I thought DARE was stupid and it deffo backfired for me, but that didn't lead me to actually trying anything because an (recovering, but still) angry, violent addict father works wonders for not getting into much like that.
Now, on the other hand, the International Chess Federation banning trans women from Women's Chess and stripping trans men of any women's titles they earned? That's just naked, completely inexcusable transphobia.
It also seems really misogynistic to me. Implying that masc people (or 'people we decide are masc') have an inherent advantage at a purely intellectual game
Chess having a gender segregated tournament is definitely the product of a very dated competitive culture
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It doesn't really make sense for me to divide team sports by mere demographics. Weight classes make a bit more sense
This is a total non starter for a lot of reasons, but basically in the very least we split sport into men's and women's competitions for one excellent reason; because otherwise you essentially exclude women from a lot of sport. Which is not acceptable.
It doesn't really make sense for me to divide team sports by mere demographics. Weight classes make a bit more sense
This is a total non starter for a lot of reasons, but basically in the very least we split sport into men's and women's competitions for one excellent reason; because otherwise you essentially exclude women from a lot of sport. Which is not acceptable.
A thing i have always thought though is like
Even acknowledging the role testosterone plays in building muscle and etc.
Surely for any given sport, there's going to be SOME overlap between the top end of the pool of female athletes and the bottom end of the pool of male athletes
Like, surely the best player in the WNBA could take the position of the worst player in the NBA and do as well or better
Depends on the sport. For truly popular sports like football the men's depth of talent is so insanely high that even though the women are getting much much better, and even though it's not a contact sport, the men's top flight players are just more likely to be athletic freaks. Even without that though I really don't think that top flight women's players perform at anywhere close to top flight men's players, they're leagues away. Not that it matters at all; they don't play each other.
For contact sports like Rugby, you just couldn't put women at the same weight on the same pitch, you'd see hospitalisations and career ending injuries. Why do that? Just let women and men have their own leagues, and they can compete fairly, nobody has an issue with that.
Women who play sport aren't calling to be allowed to play in sports with men split by weight classes; they just want the women's side of the sport to be successful and entirely fairly so. Saying "okay well anyone who weighs less than 70kgs is in one and 70+ is in the other" just means that you have two men's games and nobody wants that
TLDR; I don't know but I suspect the best WNBA player does not actually get into the NBA at all, and that's a hugely strong argument for the existence of the WNBA as it means both are equally valid competitions
The less raw speed matters in the sport, the closer you'll see relative competition. The more important it is, the more it wrecks any semblance of balance.
Something like either football, rugby, obviously track, field hockey or lacrosse, the difference in running speed just destroys any sense of competitive parity. Like, as a point of comparison, the high school men's 400m record just got broke this year. It is a full three seconds faster than the women's world record.
I'd have to imagine breakaways in basketball would wind up having the same effect, but perhaps you could find a woman shooter who could put Curry to shame to hold their own.
But yeah, any sport where getting a step or two on the competition yields massive advantages, there's a huge, huge swing.
Thing is there's loads of factors but it doesn't really matter, it's just clearly the case that having men and women's divisions for sports is good and necessary for both divisions and also that replacing it with weight classes would be no bueno
In basketball the biggest factor is height. At the last all-star game Sabrina Ionescu competed against Steph Curry in a three point contest and lost by a basket, so it's not really skill, but physical size. I think the NBA has done the best in promoting the womens division as all the men are always talking up the WNBA and the Mens team was showing up at the Womens games. Womens college basketball has been gaining popularity, but always had some strong programs and then having Caitlyn Clark show up and a rivalry with Angel Reese that translated into the pros has hugely boosted WNBA's numbers. The only downside is people being quite racist about how good Clark is compared to the other players which tend to be black women.
Baseball would probably be the sport women could compete in the best, but not now, because all the training for women is about softball not baseball, and that's the biggest limiting factor for men's sports being more dominant is the large amounts of money put into training facilities for them. It will be a long time before a college invests in training facilities like they do their football programs.
There is no real competitive edge for trans women in sports, or we'd see them dominating already. It's just another avenue for conservatives to spread the lie that trans women transition to abuse women ignoring that's not what happens. If some man wants to abuse women it's much easier to become a cop than transition.
