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  • ToxTox I kill threads Dilige, et quod vis facRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    There was only 1 set of footprints Jesus!!

    EXPLAIN YOURSELF

    He was on the shitter!

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  • ToxTox I kill threads Dilige, et quod vis facRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    Shoutout my 1 Kings 18:27 fans

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    I'm not a religious person but I grew out of my smug atheist phase a long time ago.

    Religion and spirituality is as varied and nuanced as the human experience.

    As a general principle, I care more about about how a person's actions guided by their beliefs impact the material world around them than how they profess to have arrived at those beliefs.

    Whether you have faith isn't as important as what you profess that faith drives you to do. There are many people out there of different faiths who I have admired for the strength of their convictions.

    Throughout history, and persisting through our present day, people professing faith in all kinds of religion invoke their faith to justify doing terrible things, while others professing the same faith oppose those terrible things and advocate for good things instead.

    I am not trying to diminish anyone's religious beliefs by speaking in broad generalities, I am just trying to articulate my own feelings without inadvertently coming off as though I am being judgemental about any particular belief system.

    Having said all that, this thread is supposed to be about evangelical Christianity specifically, right?

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  • SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
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    I hesitate to say my church growing up was Southern Baptist but they were southern and Baptist. Definitely not the fire and brimstone sort. Everyone was mostly pretty chill and community oriented. There was one parent who kinda took over the youth group stuff after the previous pastor (now my cousin-in-law) left and she was fucking crazy. Started showing us those anti-science indoctrination videos that I immediately pegged as total bullshit. It was around that time I realized that the only reason I even went to church was for a few friends that I was really only friends with because we all went to the same church. So I stopped going. Still hung out with some of them afterwards.

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
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    Coinage wrote: »
    I struggle against being an epic reddit atheist, but this poll is strange. "Your age", as if anyone reading this is young, and the world is still extremely religious. And if someone isn't religious there's a pretty good chance they hold equally superstitious beliefs about Spirit/Source/etc. I don't like it, but clearly there's something weird about you if you're comfortable saying "there's no evidence for that, it doesn't check out" to everything.

    This whole thing is worth reading, but this bit in particular stuck with me when I first read it years ago:
    Because here’s something else that’s weird but true: in the day-to-day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship–be it JC or Allah, be it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles–is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive.

    You know how we teach new drivers to stay in the center of the lane by looking down the road into the distance, and not by looking at the road right in front of the car? Believing in something unknowable is like that. It doesn't matter if the thing you believe in is real - hell, maybe it's better if it's not! - as long as it helps you stay in the center of your lane.

    See also Terry Pratchet, on believing the big lies.

    (After I drafted this post I checked to see if David Foster Wallace has ever been credibly accused of abuse or sexual harassment, and lol, of course he has. I am Disappointed but also not surprised because charismatic men, amirite? But I didn't know about it until ten minutes ago and what I said about his commencement speech making an impression on me is still true.)

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
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    Solar wrote: »
    I admit to being a bit of a smug atheist still tbh

    Same honestly, I just bite my tongue a lot more lol

    And honestly it's hard not to say that if there were a god we should probably attack and dethrone it

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    I've been an atheist my whole life, but for a long time I've been much more agnostic. No way to know, no way to prove, might as well hedge my bets

    I don't question what people get out of religion or faith, that's always made sense to me (and always kind of fascinated me, as an outsider) but I do question folks who are way into the structures surrounding it -- churches and whatnot

    I know folks who have individual churches/temples/synagogues that sound amazing, really welcoming and wholesome and compassionate and inclusive, but my general experience of the world has made me feel like those are rare!

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  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    Solar wrote: »
    I live in a country where the church is dying, like utterly dying out as a social or religious force, and honestly I would not really be sad to see the back of it. I think it needs to be disestablished and allowed to just finally be laid to rest in the following decades

    There is a church on my road (oldest baptist church in the county, I think) which is no longer actually a church, it's been deconsecrated or whatever and someone has bought it to turn into a house and art gallery.

    But it still has a graveyard. This person has a graveyard in their garden. Which I think is pretty rad.

