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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Oh hey Chevron just dropped

    not surprising, SCOTUS justices are bargain priced these days

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    I'm too ignorant to understand what this means, and the first two articles I read haven't helped.

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    kaidkaid Registered User regular
    Basically instead of some deference to govt agencies overseeing things like the EPA everything now winds up having to be litigated in court ripping power from the executive branch and giving it to our life time appointment totally not corrupt super legislature of the SCOTUS.

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    I'm too ignorant to understand what this means, and the first two articles I read haven't helped.

    generally laws that direct agencies to do something are not 100% prescriptive and it's up to the agency to determine how best to carry out enforcement and implementation

    this is good because law makers are not experts in the fields they write laws for, agency personnel generally are

    and how best to carry out a goal can change faster than laws change and this practice gives agencies the ability to be more agile

    this decision strikes down that precedent meaning agencies are going to be a whole lot more timid and even less effective

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Oh hey Chevron just dropped

    Yeah the Supreme Court just ruled that it’s legal to hunt the homeless and illegal to prevent people from dumping strychnine into the reservoir

    We have a staggering amount of work to do unwinding the horrors of this court.

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Kadith wrote: »
    please tell me it's not hyperbole that they argued about golf

    It might have been the one part of the debate that got Biden to be the most lucid and fired up, defending his golf game against Trump's slander.

    I can confidently say nothing about the decline of 2020-24 has felt slower for me than the decline of 2016-20

    In some aspects it's even felt quicker!

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Kadith wrote: »
    I'm too ignorant to understand what this means, and the first two articles I read haven't helped.

    generally laws that direct agencies to do something are not 100% prescriptive and it's up to the agency to determine how best to carry out enforcement and implementation

    this is good because law makers are not experts in the fields they write laws for, agency personnel generally are

    and how best to carry out a goal can change faster than laws change and this practice gives agencies the ability to be more agile

    this decision strikes down that precedent meaning agencies are going to be a whole lot more timid and even less effective

    More specifically, I think the ruling that was overturned was basically "courts should defer to agencies interpretations of what Congress empowered them to do if it isn't completely unreasonable" and so the standard is now "courts should be the arbiters of interpreting what Congress meant, not the agencies", which is one of those things that sounds sort of reasonable in theory until you think for a second and realize that judges don't have expertise in thousands of different fields to determine the reasonableness of minutiae, even before you get into the fact it lets (primarily) conservative justices make ideological rulings to strip agency power away.

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    the backlash to chevron should be just as big as roe but i think it’s just too esoteric for people.

    we are a bit fucked tho.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Thank you for the explanation, that's bleak

    The current SC makes it even moreso

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Oh hey Chevron just dropped

    On the contrary, their shares are probably going up significantly today.

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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    the backlash to chevron should be just as big as roe but i think it’s just too esoteric for people.

    we are a bit fucked tho.

    Easiest spin is probably to describe things as going full on cyberpunk corporate dystopia. Especially paired with the bribes vs gratuities decision from earlier this week for those judges.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    When I’m canvassing I’m going to try to fit it into something pithy but yeah basically ‘the republicans on the supreme court made bribery and poisoning your drinking water legal, they sold you out to corporate interests.’

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Gilgaron wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    the backlash to chevron should be just as big as roe but i think it’s just too esoteric for people.

    we are a bit fucked tho.

    Easiest spin is probably to describe things as going full on cyberpunk corporate dystopia. Especially paired with the bribes vs gratuities decision from earlier this week for those judges.

    I've been calling it the Shiawase Decision but that's a thing that like three people get, including me.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
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    american friends, how are y'all doing

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
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    american friends, how are y'all doing

    *maniacal laughter*

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
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    american friends, how are y'all doing

    Jokes on you, we get to fuck the whole planet up

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    Quantum TigerQuantum Tiger Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    I doubt that much thought was put into it, but knowing how to tell the truth well and actually telling the truth well are two completely independent skills

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Badly

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    HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
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    american friends, how are y'all doing

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    american friends, how are y'all doing

    In 2020 it was the hardest thing to tell friends I was considering not voting

    Since February (at the latest, honestly probably months earlier) I've been at the point where friends ask if I'm voting and I say absolutely not, immediately/without having to think or blink, and with a smile on my face

    I don't know if it's accelerationism or not, but I also no longer care even if it were. I'd find it crueler to let this evil facade go on with even a hint of my endorsement. DNC crossed the line with me long before funding Palestinian genocide, but that was the no-way-back point; can't fathom earning my re-registration in my lifetime without enough work that they'd basically be a whole different-looking party, top to bottom (first person I'd want out is Biden, second is Fetterman, and that's only the start of the conversation after crawling back to me)

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    I’m doing a lot of canvassing and roping friends into canvassing. Generally 2-3 shifts per weekend though I’ll ramp up as we near the election. Some phonebanking too although that always feels more annoying.

    I figure I had enough information to determine which result I want in this election 8 years ago, and I may as well do what I can to make it happen.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
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    american friends, how are y'all doing


    Not great!