The Ted Cruz ad that Colin Allred is responding to is fucking stupid anyway because there aren't womens football leagues in high school so if a woman wants to play they're playing against men.
Now, on the other hand, the International Chess Federation banning trans women from Women's Chess and stripping trans men of any women's titles they earned? That's just naked, completely inexcusable transphobia.
It also seems really misogynistic to me. Implying that masc people (or 'people we decide are masc') have an inherent advantage at a purely intellectual game
The issue is that way WAY more men play chess than women worldwide, so just the math of how that works out means that most of the highest rated players are men. I've seen data that indicates wirth equal number of men and women playing there would be no difference in representation at the highest levels, but until parity in numbers in achieved its going to be difficult to have many women show up at the highest levels of competition without splitting them up. Hopefully having women's tournaments helps bring more young women into the game to try to bring the ratio closer to 50:50 at which point having the split is no longer required.
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I agree that baseball is probably the sport where we stand the best chance of seeing women integrating into pro (ostensibly men’s) teams successfully and doing well. It’s something I’d like to see, for sure. But I also don’t think it’s necessary across all sports because women’s sports (where they exist) are great. The WNBA is a great example and its success is largely on the back of the NBA actually committing to promoting it properly.
The NWSL (National Women’s Soccer League) is also picking up huge amounts of traction, even without much support from a larger men’s league. I’ve been going to my local team’s (Gotham FC) matches regularly for the last two years and I’ve seen them go from barely getting 1000 people to averaging over 5000 per game, to now often packing a men’s stadium to near capacity. More people are showing up to watch these ladies than were buying tickets for Oakland A’s games, and that’s kind of awesome.
Anyway, point is that there are much more interesting and exciting things happening in women’s sports than bigoted dipshits throwing tantrums over trans bogeywomen. Fuck those people. Go watch women’s sports.
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The NWSL is pretty great, it’s a shame that half the teams are managed by abusive assholes though, I think half the league has a former manager being sued at the moment
The main thing we learned in Dare was all the different gang affiliation color rules because we used to regularly have fights and shootings at the pier. Los Angeles in the 90s was wild in hindsight.
Now, on the other hand, the International Chess Federation banning trans women from Women's Chess and stripping trans men of any women's titles they earned? That's just naked, completely inexcusable transphobia.
It also seems really misogynistic to me. Implying that masc people (or 'people we decide are masc') have an inherent advantage at a purely intellectual game
The issue is that way WAY more men play chess than women worldwide, so just the math of how that works out means that most of the highest rated players are men. I've seen data that indicates wirth equal number of men and women playing there would be no difference in representation at the highest levels, but until parity in numbers in achieved its going to be difficult to have many women show up at the highest levels of competition without splitting them up. Hopefully having women's tournaments helps bring more young women into the game to try to bring the ratio closer to 50:50 at which point having the split is no longer required.
also, as I understand it, the way the sport's already dominated by men (and general sexism etc.) leads to a lot of women quitting early or settling for the less ambitious women's leagues
which leads to competitive chess remaining predominantly a male hobby
it's kind of a depressing situation all-round tbqh
the WNBA hasn't been successful, it has run at a loss every year since inception. the NBA has subsidized it because it's still been a great way to grow their brand with women that will watch both WNBA and NBA games.
there's been a lot of drama this year of players treating caitlyn clark like shit even though she's finally bringing money into the WNBA.
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the WNBA hasn't been successful, it has run at a loss every year since inception. the NBA has subsidized it because it's still been a great way to grow their brand with women that will watch both WNBA and NBA games.
there's been a lot of drama this year of players treating caitlyn clark like shit even though she's finally bringing money into the WNBA.
They treated her like they do any rookie. Michael Jordan got the shit beat out of him by the Pistons after single handedly making the Bulls good again. The media has a microscope on Clark so anything, but praise is treated as an insult. Of course players who have spent years building the WNBA don't show deference to Clark. The league was building in popularity before her, although she did give them a bump.
star NBA players have heavies, like draymond for curry. Clark does not, because her team sits there for fouls that would have cleared the benches in the NBA. it's pretty obvious the league hates her despite the success she brings.
