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2024 US [Election] Thread: Election Day is this week

Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready.We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
edited November 5 in Debate and/or Discourse
Because we are close to 100 pages, a new thread will be created on Election Day (likely at some point between 6-8AM PST), regardless of the page count of this current thread.. A lot of things will be happening Election Day, and we recognize that there will be a fair amount of live-blogging as things occur.

Here is your continuing general US election thread for the year 2024. Good lord, a lot has happened in the past month.

Just as a brief overview of all the crazy shit that's been happening:
  • June 27, 2024 - President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump engage in the earliest debate ever staged between two Presidential candidates in an election year. Sick with a cold, Biden biffs it, causing widespread panic and despair among his supporters. Trump also pulls a bullshit crazy performance, but this largely goes unnoticed because that's par for the course.
  • June 28, 2024 - Biden launches a rally in North Carolina trying to buoy the failing morale after a disastrous debate. "I don't debate as well as I used to, but I know what I do know... When you get knocked down, you get back up!" Despite the wisdom of Chumbawumba, few are convinced.
  • July 5-7, 2024 - Biden has an interview where he says "only the Lord almighty could persuade him to step aside" and "I'll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did as good a job as I know I can do - That's what this is about." This is not reassuring. Hakeem Jeffries meets with senior party leaders in a crisis session. Democratic leaders meet with Biden, but seem resigned to have Biden stay on the ticket.
  • July 10, 2024 - Fucking George Clooney butts in with an op-ed in the New York Times.
  • July 13, 2024 - Donald Trump survives an assassination attempt at a rally in PA. A lot of forumers panicked and thought the election was over when Pulitzer-worthy photos of a defiant Trump were widely distributed on mainstream news.
  • July 15, 2024 - Random Twitter user rickrudescalves tweeted, "can't say for sure but he might be the first vp pick to have admitted in a ny times bestseller to fucking an inside-out latex glove shoved between two couch cushions (vance, hillbilly elegy, pp. 179-181)." The tweet gained over 1.8 million views, 2,600 retweets and 35,000 likes in one week and spawns a huge wave of JD Vance couch memes.
  • July 15-18, 2024 - The Republican National Convention occurs. JD Vance accepts the nomination of VP candidate to chants of "Mamaw". MAGA wears diapers on their ears. Hulk Hogan tears off his shirt. Kid Rock was also there. Trump locks in his coronation as King Trump of the GOP.
  • July 17, 2024 - Biden tests positive for COVID and returns to his home in Delaware to isolate.
  • July 19, 2024 - Biden reiterates that he's still in the race.
  • July 21, 2024 - Psych! Biden announces that he will not seek re-election and endorses Kamala Harris, his VP.
  • July 21, 2024 - Charli XCX declares "kamala IS brat"
  • July 22-27, 2024 - In a shocking turn of events, Kamala Harris quickly consolidates support from wide swaths of the Democratic electorate, and multiple fundraisers over Zoom break records for attendance. A huge social media blitz across TikTok, Instagram, and other platforms quickly spreads a message of support for the new Presidential candidate.
  • July 23, 2024 - Minnesota Governor Tim Walz appears on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” and says the thing we're all thinking: "These guys are just weird"
  • July 28, 2024 - In just one week, Kamala Harris raises $200 million from supporters and donors, with 66% of the donations coming from first-time donors.
  • July 31, 2024 - Trump has a disastrous panel at the National Association of Black Journalists, where he accused VP Harris of "being Indian, not Black, until recently", among various personal attacks and insults against the journalists in attendance and VP Harris.
  • August 6, 2024 - After much speculation over a vetted list of candidates that included PA Governor Shapiro, Sec. of Transportation Pete Buttigieg, AZ Senator Mark Kelly, and KY Governor Andy Beshear (among many others), Kamala Harris announces that she has selected Minnesota Governor Tim Walz to be her running mate.
  • August 12, 2024 - TIME magazine reveals their cover for the August 26th issue, featuring a portrait of Kamala Harris. Trump becomes obsessed with the quality of this picture, for some goddamn reason known only to him.
  • August 14, 2024 - Amidst a surge in poll numbers for Harris, Republican strategists beg Trump to talk about economic policy. In North Carolina, Trump shakes two boxes of Tic Tacs calling this "Inflation", and then proceeds to go off-script to sling personal attacks against Harris, in front of a backdrop that says "No Tax On Tips" plastered all over it.
  • August 15, 2024 - At his golf course in New Jersey, Trump stood in front of a bunch of food items placed on tables (ostensibly, to talk about grocery prices. They are barely referenced) to deliver what should have been an economic policy speech. He manages to dryly read from sheets of paper on his podium while exaggerating numbers, then fires off into personal attacks. Again.
  • August 17, 2024 - MAGA are seen at a Trump rally brandishing JD Vance Jizz Cups. This is thought to be an attack against IVF and by extension Tim Walz, whose children were born via IVF.
  • August 19, 2024 - The Democratic National Convention starts. Biden does not secretly reclaim the nomination as candidate for President, much to the chagrin of Trump and the GOP.
  • August 20, 2024 - Lil Jon does the roll call for Georgia. The Obamas deliver a one-two punch dissing Trump and reminding everyone what 2008 was like.
  • August 21, 2024 - Tim Walz accepts the nomination as VP of the Democratic Party ticket. John Legend attempts to cover Prince.
  • August 22, 2024 - Kamala Harris accepts the nomination as President of the Democratic Party ticket. Beyonce and Taylor Swift are no-shows.
  • August 22, 2024 - JD Vance visited Holt's Sweet Shop, a donut shop in Valdosta, Georgia. Cringe ensues.
  • August 27, 2024 - Trump has a photo op at Arlington National Cemetery and commits yet another federal crime by bringing cameras to a restricted area. The response is a sternly worded letter from the US Army.
  • September 1, 2024 - Trump says the quiet part out loud on a Fox News interview: "Whoever heard you get indicted for interfering with a presidential election where you have every right to do it"
  • September 10, 2024 - The Harris-Trump debate. "They're eating cats and dogs" "A Concept of a Plan" "Trans Surgeries for Illegal Aliens in Prisons" there is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born."
  • September 10, 2024 - Shortly after the debate, Childless Cat Lady Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris via Instagram post.
  • September 15, 2024 - In an event that the media is calling another Trump assassination attempt, Secret Service agents open fire on Ryan Wesley Routh, a 58 year old white man with a rifle and bulletproof backpacks, for poking a rifle through the chain-link fence surrounding the Trump International Golf Club in Florida where Trump was golfing. Routh was approximately 500 yards away from Trump, but upon meeting resistance from the Secret Service, Routh fled the scene without firing a shot and was apprehended by authorities after vehicular pursuit. The man appears to be a former Trump voter and a current Republican Never-Trumper who backed Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy.
  • October 1, 2024 - VP candidates JD Vance and Tim Walz have a debate. Largely considered a "draw", with JD pulling a more composed performance while also providing some embarrassing soundbites regarding the Jan. 6 coup attempt and fact-checking (which spawned a great meme).

