relatively recently launched Ariane
That link has a recording of the sound and the radio comms too.
Anyway, if it changes to saying "Libera te tutemet ex inferis"...
They mention the noises China's first astronaut heard, but that's a lot different: Shenzhou is a much improved version of Soyuz but it's still Soyuz at heart, and Soyuz is notoriously noisy. Liwei was in orbit alone and only had contact with the ground for part of his orbit. So for a good chunk of his day in space he had nothing to do but listen to all the noises his spacecraft was making around him, and that's something a number of solo orbital astronauts (even ones in the relatively inert Mercury) have said is absolutely maddening.
How do you have encyclopedic knowledge about what space station is the noisiest? Don't get me wrong, I'm super impressed, but how....
Also, never stop posting please, you'll always have an willing ear here.
Wether it's the amount of times Astronauts icecream was eaten (one mission, Cabbage was preferred) to the average noise level (Russian stations are loud) to the amount of Tampons initially taken into space (100, wich through my safety eyes doesn't sound excessive, even though some have used it to mock NASA engineers for not understanding women... Look, we didn't know what would happen, we had an inkling, but it's not like there's a 7-11 in space to pop by and get more in case things went wrong) I learn these amazing things from just reading it here.
I'm not actually sure why all that is, but I do suspect it shouldn't have gone unmedicated all these years.
The additional bad news is that this is another thing that's gone wrong with Starliner. Right now there's a helium leak, a RCS thermal (maybe it's the heat) issue, and now something something with the capsule electronics. As far as the known unknowns and unknowns unknowns go for this ship, it's getting pretty ugly.
Diagnosis: Ships haunted.
Send it to the moon?
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Looks like they're giving it one last chance to do something useful: it will be the first vehicle departing the ISS to use the specific return trajectory reserved for assured crew return in an emergency. Rather than slowly backing away it will undock and perform an almost immediate "breakout" burn, putting it on an orbit with a higher perigee and lower apogee than the station, and will experience a slightly tougher than standard reentry.
This is used in emergencies because the faster divergence in altitude causes the orbits to shift enough that nothing from either one can recontact the other. In an actual emergency the worry would be debris from damage to the ISS or worst case the station breaking up, but in this case I assume it's to throw Starliner in a fucking ditch so they don't have to look at it again.
Eh the chance a boeing capsule successfully makes reentry seems low which should cleanse it of demons.
My aunt's apartment was hit by debris from Columbia, and she's had fires, floods and other assorted disasters happen to her homes so I'm going to reach out and ask her not to be home tomorrow evening. Perhaps she can camp in an empty field for a few hours Friday night
Where we're going, we won't need thrusters to steer.
Is this a repurposed Amazon warehouse?
Indeed. Purge it with holy fire.
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Expected, but still a bummer. Here’s hoping New Glenn still manages a launch this year.
But interplanetary missions are *really* time sensitive, and Blue Origin has yet to actually hit any target let alone one that's only a few weeks long.
The off-year annual window takes more delta-v, heavily back loaded into the later burns to ensure they have the maximum impact on launch weight. It doesn't actually prevent many missions but it eats deeply into their margins and NASA likes how long it can make most missions keep working. BUT, this is a small payload and New Glenn is a hefty rocket, so I think it's reasonably feasible, but NASA hasn't really adapted their unmanned missions to the changing calculus - they declined the offer of a fully expended Falcon Heavy for Europa Clipper that would have still saved $800 million over Congress's SLS mandate while still setting several records on route.
The second one is weird. This one was mentioned in season 3 of For All Mankind - it's a Venus-Mars assist trajectory. It's technically the lowest delta-v option of the three but it's slow. If you launch into this window in 2025 you'll barely arrive before something launched in the prime window in 2026.