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If I thought for a second God was actually real and that certain humans have taught things guided by that god it would change everything. The only possible reaction would be to make it central to every part of my life. The fact that people dont either meand they are disgustingly stupid or, deep down, they dont really believe and are just playing along hoping it works out.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
@skippydumptruck back when i could do pistol squats i got there by starting out holding the back of a dining room chair to stabilize myself and then when that was comfortable i switched to hand on the seat once i got low
it allowed me to make sure i had the right form without just exploding off my kneecaps one at a time
prosperity gospel bugs the ever loving shit out of me because it’s contrary to everything that Christ supposedly stood for
It’s easier to tolerate when you accept being Christian is not and has never been important to those people
Everyone has an axis of existential security and intellectual curiosity, and when your axis point is far to one end of the curve, you become this kind of person—in need for constant validation but not capable of providing it through insight and introspection
I’ve always thought of evangelical Christianity describing Protestants who focus hugely on conversion and being born again and etc. That would include prosperity gospel people. I think that while Mormons and JW focus big on outreach and evangelizing, I don’t think they’re largely identified as Protestant and I think also don’t embrace trinitarianism.
But I guess to me a lot of different Protestant sects can be considered evangelical- they fit if they really emphasize and practice the act of evangelizing to others and try to broaden the reach of their practice.
Someone took a photo of a bottle of sodium chloride in the lab and was like ha ha I guess someone in the lab has a salt problem bigger than me. And I hearted it because haha you like salt. But now I realize it was a passive aggressive comment about there being no more sodium chloride in the lab. I am not sure how much longer I can work with neurotypicals. What is with their total aversion to direct communication?
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
Evangelical is a really weird term because all throughout my life, people who believe what I believe have used it to describe ourselves, and other people who believe what I believe have used it to describe beliefs we consider to be the polar opposite. Same with people using it as a pejorative against me, or else against people they think are me even though we believe very different things.
I've definitely heard it associated with prosperity but not usually as a 1:1.
It doesn't, like, bother me, but it's just a bit tricky to keep track of.
Especially when talking about attitudes toward prayer, because "evangelical" could refer to Prosperity or Word or Faith, or it could refer to Calvinists, the exact opposite when it comes to that particular doctrine.
I think it’s because the term is used differently within the in-groups than without, much like how our national political discourse is between liberals and conservatives, but people who identify as liberal often don’t self-identify as that outside of the specific context of conservative opposition.
To “evangelize” and to act as an evangelist has specific connotations and attachments within Protestantism, but the secular use of the word is meant to describe a particular vein of Protestant ideology largely focused on visible proclamations of faith, which very much is against the rest of mainline Protestantism.
Mainline Protestant: “I love Jesus, ask me if you want to know more,”
Evangelical: “I love Jesus, and if I have anything to do with it, you will, too,”
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HerrCronIt that wickedly supports taxationRegistered Userregular
If I thought for a second God was actually real and that certain humans have taught things guided by that god it would change everything. The only possible reaction would be to make it central to every part of my life. The fact that people dont either meand they are disgustingly stupid or, deep down, they dont really believe and are just playing along hoping it works out.
i think plenty of people do live this way, just often not religious leaders funnily enough
I’ve always thought of evangelical Christianity describing Protestants who focus hugely on conversion and being born again and etc. That would include prosperity gospel people. I think that while Mormons and JW focus big on outreach and evangelizing, I don’t think they’re largely identified as Protestant and I think also don’t embrace trinitarianism.
But I guess to me a lot of different Protestant sects can be considered evangelical- they fit if they really emphasize and practice the act of evangelizing to others and try to broaden the reach of their practice.
there are Catholic evangelicals too, it's just the label has been largely overtaken by a specific type of Southern Baptist and Midwestern Lutheran
Jews broadly don’t believe in evangelizing, and resist converts. Are there any Christian sects like that?
Unitarians. Who are widely mocked and scorned by Evangelical sects (How many Unitarians does it take to change a light bulb? I don't know, and neither do they.), but they are generally chill and accepting and don't broadly evangelize. They expect you to come as you are, even if you are agnostic or atheist, and just enjoy the community and company.
ok so last night we were hanging out with our friends and I have learned more of the insane family lore of my friend’s partner, whose grandpa was a white-passing native guy and just kept that secret for almost all his life
so it reminded me of the premise of The Human Stain, which I haven’t read in many years, and I’m like oh I will lend it to you next time, and they’re like yeah!
but uhhh I started rereading it on the plane and there is a lot of very Philip Roth-y male desire stuff at the beginning and essentially no race at all and I cannot imagine that this lesbian friend is particularly down for it
now I’m like mayybe….I better withdraw this recommendation…
Steam, LoL: credeiki
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
prosperity gospel bugs the ever loving shit out of me because it’s contrary to everything that Christ supposedly stood for
It’s easier to tolerate when you accept being Christian is not and has never been important to those people
Everyone has an axis of existential security and intellectual curiosity, and when your axis point is far to one end of the curve, you become this kind of person—in need for constant validation but not capable of providing it through insight and introspection
edit: Here I made a graph:
What is this Credeiki religion you speak of, and how can I follow it? Please, just tell me what to believe!