US presidential elections as of late have become a stressful and contentious time on these forums, with a lot of infighting and poor posting habits that lead to accounts being jailed and/or banned. The moderators will be watching this thread more closely than any other thread on Debate and Discourse.

Also, a lot of congressional seats and governorships will be elected this year. Feel free to discuss those, but don't be surprised if all the oxygen is sucked out of the room by the presidential election discussion. Some of these side discussions may be easier to do in the appropriate state-level political threads.

General Rules and Posting Guidelines

Most of these rules and guidelines are already standing policy in Debate and Discourse political threads, but they are being reiterated here so you have absolutely no excuse for not knowing them. Some of them are for this specific thread only. You are responsible for these rules and reading the OP (and the entire thread, for that matter) if you want to participate in this discussion.
  • Be Kind - This is THE most stressful topic for a lot of the posters here. Now is NOT the time to deploy the snark cannon or the condescension engine or "fucking fuck FUCK", no matter how much you dislike another poster. Be gracious. Be kind. Realize that we're all stressed out here.
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Who Are The Candidates?

Okay. Stop. Just stop. Get out of the thread. We don't really have time to educate you if you aren't willing to put one iota of research into this topic, or you live under a rock (unlikely, since you post here). If you want to post here, don't do so from a position of ignorance of the very basic topics. For very basic information about the upcoming election (Presidential, Congressional, Gubernatorial, or other), head to Ballotpedia.

