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The Walz-Vance [Debate] thread on CBS, 9PM ET, Oct. 1, 2024

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    My question to you Tim Walz is "fuck you."

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Vance just lies confidently about everything.

    And people who don't know that they're lies just hear the confidence.

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    “They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately

    Vance’s messaging is laser focused on rust belt voters.

    This Walz question on Tiananmen Square is weirdly hostile.

  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited October 2
    Did Vance just imply that non-US countries are poisoning vaccines and medicines for American use?

    The amount of basic drugs we don't make in the US is probably something that should be addressed.

    But also it was hella funny when the US was making all the Moderna and Pfizer covid vaccines and not sharing them fast enough.

    E: Like maybe we don't need to lead the world in making drugs developed decades ago.

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  • OneAngryPossumOneAngryPossum Registered User regular
    I think Vance is ultimately too much of a boring ass regular politician to accomplish much more than the regular background noise of evil, but his competence with confidently speaking bullshit and giving it the cadence of a sensical statement is tremendously annoying.

    But honestly, the guy is just a slightly dumber Paul Ryan. I don’t see the threat.

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    I will say 'moderation' is doing again a better job than I expected from tonight.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    Did Vance just imply that non-US countries are poisoning vaccines and medicines for American use?

    The amount of basic drugs we don't make in the US is probably something that should be addressed.

    But also it was hella funny when the US was making all the Moderna and Pfizer covid vaccines and not sharing them fast enough.

    Especially when a large portion of our country was rejecting them, and we ended up having surpluses of them left to rot.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    “Remember when you shit all over Trump? What changed, cuck? You have two minutes to respond.”

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  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    “They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately

    Vance’s messaging is laser focused on rust belt voters.

    This Walz question on Tiananmen Square is weirdly hostile.

    I'm waiting for "stolen valor, why did you?"

  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    I will say 'moderation' is doing again a better job than I expected from tonight.

    The questions are horrible.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited October 2
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    zagdrob wrote: »
    I will say 'moderation' is doing again a better job than I expected from tonight.

    The questions are horrible.

    Some of the questions are decent. These ones are awful

    Fencingsax on
  • OneAngryPossumOneAngryPossum Registered User regular
    Amazing he’s trying to run as the outsider candidate somehow.

  • RaynagaRaynaga Registered User regular
    That China follow-up was fair, but rough.

    Overall they seem to be doing OK.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    zagdrob wrote: »
    I will say 'moderation' is doing again a better job than I expected from tonight.

    The questions are horrible.

    Yes, but, if they keep lying to the republicans that they won't fact check or mute mics just to get them to show up, that's a good first step!

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    “They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately

    Vance’s messaging is laser focused on rust belt voters.

    This Walz question on Tiananmen Square is weirdly hostile.

    Ehhhh it was a discrepancy he needed to address, and he didn’t address it in the question until the redirect. That wasn’t great, especially when his follow up was frank and good.

  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    Yep so Vance probably thought that was great but he's run with "let's not trust the experts". Trump's base already loves that, I'm hoping that sounds a bit weird to everyone else.

    That's a common blue collar attitude towards white collar, which is a demographic Kamala/Walz are still fighting for.

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    zagdrob wrote: »
    I will say 'moderation' is doing again a better job than I expected from tonight.

    The questions are horrible.

    And yet that's not mutually exclusive with what I said.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Okay, the framing of this abortion question was some hot steaming bullshit.

  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    “They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately

    It'll play well with the base, but that's not the group of voters Trump and Vance need to convince to vote for them. I suspect it won't play well enough with everyone else. Some undecided and soft supporters of the GOP's bullshit will like it, but I suspect it is going to turn off more people in that column because people like an expert opinion on things outside their wheelhouse.

  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    AHAHA. He just keeps TALKING. He gets dunked on a fact check on Springfield (the fact that the Haitians are there legally, and the myth that they are illegal migrants), and he just keeps doubling down on it. And then swerves into this magical application that waves a magic wand and suddenly, Kamala personally grants asylum. (The app just schedules an appointment for an interview for asylum)

    Just got to that as I had to switch to a more reliable stream and it was truly pathetic.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator mod
    If you had a drinking game where you took a shot every time someone said "Donald Trump", you'd be dead by now.

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    So far Walz's most winning strategy is to take whatever Vance says and undercut it by pointing out what Trump has said/done that contradicts it.

    Meanwhile Vance has done a good job of not getting rattled, staying on message, and lying with confidence. Hate to say it but he clearly prepped for this, IMO.

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Waltz’s best answer of the evening on abortion.

  • KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    Ugh, I don't have the energy for this.

  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    Yep so Vance probably thought that was great but he's run with "let's not trust the experts". Trump's base already loves that, I'm hoping that sounds a bit weird to everyone else.

    That's a common blue collar attitude towards white collar, which is a demographic Kamala/Walz are still fighting for.

    Yes and no - it sort of tends to vary. Like, as soon as you cross over into something they know about, you do get a few lightbulb moments. "Trust doctors" later on by Walz was a good line.

  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    This is just blatant lying from Vance vis a vis abortion. He is going against every statement he has ever done about abortion.

  • VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    “They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately

    It'll play well with the base, but that's not the group of voters Trump and Vance need to convince to vote for them. I suspect it won't play well enough with everyone else. Some undecided and soft supporters of the GOP's bullshit will like it, but I suspect it is going to turn off more people in that column because people like an expert opinion on things outside their wheelhouse.

    i think you're off base on this

    anti-ivory tower populism has broad appeal outside of the trump base

    it's not anti-intellectual, it furthers the narrative that the experts (democratically educated policy people) have engineered america's decline to enrich themselves

    that belief is not just limited to trump's base unfortunately

  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    I kinda hate how the moderators keep say "your time is up." right after the person finished talking. Like no shit.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    This is just blatant lying from Vance vis a vis abortion. He is going against every statement he has ever done about abortion.

    that's their new strategy, we'll see if it works. i assume it will because american electorate is stupid.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    If you had a drinking game where you took a shot every time someone said "Donald Trump", you'd be dead by now.

    I'm already getting irritated by both of them saying "But look."

    Also, Vance's response on abortion was just bullshit. "We need to help families... which is why we're fucking not and want to obliterate all public programs."

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Tim just hit him with state’s rights allowed for slavery? Do you think slavery should be decided by voters in the state?

  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    If you had a drinking game where you took a shot every time someone said "Donald Trump", you'd be dead by now.

    I'm already getting irritated by both of them saying "But look."

    Also, Vance's response on abortion was just bullshit. "We need to help families... which is why we're fucking not and want to obliterate all public programs."

    The problem here is the media should be doing their fucking jobs and eviscerating Vance before and after this. But they're not going to.

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    “They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately

    Vance’s messaging is laser focused on rust belt voters.

    This Walz question on Tiananmen Square is weirdly hostile.

    Ehhhh it was a discrepancy he needed to address, and he didn’t address it in the question until the redirect. That wasn’t great, especially when his follow up was frank and good.

    It got ugly on the back half.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Walz dismissing Vance's pissbabying is excellent

  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    American's rights should not be determined by their fucking geography you lizard in a skin suit

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I am getting sick of "We have a lot to discuss"

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Walz sounded REALLY frustrated by Vance supposedly making a claim that doctors are allowed to kill botched late term abortions, which is just a fucking bizarre bit of nonsense.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    The theater shit the media is obsessed with will prefer the smarmy liar. which is my concern.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    Vance: makes shit up

    "Tell me what I said that was wrong!"

    Internet troll made flesh

  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    I was wrong about that guy being Hitler when he wasn't an American Hitler analog from whom I could benefit from.

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