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Angry Old Men - The First 2024 Presidential Debate

ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
This is a temporary thread that will close shortly after the debate. It’ll close even sooner if you all can’t behave, so play nice.

In one corner, we have an old man.

In the other corner, we have another old man.

Both have been president, one is a convicted criminal. You can probably safely assume that nobody on this board really wanted either to be president again, but this is the hand we're dealt, so let's keep it on topic specifically to the debate and not just a generic "Biden/Trump/Liberals/Leftists suck" thread. There'll be time enough for that later.

A bunch of incoherent nonsense from very old people kicks off in... 5 minutes.

Remember, this is not Twitter. Don't just react or say "I can't believe he said that." Provide context, AND snark, preferably directed at them, not other forumers.

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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    A few graphs

    On Biden; and how cool he is
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    Trump, at the end

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    On Trump's indefatigability

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    Anyway, as usual, I'm sure this debate will change hearts and minds and sway people with solid elocution, rock solid arguments, and the kind of intellectually sparring you won't find anywhere outside of a Magnus vs Hikaru chess match

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    silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
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    TuminTumin Registered User regular

    More bad news for Joe Biden

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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    Oh and I guess likely issues to come up:
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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    First observation: I did not know Atlanta had such a pretty skyline.

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kA5IKO4YSs&ab_channel=SteveRogerThat

    With this, the mods have no excuse, no option but to submit to the horrible reality of ELECTION DRAGON BEING AWAKENED AND HUNGRY!!!!!

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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Only the best drugs

    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
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    XantomasXantomas Registered User regular
    Biden sounds really hoarse and mumbly. I'm concerned.

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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    Rules: No notes, no props, no audience, no cocaine on stage

    Mic mute supposedly whenever not their turn (???)

    2 minutes closing at end

    Biden shuffle concerned Tumsboo but everyone will forget by the end Im sure

    Bad clip tho

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    Biden started off kind of rough tbh. His throat seems to have suddenly become dry which made him coughing and stuttering. He recovered well but a rough start.

    Trump has had a better start, but has really swung hard into his talking points.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Biden sounds really hoarse and mumbly. I'm concerned.

    He started off pretty rough but once he got up to speed it improved a lot - I had the same reaction.

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    silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kA5IKO4YSs&ab_channel=SteveRogerThat

    With this, the mods have no excuse, no option but to submit to the horrible reality of ELECTION DRAGON BEING AWAKENED AND HUNGRY!!!!!

    Both conventions over, and no sooner! It'll just be the voting thread on loop anyway.

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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    Trump is surprisingly... low energy but kind of in a good way considering how manic he usually is

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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    He's gotta hang in there for an hour tho

    It doesnt matter how it goes anyway, anyone watching is voting already. Just a bunch of footage to chop up.

    Tumin on
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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    Biden looks horribly sunken-eyed. Like he looks way worse than he did just months ago at the state of the union. Worrying.

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    Trump's answer about how 10% tariff's would not raise prices was really bad.

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    SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    It's going to play well with his base.

    Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    It's going to play well with his base.

    Well yeah. Trump said it. 🤪

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    Biden looks horribly sunken-eyed. Like he looks way worse than he did just months ago at the state of the union. Worrying.

    Biden seems to be waking up during Trump's answer about why top earners and corporations should pay less, which has turned into a stump speech by Trump.

    Biden had a big ass smile on his face.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    Biden looks horribly sunken-eyed. Like he looks way worse than he did just months ago at the state of the union. Worrying.

    I think I'm a couple minutes behind but--

    yikes, Biden does read as frail as fuck

    What he's saying is better on the merits, obviously, but I'm worried

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    And now Biden has frozen and stumbled over his words. That was not a good look, and Trump has pounced on it pretty well.

    What Trump is saying is a lie and horrendous, but from optics that was not good for Biden.

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    Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kA5IKO4YSs&ab_channel=SteveRogerThat

    With this, the mods have no excuse, no option but to submit to the horrible reality of ELECTION DRAGON BEING AWAKENED AND HUNGRY!!!!!

    This is one of the bars of its prison breaking, yes.

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    Gennenalyse RuebenGennenalyse Rueben The Prettiest Boy is Ridiculously Pretty Registered User regular
    Could people please describe the answers and stuff and not just do that "wow, that answer was good/bad" thing that happens every single time? I suffer from too much anxiety to sit and watch a debate, so I have to rely on other people.

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    wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    Ok Biden is finding his groove

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    ...so that was a bad stumble by Biden. The gaffs are in full-force, but that moment's going to be getting re-cut by the Republicans continuously.

    EDIT: With regards to the question - Biden in discussing tax policy stumbled twice over units (but corrected himself) and then kind of got mixed up getting to his point about Medicare.

    I agree with MrMister: Biden reads as quite frail (and his resting face here - which I've noticed in press conferences as well - isn't great). Content-wise Trump has been spouting complete nonsense the whole time, but if it comes down to straight appearances Trump will read as "stronger" based on current impressions.

    electricitylikesme on
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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Someone tell CNN to turn up the volume in their website.

    Can't hear either of these old mumble men

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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Gonna need a fact check on trump saying he has a lot of friends

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    RaynagaRaynaga Registered User regular
    Yeah, so far this is not good. The substance doesn't matter right now. It's countering old.

    He isn't so far.

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    MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    Could people please describe the answers and stuff and not just do that "wow, that answer was good/bad" thing that happens every single time? I suffer from too much anxiety to sit and watch a debate, so I have to rely on other people.

    I'm not saying this to be glib, but it basically boils down to Trump excessively lying coherently, and Biden trying to explain things and stumbling. Stuff like Trump going "They think we're stupid. The whole world doesn't respect us. He's destroyed us" and Biden trying to explain the math of taxing 1000 billionaires at 25% and how much money that would generate, flipping billion/trillion/million a few times before catching and correcting himself.

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    XantomasXantomas Registered User regular
    Trump saying that Democrats literally kill babies after they are born now. Biden needs to get fucking fired up.

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    enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    Horribleness aside, based on optics and sound, I would not guess that Trump is 78.

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Oof. Yeah, Biden is stumbling over words, hoarse, and rambling. Ugh.

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    Trump lied very hard about abortion, and Biden was aghast at it. Biden's answer again tough, is much more stumbling and mumbling. It's kind of frustrating. Biden, years ago, was a very good debater. This is much weaker.

    Biden's answer on limits of abortion was much much better. He argued that he supported Roe V Wade and then broke that down fairly well.

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    RaynagaRaynaga Registered User regular
    I don't think I can watch, to be honest. This is going to give me an anxiety attack. He's gotta wake up.

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    rndmherorndmhero Registered User regular
    Literally nothing Trump has said is true, but Biden looks like he might die of old age on live TV.

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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Jesus christ biden is toast.

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Trump saying that Democrats literally kill babies after they are born now. Biden needs to get fucking fired up.

    Biden's response to Trump's absurd "they are killing babies after birth!" has gotten him really fired up. Just snapping back and responding fiercely.

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    enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited June 28
    I hate talking about optics. I care about the policy stuff.

    But man that open mouth listening stare is doing Biden no favors. His image people have to train him to keep his mouth closed when listening.

    enc0re on
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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    It's insane that Trump is allowed to just tell bold faced lies and not be called on it.

    But then that's been the status quo for almost a decade now so I guess I should be used to it by now.

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    It did bring me some joy watching Trump try to get the last word in on a cut mike.

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