Topics to Avoid

Not infractable (EDIT: Okay, maybe a little infractable, as a treat, but we'll give you a warning by default), but generally fruitless avenues of discussion that will get a LOT of side eye from the moderators.
  • The results of any individual poll - This is distinct from talking about the accuracy of a given poll result (the infamous biases that exist with phone polling, for example) or discussing the legitimacy of a poll. In general, any single poll is going to be meaningless unless context is given against other similar polls or the methodology/sample size used in the poll. "Latest CNN poll shows..." is pretty useless, and results change on an almost daily basis as part of our cursed 24 hour news cycle.
  • In-depth medical discussion about dementia - I know the few of you who are health care professionals and doctors, but the rest of you have no business diagnosing someone who you've never examined with any sort of mental illness or dementia. We get it, they're old. This is a fruitless topic that leads to a lot of dumb things that laypeople say when they read WebMD.
  • Palestine/Israel - This is an important topic, but take it to the MENA thread. Folks can post articles about it if it pertains directly to the US elections, but take further discussion to the MENA thread. "I'd like to talk more about this, but let's take it over to the MENA thread." - Use this line. You have permission from me.
  • US Immigration policy - Again, an important topic, but take it to the existing Immigration thread. This one is a bit more lax because we're likely to see a lot of arguing about this from the candidates and the US political parties, but in-depth discussion of immigration policy should take place in the Immigration thread.
  • Ukraine - In-depth discussion of what's going on in Ukraine should probably be routed to that thread.
  • The philosophical principles of voting in general - We have a separate thread for that. It's a garbage fire, but it exists. Have at it over there.
  • The usual Leftist vs. Liberal arguments - We know. It's a longstanding thing on these forums. As much as we all enjoy a circular firing-squad (spoiler alert: We don't), if this starts happening, that's the RIGHT time to walk away. Don't escalate. Use the report button. Post about something else. No political affiliation needs you, Joe/Jane Internet, to defend its honor or whatever. This one IS likely to lead to infractions or thread-kicks or a thread lock.
  • Project 2025 - Yeah, this is the game plan given by conservative thinktanks in the US if they obtain enough power. But this is all stuff that happens AFTER the election. It's not their game plan for winning this election. There is a current thread about Project 2025, so lead discussion of Project 2025 here.
  • Do not keep making the argument that Trump will be worse than Biden Harris - This is 100% obvious. Everyone knows this. You do not need to make this argument. Yet, it keeps getting made. If you feel compelled to say this in the thread for some reason, take a step back and actually listen to what people are saying. Especially don't keep harping about how Trump will be so much worse for the LGBTQ+ members of our forum! This has ONLY led to bloody and pointless arguments that eventually lead to thread locks. No one here is voting for Trump. Whether or not they are voting or voting for Biden Harris is their own personal dilemma and not yours. Do your political canvassing out there in the real world. Note that you can compare the candidates all that you want. But "Trump will be worse", while technically true, tends to be used as a dismissal or rebuff for criticism of Biden, and you can do better than that. Address the criticisms and arguments.
  • 7/16/2024 Addendum - The Trump Rally shooting and assassination attempt - Try to avoid talking about the shooting except how it directly pertains to the Election. We plan on having a separate thread to discuss the shooting. Doomposting based on how this will bump Trump chances is not allowed in this thread, as are snarky comments about the shooting in general. 9/3/2024 Addendum to the Addendum - Okay, so we never ended up caring enough about this to create a thread on this topic, which is okay, because apparently no one cared about it after a week passed by. Wild.

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New Election Threads

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Mods will update this OP over time as more things need to be said. We'll hopefully also announce in the thread if there are other rules/guidelines that are being added, but you are responsible for knowing the stuff in this OP.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Geth kick user SCREECH OF THE FARG from the thread

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    Affirmative Hahnsoo1. @SCREECH OF THE FARG banned from this thread.

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    I would expect this thread to last until the 4th.

    Then a new one for the actual day of.

  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    I would expect this thread to last until the 4th.

    Then a new one for the actual day of.

    We are for sure burning at least 100 pages on the 5th.

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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Jesus the deluge of insane anti trans adds in Texas especially. Holy shit.

  • MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    Yeah, I've noticed that there's a surge of anti-trans ads in Michigan, both for Harris, and the local house rep.

    It's interesting that teens that transition into girls are referred to as 'men' instead of 'boys'. 'The Democrats want MEN to play along GIRLS' Apparently it's not testosterone that makes you a man, it's taking estrogen.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I mean, it's obviously they lie in order to fearmonger most effectively

  • BigJoeMBigJoeM Registered User regular
    Yeah watching football with my dad and damn near every single Trump or Cruz ad was anti-trans.

    I think i saw one "murderers are coming across the border" ad all day. That used to be more prevalent.

    The Republican party really has fuck all to offer besides bigotry.

  • MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    It's becoming indistinguishable from facebook racist screeds, complete with the badly photoshopped caricatures of minorities.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    At the end of the last thread, Taramoor asks what the purpose of Trump doing a common clay spot at McDonalds.

    It's so he can point out that Harris never worked at one.

    That's it.

    You're muckin' with a G!

    Do not engage the Watermelons.
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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    At the end of the last thread, Taramoor asks what the purpose of Trump doing a common clay spot at McDonalds.