Your strategy in the past decades has cost you everything to the point of Trump, the supreme court, and now having to vote for a genocidal maniac. I'd suggest your strategy doesn't work if 250.000 are massacred by your preferred president. I'm sorry, I do not trust your approach.
And guilt? With respect, fuck off with that. I have watched my friends and their families be massacred. I can in detail describe the way the innards of children look like. I don't have guilt. I have seething anger and hate for genocide, and to me that's a red line.
So no, Harris can't have my vote. You're voting for a genocidal maniac. You should feel guilt for sacrificing those children. Your vote will empower Harris to kill more. Your vote will empower her to save you. You can feel guilt, for failing your presumed "strategy of change".
So no, no guilt here. I have proudly lost countless connections and opportunities, I have gone to demonstrations and protests, I have mobilized and organised. I have nothing to feel guilty for, and those who vote against genocide have nothing to be guilty for either.
The only place guilt should come in is people putting their signature under a genocide - full complicity for massacres and war crimes. That's how far your "democracy between elections" has made you fall. Feel guilty, because you are one giving the mandate for it.
And then, inshallah, the guilt will propel you to actually use your rights in the next election, to let them know you have red lines. Right now, your strategy is the equivalent of Biden's Israel strategy: lots of red lines but unconditional support anyway. You see how that goes.
For now, your strategy means 2 million are starving and 250.000 are dead. I do hold you accountable if you vote for it, even if I can respect it if you have good reasons to. Suggesting guilt is on the side of those not voting for genocide is insane, though.
It's not, it's a democratic power. You currently have the power to draw a red line, and instead you're pledging unconditional support because of the alternative. You're not exerting power, and the strategies you describe have been whole ineffective.
I want you to fully internalize that your strategy has failed. If both your trolleys rails are now genocide, when just decades ago neither one was, that's something for you to fix. You can't expect the world to keep paying in the blood of millions for your systems' failures.
And I want you to stop suggesting that not voting for genocide is evil or repressed guilt or whatever. You are voting for a genocider because you see other benefits. Own that. Some people won't because genocide is something they won't put a signature under.
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I'm so tired of US folks responding to Arab, Muslim, anti-genocidal exhaustion with a lecture on how "real democracy happens between elections" and "repressed guilt" & whatever. We're being massacred in half a dozen nations by your president & both presidential candidates? Hello?
I need y'all to listen instead of try to argue with me that "genocide is just one topic". Have you read the history books? Its fucking genocide y'all. We're not talking a tax policy or an infrastructure thing. We're talking literal, unfiltered genocide. Genocide!
Like history won't go "Biden/Harris had great infrastructure achievements alongside the genocide" just the way we don't talk about historically elected genociders tax policies' because we remember them and their voters for what's literally defined as the worst human crime.
And again, I respect people voting Harris because *in the US* it'll make things better compared to your other genocider. Hell, it might make life better for *me* in Europe compared to Trump. I don't respect the fucking guilt you're trying to impose on people, or the pretense.
There's blood on your hands with a Harris vote. "Lesser evil" is not applicable to genocide. You're voting for genocide, as Harris has made clear she will support it. She's not playing 4D chess: she has openly committed to a continuation of the genocide. You're voting for her.
Now, if you say: listen, I understand this. I accept the weight, this blood, this responsibility. I accept this pain. I accept this anger. I accept this guilt. I accept the mandate I'm giving for more dead babies in incubators, more children ripped apart, more families destroyed?
OK. Vote for your genocider, & be fucking furious about being made complicit for your safety or comfort. You will have your four years, but I will remind you of the price the Palestinians, Lebanese, and everyone else paid for your "next shot". Enough blood for a failed democracy.
no fouls clear benches in the modern nba anymore because leaving the bench is an instant multi-game suspension.
you can't do anything to react to a hard foul or you're going to get massively penalized. idk i thought the clark stuff was mostly overblown because she's white and conservatives wanted to make it a thing. she's good and young and other teams will always attack that sort of player to try and rattle them.
churning out SEVEN solo authored seo-bait articles in the span of two days after an entire team got laid off with no severance goes against pretty much everything waypoint represented. really disappointing and really insulting.
