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2024 US [Election] Thread: Election Day is this week

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    In random vibes stuff, Harris won the "kids pick the president" poll at Nickelodeon.

    A bit silly, but the winner has won the final election every year except 2004 and 2016.

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    Imma be honest.

    Those two years do not give me a lot of comfort

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    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
  • DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    I do take joy in knowing kids don’t like trump!

    I also bet dogs fucking hate him too

    Disrupter on
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  • ArchangleArchangle Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Hey, we still talking about the time an old man called political opponents garbage?

    77v3pbyvmr3o.jpeg

    Or the entire country?
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-us-garbage-world-latest-anti-immigrant/story?id=115149893

    "We're a dumping ground. We're like a -- we're like a garbage can for the world. That's what, that's what's happened to us. We're like a garbage can," Trump said at a rally in Tempe, Arizona, on Thursday.

    (Reminder: this shitheads grandpa was an immigrant)
    So was his mother and 2 of his wives. It's been noted multiple times that the only current member of the Trump family born to 2 natural-born US citizens is Tiffany.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    I do take joy in knowing kids don’t like trump!

    I also bet dogs fucking hate him too

    We know eagles do.

  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Hey, we still talking about the time an old man called political opponents garbage?

    77v3pbyvmr3o.jpeg

    Or the entire country?
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-us-garbage-world-latest-anti-immigrant/story?id=115149893

    "We're a dumping ground. We're like a -- we're like a garbage can for the world. That's what, that's what's happened to us. We're like a garbage can," Trump said at a rally in Tempe, Arizona, on Thursday.

    (Reminder: this shitheads grandpa was an immigrant)

    Illegal immigrant caused he lied about his status and country of origin.

  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Nah, there’s no better version of this campaign. All the momentum, all the money, all the endorsements, everything that could go right has.

    If this isn’t enough to win outright it’s time to start prepping for the worst or looking for softer places to land.

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  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    Gim wrote: »
    I look forward to never hearing "Nobody has done more for _________ than me" ever again.

    He has these go-to's that he uses every single time. The frequency of them wouldn't be so bad if they didn't just come off as so hollow and tossed off.

    "I do so much for them. I love them. They love me." It's demented in how kneejerk it is.

    Funny you mention that. I recently came to the realization that the big reason I'm nervous about the election is because I want Trump to go away. 9 fucking years of this asshole, and I don't think I can take another 4. While I'd like for him to suffer or be punished, I'm willing to settle for him rotting in his mansion for the rest of his days.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Trump's transition chair went full anti-vax on CNN because he talked to RFK about it. Doubt that'll get a mention tomorrow.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    You guys are way, way over-estimating how difficult it is to break a country the size of the U.S. If a Civil War isn't going to do it, this ain't. A decline and economic crash? Social instability? Riots? Very possibly.

    I don't think less of anyone trying to take care of their safety, or family, but cutting and leaving is simply not an option for most of us. I have an immigrant wife who's halfway through phase 1 of a I-130. Giving up on America entirely is exactly what these cowards want.

    manwiththemachinegun on
  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    Historically what seems to happen in these kinds of situations in richer countries is that there is large scale shittiness and human suffering until the dictator dies and then best case scenario democracy is restored and everyone remembers why it’s important to take government and civic duty seriously. Worst case some other asshole takes over.

    Its rare for a country to truly break up in modern times, and there aren’t any particular ethnic regional divides like there were in, say, the USSR to fracture upon.

    Its entirely possible to end up in a Cromwell situation where he rules for 5 or 10 years, dies, and then everyone says “hey lets never do this again, kay? But that isn’t a good outcome, because those years are going to be rough.

    Jealous Deva on
  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    I’m such an idiot. Was at the gym and it was just me and two other regulars and they were talking about how shit Harris was, how she’s as useless as tits on a bull. but for some reason I thought they were doing a both sides thing, cos I heard on of them say something negative about trump. So feeling chatty and good I kind of made a dig about trump too, saying he’s as useless as tits on a bull too

    I’m such a fucking idiot. One was passionately arguing with me, which is fair enough, he seemed genuine and was earnestly trying to get me to understand that covid was a plot, they’re killing babies, Hunter Biden’s laptop and the global cabals, do your research etc. I just started to get shaky and unwell and kept desperately arguing stupidly back at all the nonsense, not realising how upset I was gettinf

    When I realised it had gotten too heated, I started apologising, but the other quieter guy wouldn’t listen and wouldn’t hear it. He said look you had your lefty rant, you interrupted us, I’m calm, you’re the one being crazy, you need to calm down, calm down, calm down, calm down etc. I kept trying to apologise because he was absolutely right I did interrupt them, and he had every right to not accept my apology and keep telling me off, while the other one seemed to accept my apology and keep trying to convince me to do my research etc