    It's so he can point out that Harris never worked at one.

    That's it.

    I think it's a narcissism thing though. What he's actually trying to say is "I can totally do that if I wanted to".

    Like he's 'thinking' that 30 minutes at a McDonalds will mean he can say he totally understands the working man.

    Or something, I don't know, it's exhausting to decode narcissism. There's a non-zero chance he falls hands first into a deep fryer trying to lift a chip basket.

    The narcissism is about him proving that he was right to say Harris never worked at a McDonald's.

    Paul Ryan 'scrubbing' clean pots and pans at a closed restaurant for a photo op is about trying to seem normal. (Right next to taking off the jacket and tie and rolling up the sleeves.) The things Trump says about the costs of groceries is more effective at making him look like he understands what people are struggling with. Hell, his general obsession with eating McDonald's does more work in that direction. This is almost literally about him trying to show her up personally. It's about him being all that is man superior.

    You're muckin' with a G!

    Do not engage the Watermelons.
  • yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    I would expect this thread to last until the 4th.

    Then a new one for the actual day of.
    I think we can expect more threads in the post Election Day chaos as well. I just want this shitty ride to end already.

    "I see everything twice!"


  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    Yeah, I've noticed that there's a surge of anti-trans ads in Michigan, both for Harris, and the local house rep.

    It's interesting that teens that transition into girls are referred to as 'men' instead of 'boys'. 'The Democrats want MEN to play along GIRLS' Apparently it's not testosterone that makes you a man, it's taking estrogen.

    I'll file this one alongside "it's gay for men to have sex with women", shall I?

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Can't easily quote the old thread at this point but
    Presidential! The most presidential he has ever been. Nobody has ever been this presidential. People are always saying he's the most presidential president that ever presided. Biden can't even presidential on the gold course as hard as him. SAD!!!!!
    Arguably what we know about things like LBJ talking about pants Trump talking about Arnold Palmer's dick might actually be presidential.
    He agrees with me, and tells me he asked ChatGPT how Trump is like Hitler, and it told him a bunch of stuff like "Pick external threat, obviously the people at the border, and a bunch of other stuff there are a lot of things"

    I probably spent 5 minutes with this guy, and you rarely if ever get a "you've changed my mind", but this guys was a life long R, and he is asking AI how Trump is Like Hitler. So some stuff is crossing the Fox-Brain barrier.
    So there was an article I read recently
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/study-conversations-with-ai-chatbots-can-reduce-belief-in-conspiracy-theories/
    Where basically chatbots are surprisingly effective at being able to convince people and reduce belief in conspiracy theories. Something to do with how chatbots sound authoritative, but have infinite patience and the persona they "speak" with that never gets irritated or condescening or whatever.

    Which is interesting, but also definitely double-edged given all the other problems with LLMs right now.

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Literally the only reason they are running the anti-trans ads is to scaremonger and hit an issue they think will rile people up because they have nothing to sell. It’s gross, transphobic as fuck, and all the candidates should call it out for the pathetic smokescreen it is.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    It hasn't worked in the past, like the Michigan GOP in 2022 blamed their loss here on the fact they ran more ads on trans people than inflation or the economy.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    The only person who ever beat Sherrod Brown, Bob Taft (of THE Tafts), endorsed him this morning.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the last thread because it does feel like we're going to get a bunch of news worthy bullshit the last 15 days before the election.

    Anyways, yes, the GOP is going all in on transphobia, seeing that shit getting blasted out in republican ads here in Virginia and I want to say given that I see stuff for Maryland because Spotsy is effectively an exhurb of DC now, probably also happening with Trump's stuff for Maryland, if any gets aired there. I know Hogan's people are trying to go all in on Alsobrook taking tax breaks she wasn't suppose to have taken, while trying to run fair away from what a piece of shit he is on all the important issues and that he would have probably pulled Youngkin's, the asshole republican governor of Virginia, if the Maryland legislature didn't keep telling him to get fucked with veto override and other legislation for times where he did use actual executive power to try to slide in vile republican policies. Hoping the voters there realize that the dude is actually pretty vile and he only seemed reasonable because he had a massive check on his ability to commit fuckery in the name of conservative bullshit. He'll just be one more asshole who could prevent a potential Harris administration from doing good things and one more rubber stamp for a potential second Trump term.

