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Yeah, she cratered and was a further drag on an already doomed ticket.
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Cant even manage the loving parent test.
Makes you feel the tiniest snowflake of pity for trump until you remember AAAAAAAALLLLLL the bullshit that lead us here.
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Also, its perhaps a little crass to bring it up, but there was ABSOLUTELY buzz on the right that Sarah Palin was really sexy, and that red blooded american men wanted to have sex with her.
It's arguable she killed any chance that McCain had.
There were lots of republicans who weren't thrilled with a woman pick and then when it came out that she was really just a vapid talking head it hurt even more.
I don't know that I buy that narrative because Obama ran an insanely good campaign in 2008 but like I said, it's arguable.
Vance seems like Palin without the talent for campaigning and appealing to the base. Trump is like an evolved form of Palin, Vance is like a worse version of Palin.
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I don't think it is reasonable to say she cost McCain the election, but I do think it is safe to say she hurt his slim chances. There are reasons people were calling for her to resign from the ticket. She also hasn't won a single election since running for VP and showing the world how absolutely terrible she is.
She took out one of the central arguements for Mccain and again arguements.
Mccain was a known quantity and had experience, Obama was relatively fresh on the block and had no crisis to throw over his shoulder as a victory.
So adding Palin took one of the most sincere comparisons and chucked it in the bin.
Because as scary a thought as a rookie obama was, the idea of palin being an chicken bone away from nuclear launch codes was terrifying.
*dropout movie trailer about her being president goes here*
I guess the calculus changed after Biden dropped out but Russia just wants max chaos
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Palin was a bad candidate in 2008. This was a time when being dumb and unqualified was actually a liability to people who weren't in the base. I feel she legit cost McCain votes by being such a disaster.
But in 2024, Palin's deficiencies world be almost charming. I don't know how to compare Palin and Vance because "bad candidate" means something entirely different now.
its probably a mix of factors. The more people know about him the less they might support him, or the more people know about him the more trump adjacent people might stick with him. Its also become clear that hes on trumps side, and while a lot of people might not explicitly know about his phone calls to the trump team etc, thats kind of vibe change filters down to low info voters. Also the change to harris would have impacted it as well, as swing or democrat leaning voters who were double haters might be coming back to democrats. Also just as the campaign gets closer to the election peoples decisions crystalise and a more out there response to a poll based on just "a kennedy" gets more and more infrequent
It's absolutely not crass to point out that the only time the GOP/MAGA/The Right will uplift a woman is if they want to fuck that woman.
they only will listen to, focus on, pay attention to a woman if they want to fuck her.
The fucking weirdos
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Too bad the Vice President gets to decide who won an election and is immune from criminal prosecution for her Official Act of announcing herself the winner.
I like it because it’s extremely plausible and if true has absolutely zero stakes beyond furthering her status as a fame-grabbing weirdo who would do anything to stay in the game
History has shown that family doesn’t exactly have what most people would call scruples, and I think it’s pretty fitting she wasn’t invited to her own ticket partner’s funeral. McCain detested her and felt she was forced upon him; he wanted his buddy Joe Lieberman for a unity ticket, but the Tea Party fringe already had control of the party by that point.
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Has the vp given anything about her foreign policy plans post election?
This honestly seems like his only real bet, though I'm honestly wondering whether SCOTUS is willing to be that blatant even after all the other horseshit they've let him get away with up to this point.
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There wwre protestors at her rally today about the genocide and said "if you want Trump to win then say so", so not looking great.
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"He has a DUI!"
That was 30 years ago and he has been sober ever since.
"He misrepresented his rank! Sure he had that rank when he retired, but because he didn't do XYZ, he got bumped down a rank!"
So what you're telling me is that during the time he was still in, he had that rank and do those responsibilities and didn't do anything that merited a punishment that resulted in his rank dropping? So who fucking cares, that is so petty and technical, it might as well not matter because I don't care what his rank was after he got out, based on some really half assed things with how the military works. I care about what his actions were and he served his country for 24 years and didn't actually do anything wrong that would warrant a demotion for misconduct. Plus, let's be real, no one his going to bring up his rank unless they are referring to his actual service.
Then there is the whole thing were the dude actually cares about people and helps them out. He actually gets the whole concept of what serving others means. If it was Trump or Vance, they wouldn't have given two shits about someone passing out from heat stroke and would have continued with their speech as if nothing happened. Walz stopped his speech and made sure that someone who passed out from heat stroke was okay before continuing. Dude actually wants to use his position to help other people succeed, instead of the GOP's horseshit of using their power to fuck others over and enrich themselves. Kind of feels like most people that will end up hating Walz, are going to do so because they want to hate him.
Honestly it's as fair and good a response as any real candidate is liable to give for the forseeable future.
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Unfortunately there'll always be swift boat bullshit, but E8 isn't anything to sneeze at, and is extremely respectable in any service, for 24 years, particularly given he had a DUI during service, and that shit can seriously effect your chances at promotions at higher ranks, so presumably the fact that he still made it as far as he did implies that he earned it.