    I feel so stupid and small. It made me feel like a stupid child. I was in the wrong and it just kind of broke me and as soon as they left I burst into tears, because I felt so stupid but also just it bled into every other insecurity I have about myself. And then I had to quickly try and leave without them seeing in the locker room, because I didn’t want staff to come up to me and ask why I was crying and then blame them, because I was at fault

    This whole thing has just frayed my already weak will, and I was planning to use the gym to ignore reality but now I have to try and avoid them because of something I did, because of how stupid and rude I was and how weak and pathetic the guy who rightly refused to accept my apology made me feel

    I want this fucking election to be over

    I’m in fucking Australia too so this isn’t even US

    A man who tells you democrats are killing children, covid being fake, and wants to tell you about hunter bidens laptop is not, ever, in the right.

    Just because he calmly told you "I am a horrible racist, with a deep and long held desire to kill minorities" using dogwhistles doesn't get him the moral high ground.

    You had no need to apologize, because you were angry at horrible racists being in your space at the gym. A polite nazi is still a nazi, and never deserving of your consideration or care.

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • asurasur Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Nah, there’s no better version of this campaign. All the momentum, all the money, all the endorsements, everything that could go right has.

    If this isn’t enough to win outright it’s time to start prepping for the worst or looking for softer places to land.

    I wish this wasn't true, but it's likely that being a woman is putting a drag on Harris just like it did for Hillary.

  • NitsuaNitsua South CarolinaRegistered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    Amateurs. If Trump truly knows the ins and outs of the job, he would have put himself in the rear of the trash truck with the rest of the waste.
    What ? No! Don't do that! Trump is the kind of toxic waste that must be disposed of carefully at a specialized facility and cannot be put with general waste.

    Nah, I’m pretty sure he’s just plain trash.

  • Who-PsydWho-Psyd Registered User regular
    The tone of the person speaking is not in and of itself an indication of anything.

    I could tell you about my breakfast angrily, sexy, or even make it spooky for the season. Still just a bowl of oatmeal.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Truly the worst part of a Trump presidency is being ground under the same boot as the leftwing. What A Travesty for you!

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Truly the worst part of a Trump presidency is being ground under the same boot as the leftwing. What A Travesty for you!

    This is why the comment is clearly framed as their personal emotive frustration, and not a genuine objective assessment of what will actually be the worst thing

    Prohass on
  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Who-Psyd wrote: »
    The tone of the person speaking is not in and of itself an indication of anything.

    I could tell you about my breakfast angrily, sexy, or even make it spooky for the season. Still just a bowl of oatmeal.

    ...this just reminded me, after years of not seeing any advertising, how god damn weird cereal commercials actually are.

    It's not just the cereal commercials, a fair number of commercials for other industries have gotten both weird and surreal. I swear it's not just political consultants that need to be put on an iceberg and sent out to sea, there are other industries where their consultants have a terminal case of coming across as some alien thing wearing a human's skin as an elaborate disguise.

  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Truly the worst part of a Trump presidency is being ground under the same boot as the leftwing. What A Travesty for you!

    Three notes.

    1) You seem to have missed the self deprecating wording that I used, eg “pettiest”, and subsequently misunderstood my post.
    2) The left wing != left wing non-voters
    3) It would be a ridiculous assumption to call myself the most progressive person on this forum, but I will say that I find it hard to imagine a single issue where I would be to the right of you.

  • wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    Man, I tried phonebanking for like 40 mins. Literally every single person was like please for the love of god stop calling me, so I stopped. Kind of a good sign I think?

  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Truly the worst part of a Trump presidency is being ground under the same boot as the leftwing. What A Travesty for you!

    This is why the comment is clearly framed as their personal emotive frustration, and not a genuine objective assessment of what will actually be the worst thing

    Ah, well if it's only bitching about having to interact with other people in the forums and not something actually election related then that's cool. Fuck those people who also post, god I'll be so happy when politics are over and I don't have to hear from them for 4 years!



    As an aside, yesterday YouTube put a reaction video in my feed titled "Classical Musician listens to System of a Down for the first time!" in which a middle aged woman listens to "Chop Suey" and gives her thoughts. Listens is maybe an exaggeration as she spends the runtime idly musing on the title of the song and whether the lyrics are supposed to be the pont of view of a chef or are they the vegetables he's chopping that are singing.