    Anyways on the trans stuff, not surprised really. Usually, when you get fascists organizations that go all in on bigotry, the first two groups they target are the trans community and the community of individuals with disabilities. We've already seen some ableist shit during this election, probably not seeing as much because the various disability communities aren't as visible as the trans community in various media reporting. GOP probably also believes they are an easier group to target so publicly because the trans community is much smaller, thus believing such actions will alienate far fewer voters. Dumb bet because anyone in any of the marginalized communities knows how this shit plays, if they let the bigots get away with persecuting one marginalized group, the bigots will come for them sooner or later. So better to tell the bigots to go eat shit because any attack on a marginalized group is an attack on all marginalized groups. Also the GOP has gone full in on toxic masculinity, and insecure macho men really don't like the trans community.

  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I'm a bit behind in the other thread, but I was wondering,

    Elon Musk is giving away a million dollars a day to any registered voter in Pennsylvania who signs his petition:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0OZqmPLv0o

    This seems to be skirting close enough to voter buying AND running an unlicenced Lottery that I'm suprised this is legal? The Excuse "Well, you don't have to vote Trump to get entered to win, you'll just have to sign that you will" seems...weak.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    Literally the only reason they are running the anti-trans ads is to scaremonger and hit an issue they think will rile people up because they have nothing to sell. It’s gross, transphobic as fuck, and all the candidates should call it out for the pathetic smokescreen it is.

    The reason they're running nonstop anti-trans ads is because Elon Musk gave them $150,000,000. If he didn't, then it'd just be wall to wall bigotry against immigrants instead.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
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    Democracy delivered.


    Once again going to complain about having two pages of judges on the ballot

  • wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    edited October 20
    Dibbit wrote: »
    I'm a bit behind in the other thread, but I was wondering,

    Elon Musk is giving away a million dollars a day to any registered voter in Pennsylvania who signs his petition:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0OZqmPLv0o

    This seems to be skirting close enough to voter buying AND running an unlicenced Lottery that I'm suprised this is legal? The Excuse "Well, you don't have to vote Trump to get entered to win, you'll just have to sign that you will" seems...weak.

    Doesn't matter if it's illegal. They're not going to throw musk in jail, I assume. And any fine to him is trivial. Basically if the punishment is a fine, might as well be legal for Musk. On top of the fact that the legal system has to actually turn its wheels and catch up to the act.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    I wish Biden wasn't Biden, because Elon not being from the US, and the powers SCOTUS has given him, he absolutely could do something do him

    But Biden was elected to Not Be That Guy

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Jesus the deluge of insane anti trans adds in Texas especially. Holy shit.

    Wisconsin as well. Did you know that Tammy Baldwin pays for sex changes for illegal immigrants AND wants biological men in women's shelters?

  • SoggybiscuitSoggybiscuit Tandem Electrostatic Accelerator Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Jesus the deluge of insane anti trans adds in Texas especially. Holy shit.

    Wisconsin as well. Did you know that Tammy Baldwin pays for sex changes for illegal immigrants AND wants biological men in women's shelters?

    Are they talking out of both sides of their mouths and also saying women’s shelters mean “the death of the Christian family”?

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Or how they are so worried that trans athletes will ruin women’s sports while doing everything they can to also eliminate title ix

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Jesus the deluge of insane anti trans adds in Texas especially. Holy shit.

    Wisconsin as well. Did you know that Tammy Baldwin pays for sex changes for illegal immigrants AND wants biological men in women's shelters?

    Almost exactly the same in Iowa

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Jesus the deluge of insane anti trans adds in Texas especially. Holy shit.

    Wisconsin as well. Did you know that Tammy Baldwin pays for sex changes for illegal immigrants AND wants biological men in women's shelters?

    Are they talking out of both sides of their mouths and also saying women’s shelters mean “the death of the Christian family”?

    Maybe. But it's likely more that there will be men in places meant to be safe for women. The constant refrain about how some guy will just declare themselves to be a woman so they can enter a women's restroom? Just some dude being a dangerous creep? And not somebody who is going through or has gone through a significant upheaval in their life, potentially lost contact with loved ones, spent years and years before, during, and after trying to come to terms with who they really are and now moving forward with their lives.

    Nah. It'll just be some creepy dude who wants to go after vulnerable women in a time of need.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    Jesus the deluge of insane anti trans adds in Texas especially. Holy shit.

    Wisconsin as well. Did you know that Tammy Baldwin pays for sex changes for illegal immigrants AND wants biological men in women's shelters?

    Almost exactly the same in Iowa

    Seems to be their closing message.

  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    If it makes anyone feel better, the Pennsylvania governor is called for state law enforcement to look into Elon's electioneering on Meet The Press this morning.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/pennsylvania-gov-shapiro-law-enforcement-take-look-elon-musk-voter-pay-rcna176279

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