i know i never post on here anymore but please stop forcing us to mourn the loss of a thing that you (vice) consistently prevented from being as good as it could’ve and should’ve been!!!
yeah, maybe. the eye poke in the playoffs had a lot of people talking and while reddit leans left there are still plenty of right winger trash on the site
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Tesla’s big autonomy event last night was mainly focused around the two-seat Cybercab and art deco city bus Robovan, but the company also talked about some updates to Optimus — the painfully slow robot that Elon Musk hopes will be an infinite money glitch for the company. The event’s afterparty heavily featured Optimus as a bartender and dancer, but it turns out the bot wasn’t doing anything itself. Tesla employees were remote controlling it the whole time.
Robert Scoble, an AI enthusiast in attendance at the event, posted a video to Twitter of Optimus pouring drinks and waving to attendees. A second video, in which Scoble has a conversation with the bot’s operator and directly addresses the question of whether Optimus did anything autonomously at the party. The answer appears to be a resounding no.
The fact that Optimus could carry on a conversation, alone, is a sign that the bot was primarily being remote controlled. The voice responding to Scoble’s questions, seemingly coming from some onboard speaker, doesn’t sound AI-generated — it’s clearly a human operator somewhere behind the scenes. The response itself, saying that there might be some AI involved, is not the kind of answer given by a company happily showing off its latest advancements in artificial intelligence. That’s the kind of thing you say when you’re trying to pretend like you’re using any AI at all.
Teleoperated automaton scams are a proud and time honored tradition, and I'm upset that such luminaries as Faber's Euphonia and Kempelen's ottoman chess maestro will now be invoked in the same breath as Musk.
Now, on the other hand, the International Chess Federation banning trans women from Women's Chess and stripping trans men of any women's titles they earned? That's just naked, completely inexcusable transphobia.
It also seems really misogynistic to me. Implying that masc people (or 'people we decide are masc') have an inherent advantage at a purely intellectual game
The issue is that way WAY more men play chess than women worldwide, so just the math of how that works out means that most of the highest rated players are men. I've seen data that indicates wirth equal number of men and women playing there would be no difference in representation at the highest levels, but until parity in numbers in achieved its going to be difficult to have many women show up at the highest levels of competition without splitting them up. Hopefully having women's tournaments helps bring more young women into the game to try to bring the ratio closer to 50:50 at which point having the split is no longer required.
Has there been an example of a sport where women's tournaments successfully bridged the gap to a gender neutral competitive system?
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Now, on the other hand, the International Chess Federation banning trans women from Women's Chess and stripping trans men of any women's titles they earned? That's just naked, completely inexcusable transphobia.
It also seems really misogynistic to me. Implying that masc people (or 'people we decide are masc') have an inherent advantage at a purely intellectual game
The issue is that way WAY more men play chess than women worldwide, so just the math of how that works out means that most of the highest rated players are men. I've seen data that indicates wirth equal number of men and women playing there would be no difference in representation at the highest levels, but until parity in numbers in achieved its going to be difficult to have many women show up at the highest levels of competition without splitting them up. Hopefully having women's tournaments helps bring more young women into the game to try to bring the ratio closer to 50:50 at which point having the split is no longer required.
Has there been an example of a sport where women's tournaments successfully bridged the gap to a gender neutral competitive system?
Skeet shooting was mixed gender at the Olympics. A Chinese woman won it in 1992. And a few years later in 2000 women's skeet shooting was introduced. Some claim this was done to keep women out of the men's shooting, other that it was done due to a lack of women competitors (similar to the chess problem). Women still are pretty close score wise to men.
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It also seems really misogynistic to me. Implying that masc people (or 'people we decide are masc') have an inherent advantage at a purely intellectual game
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This is a total non starter for a lot of reasons, but basically in the very least we split sport into men's and women's competitions for one excellent reason; because otherwise you essentially exclude women from a lot of sport. Which is not acceptable.
A thing i have always thought though is like
Even acknowledging the role testosterone plays in building muscle and etc.