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    Solar wrote: »
    I live in a country where the church is dying, like utterly dying out as a social or religious force, and honestly I would not really be sad to see the back of it. I think it needs to be disestablished and allowed to just finally be laid to rest in the following decades

    There is a church on my road (oldest baptist church in the county, I think) which is no longer actually a church, it's been deconsecrated or whatever and someone has bought it to turn into a house and art gallery.

    But it still has a graveyard. This person has a graveyard in their garden. Which I think is pretty rad.

    Goth cred 1 billion

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
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    Solar wrote: »
    Calica wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    I struggle against being an epic reddit atheist, but this poll is strange. "Your age", as if anyone reading this is young, and the world is still extremely religious. And if someone isn't religious there's a pretty good chance they hold equally superstitious beliefs about Spirit/Source/etc. I don't like it, but clearly there's something weird about you if you're comfortable saying "there's no evidence for that, it doesn't check out" to everything.

    This whole thing is worth reading, but this bit in particular stuck with me when I first read it years ago:
    Because here’s something else that’s weird but true: in the day-to-day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship–be it JC or Allah, be it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles–is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive.

    You know how we teach new drivers to stay in the center of the lane by looking down the road into the distance, and not by looking at the road right in front of the car? Believing in something unknowable is like that. It doesn't matter if the thing you believe in is real - hell, maybe it's better if it's not! - as long as it helps you stay in the center of your lane.

    See also Terry Pratchet, on believing the big lies.

    (After I drafted this post I checked to see if David Foster Wallace has ever been credibly accused of abuse or sexual harassment, and lol, of course he has. I am Disappointed but also not surprised because charismatic men, amirite? But I didn't know about it until ten minutes ago and what I said about his commencement speech making an impression on me is still true.)

    Honestly I'd say that I think the idea that there's no atheism in life and we all worship sounds like total nonsense to me

    What guides your behavior? To what ideals do you aspire? What ideas, if any, do you hold to be axiomatic?

    Those are all "worship" in the sense it's used in the quote.

    Does Jeff Bezos worship money? He'd probably say no if I asked him, but I say he absolutely does.

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    There's a big baptist church in town and in front of it there is a big rock with JESUS SAVES carved into it and it should really have JESUS ROCKS carved into it, if you ask me.

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  • smofsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    Jesus savescums

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
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    I understand the sentiment being expressed by saying "well everyone worships something" but I don't think fervant belief in an ideology is the same thing as spirituality or religiosity.

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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    yeah I think massaging the commonly understood meaning of "atheist" and "worship" in order to make a point that doesn't really feel connected to what the words actually mean to most people is...a stretch, to say the least

    "you're not actually an atheist because you have a set of ethical beliefs that you 'worship' in the same way that religious folks worship their gods" just isn't all that convincing to me

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    Solar wrote: »
    Calica wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Calica wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    I struggle against being an epic reddit atheist, but this poll is strange. "Your age", as if anyone reading this is young, and the world is still extremely religious. And if someone isn't religious there's a pretty good chance they hold equally superstitious beliefs about Spirit/Source/etc. I don't like it, but clearly there's something weird about you if you're comfortable saying "there's no evidence for that, it doesn't check out" to everything.

    This whole thing is worth reading, but this bit in particular stuck with me when I first read it years ago:
    Because here’s something else that’s weird but true: in the day-to-day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship–be it JC or Allah, be it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles–is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive.

    You know how we teach new drivers to stay in the center of the lane by looking down the road into the distance, and not by looking at the road right in front of the car? Believing in something unknowable is like that. It doesn't matter if the thing you believe in is real - hell, maybe it's better if it's not! - as long as it helps you stay in the center of your lane.

    See also Terry Pratchet, on believing the big lies.

    (After I drafted this post I checked to see if David Foster Wallace has ever been credibly accused of abuse or sexual harassment, and lol, of course he has. I am Disappointed but also not surprised because charismatic men, amirite? But I didn't know about it until ten minutes ago and what I said about his commencement speech making an impression on me is still true.)