Also, speaking as a vet, anyone who bitches about someone "bailing" at 24 years is a little whiny crybaby bitch, and fuck whatever their opinion is. Who cares if he ever saw combat? He still served honorably and that's more than most people can ever say, let alone serving 24 god damned years.
And it isn't like he stopped serving his country, he immediately went into government and has continued to serve ever since.
So again, fuck anyone who wants to split hairs about ranks, particularly when he hasn't, that I'm aware of, claimed anything other than being a rank and holding a position that is typically a higher rank. It happens. A lot. This isn't some Senior Airman who passed their WAPS claiming they are a Staff Sergeant.
This shit irritates me, as the only people who fall for these kind of attacks are either people who have never served but want to pretend like they have any fucking clue what it's like to be in the military; active, reserve, or guard, it doesn't matter. Or people who were fucksticks while they were in, who everyone fucking hated and are whiny little bitches about it all now. Anyone who has ever uttered the words "Do you know who I am?" or some variation of rank-pulling bullshit that only shitheads do because they're too insecure to not.
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She apparently met with a different pro-Palestinian group beforehand, and I can see her getting frustrated and a little snippy after she kept getting interrupted by people accusing her of complicity in something she’s got fuckall to do with.
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Political purity test? They're protesting a genocide we're helping with.
Yaddah yaddah, polling is bullshit without knowing response rates, don't get complacent, honeymoon, bump, etc.
Marquette is one of the "good" ones, right?
For wider historical context, dreamer activists were extremely aggressive about protesting and heckling at Obama rallies back in the day and they got their way. Sometimes the right move is to just give the protesters what they want.
i'm honestly more interested in h2h not three way polls since that rfk support is not real, and it's more relevant to see where they go when forced. but i mean i'll take it.
So all she can do is listen to people and let them know their voices are heard
Which she did, and was then rewarded for it by another group heckling her
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i mean, israel is gonna have an effect on the election
and i'd much rather talk about that effect here than turn the thread about an ongoing genocide into "yeah okay but what about us though"
i'm getting more and more tired of "use your power to stop our ally from attacking one of the most densely populated regions of the earth with a 50% youth population" being treated as pie-in-the-sky nonsense
i understand that a democratic presidential nominee is going to have to figure out how to toe the line between people that think the palestinian genocide is just and good and people who have, you know, any shred of moral character, because they're gonna need support from both sides to win
but surely there is a better way to strike that balance than to say "shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down" to people protesting genocide
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Kind of the point of a campaign to make policy promises.
So... Obama then tried to do something, but to say immigration reform only existed because of protesters or was a thing that anyone is happy with as an outcome...we didnt get reform. We got a bandaid that Obama was able to. After legislation failed.
Trump rolled it back during his time in office. It's really a whole example of why you need votes and seats if you wanna pass things.
Here's some quotes from the group.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/08/07/uncommitted-leaders-demand-kamala-harris-back-israel-weapons-embargo-to-get-presidential-endorsement/74699770007/
The general gist is they feel there is some room for optimism but they're not getting the commitment they want yet.
Given the constraints on her and the reality of the electorate. I think she has positioned herself to where she needs to in regards to the conflict. She is calling for an immediate ceasefire, which is really the most she can do publicly in her current position. She could advise Biden on how he could or should do things differently, but I don't see that advice being made public and part of that is that Bibi has been trying to fuck around and meddle in US politics because he finds it more convenient to have asshole republicans running Washington. So both he and the GOP would have an absolutely field day, if they could spin up drama about Biden and Harris actively fighting over foreign policy.
Then there is the whole thing where Trump wants to empower the Israeli settler movement in their ability to more rapidly accelerate the genocide of the Palestinian people. Part of that is he is a giant fucking racist, part of it is he is his islamophobia and some of that is that he or one of his vile family members has worked out a deal to also get a chunk of the stolen property for some bullshit real estate project.
Also given that Harris had called for an immediate ceasefire in March, it's safe to say that she also has the same position that Biden has on the bullshit settlement shit that Israel has been up to in the West Bank. It is worth noting that the Biden administration has been fighting that shit to the best of their ability. If one was A-OK with that shit, they wouldn't be actively sanctioning people involved in the building of those illegal settlements. Also safe to say she is on board with the two-state solution and I honestly don't see her doing what Kaine has called for while she is still VP, unless Biden calls for it first (that is immediate recognition of Palestine as an independent nation).
So honestly, if that isn't enough for people to vote for her because of that conflict. I'm not entirely sure what she can do to win them over and I do have to start to wonder if they are really paying adequate attention to everything they need to pay attention to, if they genuinely want to help the Palestinian people. Also entirely possible that they just want to be mad, at which point winning them over was never an option and it's entirely possible that they are using the conflict as red herring. Should it get solved magically overnight, they'd just instantly trot out some new thing to justify their position of not being able to vote for Harris.