    And my god it's just about the dumbest thing that you could think of. And this woman not only taped herself saying it, but then posted herself being a moron online for all to see. And it made me angry! Because I thought, "Man this has to be fake. It's just trying to get clicks from people who pass the video around because of how unbelievably stupid it is. No one could possibly set out to make themselves into a public jackass like that on accident, right?"

    But man, @Cantide helpfully reminded me that people will happily put their name to just the most brain dead takes possible for literally no gain whatsoever. Like and subscribe, y'all

  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    That actually sounds kinda fun! Got a link?

  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Cantide wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Truly the worst part of a Trump presidency is being ground under the same boot as the leftwing. What A Travesty for you!

    Three notes.

    1) You seem to have missed the self deprecating wording that I used, eg “pettiest”, and subsequently misunderstood my post.
    2) The left wing != left wing non-voters
    3) It would be a ridiculous assumption to call myself the most progressive person on this forum, but I will say that I find it hard to imagine a single issue where I would be to the right of you.

    1) Guys let me air my grievances, but don't hate I'm being self-deprecating. Like I get it, but also I feel like taking flak for "Don't hate me, but..." isn't exactly uncalled for. You don't want hate, don't say it

    2) How many leftwing non-voters do you know? Where and why do you talk to them? In the context of this thread in this forum "non-voters" really reads like an attempt to hide "leftwing" in a dog whistle. No no, not the left-wingers here. The *other* left-wingers. The *bad* ones.

    3) I mean if we're standing on the same ideological ground we probably have several reasons why "She should have run a better campaign" is valid. Starting with maybe run a campaign based on left wing values across the board instead of tiny American flags for some, conservative flavored centrism policy for others

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    republicans are trotting out brett favre to say they are not garbage

    you might remember him because he stole from a mississippi welfare fund and is in fact garbage

    Jars on
  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Cantide wrote: »
    That actually sounds kinda fun! Got a link?

    Well now this is absolutely veering into mutual self harm

    https://youtu.be/ceWqQHyiWCc?si=IUYxodegGdFpmVtv

    Unsurprisingly her "Killing in the Name" RATM reaction is also quite cringe

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    asur wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Nah, there’s no better version of this campaign. All the momentum, all the money, all the endorsements, everything that could go right has.

    If this isn’t enough to win outright it’s time to start prepping for the worst or looking for softer places to land.

    I wish this wasn't true, but it's likely that being a woman is putting a drag on Harris just like it did for Hillary.

    In the alternate universe where Biden chose Pete Buttigieg as his VP and did the same hand-off, I wonder if he just runs away with it.

  • asurasur Registered User regular
    asur wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Nah, there’s no better version of this campaign. All the momentum, all the money, all the endorsements, everything that could go right has.

    If this isn’t enough to win outright it’s time to start prepping for the worst or looking for softer places to land.

    I wish this wasn't true, but it's likely that being a woman is putting a drag on Harris just like it did for Hillary.

    In the alternate universe where Biden chose Pete Buttigieg as his VP and did the same hand-off, I wonder if he just runs away with it.

    I'm almost certain that he does. Same with Biden running for round 2 in the magical world where he's without his age issues.

  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Y'all

    Sarah McBride is gonna be the first trans member of Congress.

    and I am *ridiculously* excited by this prospect

  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    republicans are trotting out brett favre to say they are not garbage

    you might remember him because he stole from a mississippi welfare fund and is in fact garbage

    That's not fair, you might also remember him from his sexual harassment cases filed by team masseuses.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    republicans are trotting out brett favre to say they are not garbage

    you might remember him because he stole from a mississippi welfare fund and is in fact garbage

    That's not fair, you might also remember him from his sexual harassment cases filed by team masseuses.

    didn't he also play a sport

    I think maybe baseball?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Baseball's not a real sport

  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Truly the worst part of a Trump presidency is being ground under the same boot as the leftwing. What A Travesty for you!

    Three notes.

    1) You seem to have missed the self deprecating wording that I used, eg “pettiest”, and subsequently misunderstood my post.
    2) The left wing != left wing non-voters
    3) It would be a ridiculous assumption to call myself the most progressive person on this forum, but I will say that I find it hard to imagine a single issue where I would be to the right of you.

    1) Guys let me air my grievances, but don't hate I'm being self-deprecating. Like I get it, but also I feel like taking flak for "Don't hate me, but..." isn't exactly uncalled for. You don't want hate, don't say it

    2) How many leftwing non-voters do you know? Where and why do you talk to them? In the context of this thread in this forum "non-voters" really reads like an attempt to hide "leftwing" in a dog whistle. No no, not the left-wingers here. The *other* left-wingers. The *bad* ones.