    Honestly I'd say that I think the idea that there's no atheism in life and we all worship sounds like total nonsense to me

    What guides your behavior? To what ideals do you aspire? What ideas, if any, do you hold to be axiomatic?

    Those are all "worship" in the sense it's used in the quote.

    Does Jeff Bezos worship money? He'd probably say no if I asked him, but I say he absolutely does.

    To say that my belief in certain ideals is the same as worshipping a god is the kind of statement that sounds wise and insightful but is completely baseless when you think about it for 5 seconds. The divine and mystical element or lack thereof, the fundamental question of faith which is distinct from belief...

    Its ludicrous to say because I believe in, say, justice that I worship justice as a divine Thing. I simply don't, by any definition of worship that is not so broad as to be completely useless

    I think there's a genuine definition mismatch here between what I think "worship" means and what other people think it means. Which is fine! But I didn't mean to be like, "Acshually, here's why you're secretly religious, checkmate atheists," so I'm sorry it came off like that!

    edit: like, even when I was Christian I didn't really "worship" God the way people seem to be thinking of worship. I believed in him, sure; but my church always emphasized how God much preferred us to live our faith/values rather than engage in performative worship, so.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    One thing I think more American atheists, neo-pagans, and even WASPs who convert to other more organized religions could stand to be self aware about is just how much latent cultural Christianity we tend to carry around

    The number of common neo-pagan or new age spiritual beliefs, in some circles, that are essentially just Protestantism with the Jesus filed off and a new figure (or set of figures) stamped in to replace him is pretty uncanny

    Which is great given how much latent Zoroastrianism and paganism are in Christianity!

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited April 10
    People worship me all the time it's not a big deal. They calm down a bit if you let them finish.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    Finish what

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    I don't really do religion anymore, but my cosmology is definitely still Catholic.

    like, I dunno there probably isn't a Heaven and a Hell, but if there is, it's Jesus and the saints and the pearly gates. Hell is probably Dante's whole deal because I like the aesthetic.

    but like, I have some good luck charms.
    I inherited a little medal that purportedly contains a bit of Anthony of Padua's robe, the patron saint of lost things (also my confirmation saint, because he seemed like a really cool guy), and I keep it in my wallet and I've never lost my wallet so that's a thing to think about.
    ghosts probably aren't real, but I've been in some places that were definitely haunted.

    you have to have something or you go crazy

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    Also I absolutely can not reconcile the mainstream concept of “God” with the vastness and weirdness of the perceived (and yet mostly unobservable!) universe

    We are one of an inconceivable number of like civilizations all spread out and isolated, never to interact with each other and probably never able to be visited by a more advanced “god” due to the universal speed limit

    It says a lot about the embedded religiosity in our civilizations that my statement would be seen as the controversial one vs even the very benign agnosticism in the surrounding posts, let alone what the devout would say

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIXWhTjnQwQ
    I was in Heaven I was in Hell believe in neither but fear 'em as well

    I grew out of Modest Mouse in a big way, but I think about that phrase a lot.

    DOIN' THE COCKROACH YEAH

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    Also lol I go to church regularly

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
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  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
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    Finish what, Chico?

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    edited April 10
    woah wait did that image load properly, are we healed?


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    edit: hallelujah it's rainin' men hallelujah

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
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    I really fuckin' hated CCD when I was a kid, that's like, evening bible classes, it sucked

    I got in trouble because I would draw totally awesome Diablo 2 angels on the bible workbook they gave you

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
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    I believe that there's an infinitesimal chance that what believe is the actual truth, so it is some comfort to know that I'm not alone in living a lie. Unless I am.

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    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
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    reVerse wrote: »
    I really fuckin' hated CCD when I was a kid, that's like, evening bible classes, it sucked

    I got in trouble because I would draw totally awesome Diablo 2 angels on the bible workbook they gave you

    Why'd that get you into trouble? Were they secret satanists, opposed to angels and the Heavenly horde? Or were they the wrong kind of angels?

    edit; The Heavenly Horde doesn't sound right. Hoard, like dragons? But Satan is a dragon. The Heavenly whore perhaps? Do they have those in Heaven? If not, they should.

    big swords, mostly.

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