    Sidenote, it's cold comfort, but The Onion was on a tear last night. And yes, I know haha we got em with that zinger for sure. But sometimes you have to be able to laugh

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    Spoiling this one because it has to do with Palestine, it's the onion, so they've got the right of it, but just in case.
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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    maybe it's unfair, but americans reacting to debates always make me chuckle. i can count the number of debates that americans have felt good about in my lifetime on one hand. democrats suck at them. they've always sucked at them. they've only increased the suck as they get more geriatric. but also like, there is no evidence that debates have ever done absolutely anything at all in an american election. sometimes they make a candidate that was never going to make it to the end drop out early.


    also, privately, i kind of roll my eyes at the people online - you all know the ones, you've all gone "man i hate seeing this guy" - who just repeatedly beat the drum of "THIS! IS NOT! A NORMAL! ELECTION!" and then they're like alright folks time to settle down with some popcorn and watch my debates like a normal election wahoo we're regular

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    obama sucked up the first debate in 2012 as well, so whatever

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Obama was never senile

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    It is very wild that any human watches a debate ever, but in particular wild that people are like let's check in on two people who have been president already.

    People waste so much time on the Presidential race. In my entire lifetime it's never taken a single second after the primaries to decide "not the one who has hired a coterie of assassins to hunt me down".


    Now smaller elections, those debates are kinda useful! I found out during one local one that a candidate was a former cop. When there's literally just like "select a name from this list of 5" and no one has a website, that's helpful.

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Binders full of women!

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    It is very wild that any human watches a debate ever, but in particular wild that people are like let's check in on two people who have been president already.

    People waste so much time on the Presidential race. In my entire lifetime it's never taken a single second after the primaries to decide "not the one who has hired a coterie of assassins to hunt me down".

    it's very much people who treat politics as sport. and like, a lot of them don't think they're treating it as sport. they think they're very seriously engaging with an important thing. but backseat coaching isn't serious engagement. trying to predict the next moves of the campaign isn't serious engagement. it's sport.

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    DidgeridooDidgeridoo Flighty Dame Registered User regular
    I am more freaking out about the Supreme Court decisions today

    It's uh

    Well you know

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    I can freak out about many things at once.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    It is very wild that any human watches a debate ever, but in particular wild that people are like let's check in on two people who have been president already.

    People waste so much time on the Presidential race. In my entire lifetime it's never taken a single second after the primaries to decide "not the one who has hired a coterie of assassins to hunt me down".

    it's very much people who treat politics as sport. and like, a lot of them don't think they're treating it as sport. they think they're very seriously engaging with an important thing. but backseat coaching isn't serious engagement. trying to predict the next moves of the campaign isn't serious engagement. it's sport.

    It's one of the reasons I'm really doubling down on getting my circle of friends and family to actually show up this year.

    Like I know so many people who will happily talk your ear off about politics... but that's it. I love my mom, but she'll be like "you know what the Democratic party should use as a slogan?" and it's like please we are not on the Slogan For An Entire Political Party Committee! We can do other shit, but this is absolutely not part of it! We don't need to think about it! Like I'm not a spectacular community organizer, but I know I can walk long distances and I can chat with people at doors about why I think it's important for them to vote for the people I'm stumping for this year without freaking out.


    Plus it's just a godsend to entirely give up on the horserace element. I have time now! I can look up what the smaller local political races are all about, which no one ever has time for, I can do things I enjoy instead of watching tedious political commentary, I can participate in local governance stuff. I may get a stop sign installed in a dangerous intersection!

    There's a lot wrong with US politics, but the fact that so many people imagine that they're being good citizens and politically aware when they're just whiling away the hours feeling like shit is a big part of it.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    the supreme court might've been the most mythologized american institution for so long, even above the president. it's so grim how bad it had to get for the mainstream to even begin to acknowledge its flaws

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Plus it's just a godsend to entirely give up on the horserace element. I have time now! I can look up what the smaller local political races are all about, which no one ever has time for, I can do things I enjoy instead of watching tedious political commentary, I can participate in local governance stuff. I may get a stop sign installed in a dangerous intersection!

    There's a lot wrong with US politics, but the fact that so many people imagine that they're being good citizens and politically aware when they're just whiling away the hours feeling like shit is a big part of it.

    yeah the amount of good you can do when you focus on not just like, consuming the punditsphere is unreal

    it's such a good reminder that the world is what we build, and if we can just shake enough people up and get them to help building, we could truly make some shit

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I just don’t find the utility in making myself feel bad on purpose anymore. Doesn’t move any needles in any directions if I ruin my night.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
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    american friends, how are y'all doing

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    i will say that even by the standards of "boy democrat campaigns are full of nepo babies that shouldn't have the job", "haha wow that sucked! anyway," is a bold choice

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    Binders full of women!

    Ah the halcyon days of ... twelve fucking years ago

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    I still remember the memes like they were yesterday...

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    Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    the supreme court might've been the most mythologized american institution for so long, even above the president. it's so grim how bad it had to get for the mainstream to even begin to acknowledge its flaws

    out of the entire history of this country the supreme court was decent, not great but decent, for like 15 years. supreme court has been coasting on the warren court for the last 50 years. it was dogshit before and it was dogshit after.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    they keep nixing any hint of ethics rules, so I don't see it getting any better anytime soon, unless the Dems grow some balls and pack like 7 more seats on

    or some kind of socialist revolution, while I'm making wishes

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