    3) I mean if we're standing on the same ideological ground we probably have several reasons why "She should have run a better campaign" is valid. Starting with maybe run a campaign based on left wing values across the board instead of tiny American flags for some, conservative flavored centrism policy for others

    I… worry that these are not good faith statements, just attempts to provoke, but I’m in a good mood and happy to have a conversation, so sure, let’s give this a try!

    1) I think there’s a difference between taking a moment to vent a personal frustration that I imagine I’m not alone in feeling (while acknowledging that it’s not a deep or noteworthy one), and a direct personal attack that makes several bad assumptions about my character, like that I have a problem with the left wing, or that I really do consider this the worst possible consequence of Trump.

    2) I used left wing to distinguish from the general non voting population. In other words, people who hold the same political ideals as myself but have still decided not to vote. At no point was this meant to be a dog whistle or a secret attack on any person or persons here.

    3) I don’t want to drag this thread into the same old arguments, so I’m just going to say that elections are ultimately popularity contests, not divine trials where the objectively better candidate is granted victory. Good policies and popular policies are not always the same thing - largely due to the scare tactics of right wing media. I wish that Kamala would embrace more progressive stances and hope that she will take the opportunity over the next four years, but I’m also sadly aware that it won’t matter if she loses, and right now her campaign’s priority is to be the most popular candidate, not the most correct candidate. That doesn’t mean I like any of the concessions she’s made - I really really don’t - but it does mean that they don’t stop me from supporting her.


  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    republicans are trotting out brett favre to say they are not garbage

    you might remember him because he stole from a mississippi welfare fund and is in fact garbage

    That's not fair, you might also remember him from his sexual harassment cases filed by team masseuses.

    well since we're doing the greatest hits you might also remember him from his infidelity with a sideline reporter while married

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    Baseball's not a real sport
    It is more of a sport than bowling.

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    Cantide wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”

    Truly the worst part of a Trump presidency is being ground under the same boot as the leftwing. What A Travesty for you!

    Three notes.

    1) You seem to have missed the self deprecating wording that I used, eg “pettiest”, and subsequently misunderstood my post.
    2) The left wing != left wing non-voters
    3) It would be a ridiculous assumption to call myself the most progressive person on this forum, but I will say that I find it hard to imagine a single issue where I would be to the right of you.

    1) Guys let me air my grievances, but don't hate I'm being self-deprecating. Like I get it, but also I feel like taking flak for "Don't hate me, but..." isn't exactly uncalled for. You don't want hate, don't say it

    2) How many leftwing non-voters do you know? Where and why do you talk to them? In the context of this thread in this forum "non-voters" really reads like an attempt to hide "leftwing" in a dog whistle. No no, not the left-wingers here. The *other* left-wingers. The *bad* ones.

    3) I mean if we're standing on the same ideological ground we probably have several reasons why "She should have run a better campaign" is valid. Starting with maybe run a campaign based on left wing values across the board instead of tiny American flags for some, conservative flavored centrism policy for others

    I… worry that these are not good faith statements, just attempts to provoke, but I’m in a good mood and happy to have a conversation, so sure, let’s give this a try!

    IMO your first post was a bit goosey and provocative as well, so you should probably just let it go and be glad that others are also taking it "in good humor".

    Commander Zoom on
  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Baseball's not a real sport
    It is more of a sport than bowling.

    This is fair but also fighting words

    @Cantide I have been reminded I have a post timer that locks me out so I will actually just forgo the conversation. My final thought is that if your statement truly reflects on "left-wing non-voters" that doesn't actually indicate anyone who posts here

    1) My bad, I misjudged! You sound a lot like the people who agreed/awesomed your post who absolutely think you're talking about people on this forum, and that led me to my conclusion

    2) I can totally get needing to vent about people who should be your allies but actually just annoy the shit out of you

    2a) there should be more to 2 but after several attempts to say something more meaningful, I'm stuck on just how truthful the statement already is. Venting about false friends is something I am in agreement with. Fuck the people who claim to be your allies and then fail to deliver. Fuck 'em

  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    2a) there should be more to 2 but after several attempts to say something more meaningful, I'm stuck on just how truthful the statement already is. Venting about false friends is something I am in agreement with. Fuck the people who claim to be your allies and then fail to deliver. Fuck 'em

    I specifically called out of work Monday to avoid my "left wing" (his claim, not mine) coworker who voted third party in 2016 and 2020 but was talking earlier in the month about maybe voting for Trump to send Democrats a message.

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