Surely for any given sport, there's going to be SOME overlap between the top end of the pool of female athletes and the bottom end of the pool of male athletes
Like, surely the best player in the WNBA could take the position of the worst player in the NBA and do as well or better
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For contact sports like Rugby, you just couldn't put women at the same weight on the same pitch, you'd see hospitalisations and career ending injuries. Why do that? Just let women and men have their own leagues, and they can compete fairly, nobody has an issue with that.
Women who play sport aren't calling to be allowed to play in sports with men split by weight classes; they just want the women's side of the sport to be successful and entirely fairly so. Saying "okay well anyone who weighs less than 70kgs is in one and 70+ is in the other" just means that you have two men's games and nobody wants that
TLDR; I don't know but I suspect the best WNBA player does not actually get into the NBA at all, and that's a hugely strong argument for the existence of the WNBA as it means both are equally valid competitions
Something like either football, rugby, obviously track, field hockey or lacrosse, the difference in running speed just destroys any sense of competitive parity. Like, as a point of comparison, the high school men's 400m record just got broke this year. It is a full three seconds faster than the women's world record.
I'd have to imagine breakaways in basketball would wind up having the same effect, but perhaps you could find a woman shooter who could put Curry to shame to hold their own.
But yeah, any sport where getting a step or two on the competition yields massive advantages, there's a huge, huge swing.
Baseball would probably be the sport women could compete in the best, but not now, because all the training for women is about softball not baseball, and that's the biggest limiting factor for men's sports being more dominant is the large amounts of money put into training facilities for them. It will be a long time before a college invests in training facilities like they do their football programs.
There is no real competitive edge for trans women in sports, or we'd see them dominating already. It's just another avenue for conservatives to spread the lie that trans women transition to abuse women ignoring that's not what happens. If some man wants to abuse women it's much easier to become a cop than transition.
The Ted Cruz ad that Colin Allred is responding to is fucking stupid anyway because there aren't womens football leagues in high school so if a woman wants to play they're playing against men.
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The issue is that way WAY more men play chess than women worldwide, so just the math of how that works out means that most of the highest rated players are men. I've seen data that indicates wirth equal number of men and women playing there would be no difference in representation at the highest levels, but until parity in numbers in achieved its going to be difficult to have many women show up at the highest levels of competition without splitting them up. Hopefully having women's tournaments helps bring more young women into the game to try to bring the ratio closer to 50:50 at which point having the split is no longer required.
The NWSL (National Women’s Soccer League) is also picking up huge amounts of traction, even without much support from a larger men’s league. I’ve been going to my local team’s (Gotham FC) matches regularly for the last two years and I’ve seen them go from barely getting 1000 people to averaging over 5000 per game, to now often packing a men’s stadium to near capacity. More people are showing up to watch these ladies than were buying tickets for Oakland A’s games, and that’s kind of awesome.
Anyway, point is that there are much more interesting and exciting things happening in women’s sports than bigoted dipshits throwing tantrums over trans bogeywomen. Fuck those people. Go watch women’s sports.
The NWSL is pretty great, it’s a shame that half the teams are managed by abusive assholes though, I think half the league has a former manager being sued at the moment
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also, as I understand it, the way the sport's already dominated by men (and general sexism etc.) leads to a lot of women quitting early or settling for the less ambitious women's leagues
which leads to competitive chess remaining predominantly a male hobby
it's kind of a depressing situation all-round tbqh
Well also because all the best US players are in it while MLS, awesome as it is, has few if any US players you know or care about
So NWLS is where you go for star power
there's been a lot of drama this year of players treating caitlyn clark like shit even though she's finally bringing money into the WNBA.
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They treated her like they do any rookie. Michael Jordan got the shit beat out of him by the Pistons after single handedly making the Bulls good again. The media has a microscope on Clark so anything, but praise is treated as an insult. Of course players who have spent years building the WNBA don't show deference to Clark. The league was building in popularity before her, although she did give them a bump.
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you can't do anything to react to a hard foul or you're going to get massively penalized. idk i thought the clark stuff was mostly overblown because she's white and conservatives wanted to make it a thing. she's good and young and other teams will always attack that sort of player to try and rattle them.
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Has there been an example of a sport where women's tournaments successfully bridged the gap to a gender neutral competitive system?
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Biggest thing I can think of is sports which have explicitly mixed doubles, like badminton.