I've become a lot more mellow about religion in my dotage but every time I listen to evangelical doctrine for even half a minute I feel the dark fedora gracing my brow once again
Motherfuckers out here talking about "sowing financial seeds" that will pay them back fivefold and just grinning with their electric white teeth and vampire eyes
we were too aggressive in culling the fedora population
now we've got evangelicals everywhere again
Elendil on
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
Jews broadly don’t believe in evangelizing, and resist converts. Are there any Christian sects like that?
There were. Just like there used to be evangelical Jews.
Just by the law of large numbers theres probably sects like that around today.
But the canon of scripture that Christians eventually settled on (over the course of well over 500 years) includes a lot of writing by self professed evangelicals and praising such activity.
Some sales people.bullied me into agreeing to a Friday 8am meeting and now we have decided on another vendor and my wife will be cancelling for me in exchange for a massage 8)
Jews broadly don’t believe in evangelizing, and resist converts. Are there any Christian sects like that?
Episcopal and maybe Presbyterian or Lutheran.
Presbyterianism means different things in different places. Like, Korean Presbyterianism is absolutely an Evangelical sect, and a particularly aggressive one at that. But yeah, the joke about Presbyterians (the white American version) is "How many Presbyterians does it take to change a lightbulb? Really just one, but they have to form a committee first to talk about it for a while".
Jews broadly don’t believe in evangelizing, and resist converts. Are there any Christian sects like that?
Unitarians. Who are widely mocked and scorned by Evangelical sects (How many Unitarians does it take to change a light bulb? I don't know, and neither do they.), but they are generally chill and accepting and don't broadly evangelize. They expect you to come as you are, even if you are agnostic or atheist, and just enjoy the community and company.
Oh yeah I always forget that I've been a Unitarian for years. I don't even consider it Christianity tbh and the one I joined in college was pagan and the one I was in in Texas was almost exclusively atheists and humanists.
ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
every Unitarian i've ever known has been either a totally chill person into it basically just for the community or a wide-eyed goofball into it basically just for the community
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Which is on brand, I guess.
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it allowed me to make sure i had the right form without just exploding off my kneecaps one at a time
But I guess to me a lot of different Protestant sects can be considered evangelical- they fit if they really emphasize and practice the act of evangelizing to others and try to broaden the reach of their practice.
I think it’s because the term is used differently within the in-groups than without, much like how our national political discourse is between liberals and conservatives, but people who identify as liberal often don’t self-identify as that outside of the specific context of conservative opposition.
To “evangelize” and to act as an evangelist has specific connotations and attachments within Protestantism, but the secular use of the word is meant to describe a particular vein of Protestant ideology largely focused on visible proclamations of faith, which very much is against the rest of mainline Protestantism.
Mainline Protestant: “I love Jesus, ask me if you want to know more,”
Evangelical: “I love Jesus, and if I have anything to do with it, you will, too,”
Celeste [Switch] - She'll be wrestling with inner demons when she comes...
Super Mario Wonder - Wowie Zowie!
i think plenty of people do live this way, just often not religious leaders funnily enough
I will obtain it
there are Catholic evangelicals too, it's just the label has been largely overtaken by a specific type of Southern Baptist and Midwestern Lutheran
Like I think a lot of sects resist walkons and recruit selectively, which is a different thing than Judaisms thing iirc?
Mennonites don't seem to actively seek out additions to the flock
the same with conspiracy theories
i just wanna talk about whether bigfoot has a human dick or a dog dick but people immediately assume you hate jews
I thought my church loved converts
so it reminded me of the premise of The Human Stain, which I haven’t read in many years, and I’m like oh I will lend it to you next time, and they’re like yeah!
but uhhh I started rereading it on the plane and there is a lot of very Philip Roth-y male desire stuff at the beginning and essentially no race at all and I cannot imagine that this lesbian friend is particularly down for it
now I’m like mayybe….I better withdraw this recommendation…
Look, if I knew I’d be doing it myself
now we've got evangelicals everywhere again
there are different kinds of Lutheran
If you can read youre in
Why would he have a dog dick
There were. Just like there used to be evangelical Jews.
Just by the law of large numbers theres probably sects like that around today.
But the canon of scripture that Christians eventually settled on (over the course of well over 500 years) includes a lot of writing by self professed evangelicals and praising such activity.
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And Jesus spoketh, I did not come to rescind the dog dick but to affirm it.
I think it's just The Secret to Money (an app from The Secret empire of nonsense)
She used a lot of keywords in their ad copy
A lot of talk of "abundance"
Lutherans and Seventh Day Adventists, I think
Mormons do a ton of recruiting though
They just also want to see your tax returns