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2024 US [Election] Thread: Election Day is this week

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  • HandkorHandkor Registered User regular
    I really don't get the strategy with the garbage truck. All the news was focusing on the Madison Square Garden garbage joke, then Biden manages to flip the headlines not even a news cycle later, heck even 24h, Trump pulls this garbage truck stunt which shifts the focus back to him. I know Trump always wants all the attention but it's the final week, let things breathe.

    At this point I'm expecting a scandal a day and by election day we won't even remember what happened that morning.

    Also high visibility vest and orange skin is a big fashion no no. Even the vest is bad for any photo ops, it throws off any lighting.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    If we are talking which campaign is favored now, probably the one that doesn't have people leaking that their internals are awful:
    Republican strategist Margaret Hoover said Republicans have told her that campaign aides for former President Donald Trump have “concern” over internal polling.

    Trump is locked in a tight race with Vice President Kamala Harris, as polls show the two virtually tied in several key swing states. On Wednesday’s edition of The Source on CNN, host Kaitlan Collins asked the veteran of two Republican presidential campaigns what data she would be paying attention to.
    "I think if you’re the Trump campaign, you’re not looking at CNN’s numbers. You’re looking at your own internal, and I honestly think, I think their internals are actually giving them pause because I think they’re seeing even more– look, they do have a lot of resources for polling more than public media companies have. And they’re probably seeing the same things that you guys are talking about, which is that there’s real groundswell in the early vote. There’s real enthusiasm, which is hard to measure.

    I have heard from Republicans that there is concern at the Trump campaign amongst the operatives that actually really do know the political wherewithal, the turnout and enthusiasm numbers aren’t where they need to be."

    Have to play for keeps anyways, but things are looking grim over there.

    EDIT: And Charlie Kirk, the man co-running Trump's GOTV effort with Elon, had this to say:
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1851717440998453751
    Early vote has been disproportionately female.

    If men stay at home, Kamala is president. It’s that simple.

    If you want a vision of the future if you don't vote, imagine Kamala's voice cackling, forever.

    Men need to GO VOTE NOW.

    lol. LOL. lmao.

    I’ve only been paying close attention to NC, but the numbers are wierd, and I can see an argument for a Trump win, as Republicans are way up in turnout in early vote from 2020 (probably due to the party encouraging EV), but women are beating men in turnout by 11%(!).

  • R-demR-dem Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Orthogonal to the election:

    The Invisible Civil War: A Polarized Mobile Electorate

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/upshot/voters-moving-polarization.html


    TL;DR: - Americans are choosing to move to places that already support their politics in astonishing numbers across both parties (but especially Republicans).

    Findings of note:
    - Conservatives are moving into empty and undeveloped states like Wyoming and the Dakotas by ratios as high as 8:1, with lower but still highly disparate numbers in the more impoverished Southern states
    - Except for Georgia, where liberals are drawn to the diversity and abundance of white-collar jobs
    - The state with the greatest exodus of conservatives was, unsurprisingly, California, with them sending their disgruntled republicans to states like Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
    - If Harris loses Arizona, it may simply be on numbers. Since the last election, more republicans have moved into the state than Biden’s margin of victory in 2020.
    - The West Coast, the Great Lakes, and the Northeast are all becoming more blue. The Mountains, the lower Midwest, and the South are turning redder.

    The California conservative refugees are hilarious. I was at a mom and pop gas station in a small town in Wyoming a few years back, and this guy was just trauma-dumping to the cashier about having to flee CA.
    Him: “The danged liberals ran me out of California! Or, as I like to call it…”
    He then paused, looked around meaningfully, his mouth moving as if he was just chewing on the meat of the insult of he was about to drop.
    Me, to myself: “He’s going to say Commiefornia.”
    Him, pronouncing it as if he was a bard who just nat 20’d his Perform check: “…Commiefornia!
    Me, nodding to myself in satisfaction that the script was properly followed.

    No but for real though Utahns hate the California conservative exodus because it had a non-negligible hand in causing our housing prices to skyrocket ridiculously over the past four years.

  • GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    Pete is a weird case because I've pointed out he made the smart point of that no matter what you run on the Republicans are going to say you're a socialist, and then had no interesting policy positions to run on when he was in the primary. I do think he has made some good moves as the Secretary of Transportation especially in regards to airports.

    To me he still doesn't have charisma or an exciting plan that is going to get people motivated to go out and vote.

    Yeah, had the democratic party picked Manchin, thank god he didn't have a chance in hell. It's guaranteed that the GOP would be screaming about him being the most radical liberal candidate that ever libbed. It's gotten to the point that when prominent republicans word vomit out communist, liberal, progressive and socialist, they've effectively said nothing because those fuckers don't really understand what those words mean.

    You forgot Marxist.

    I'd love if when Trump calls Harris that, just once, a reporter would ask "What's Marxism, and how does it apply to Harris?", and get an honest answer. (yeah yeah, Trump and honesty)

    Also, Trump loves calling her a fascist too.

    "Can you explain how she can be a Marxist and a fascist?"

    It's 80's buzzword shit.

    https://youtu.be/EvPMXqONe0Q?si=uMJLoTqboJzxGARy
    Yeah they may as well say 'great satan'/'adversary'

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Handkor wrote: »
    I really don't get the strategy with the garbage truck. All the news was focusing on the Madison Square Garden garbage joke, then Biden manages to flip the headlines not even a news cycle later, heck even 24h, Trump pulls this garbage truck stunt which shifts the focus back to him. I know Trump always wants all the attention but it's the final week, let things breathe.

    At this point I'm expecting a scandal a day and by election day we won't even remember what happened that morning.

    Also high visibility vest and orange skin is a big fashion no no. Even the vest is bad for any photo ops, it throws off any lighting.

    Got A1 headline in the Times, unlike Johnson's promise to kill ACA. That's why.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I’m on my way now to vote early.

    Switch: SW-7690-2320-9238Steam/PSN/Xbox: Drezdar
  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Today in good news bad news
    https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/10/28/2024-elections-live-coverage-updates-analysis/aarp-survey-00185978

    A new NAACP survey found Republican Donald Trump’s support among young Black men has dwindled with a little more than a week to go before Election Day.

    27>21. Harris went up to 59 from 51.

    However overall (men and women of all age groups) she's at 73%. Biden got 90. But she's up 10 in the last month.

    I don’t think even Biden would’ve gotten 90 again, fundamentally he got a lot of wind in his sails from running against an incumbent trump who had so thoroughly fucked the country with covid and so the threat and stakes were much more vivid in voters minds . I think a lot of that missing percent will still break for Harris, definitely not 90, but I would be shocked if the actual vote number comes to anything less than 75-80%

    75-80 would lose a lot of votes from the 2020 margins.

    She probably does 85% or better by the time the votes are counted. She's doing much better with white women than Biden was.

  • McRhynoMcRhyno Registered User regular
    +1 in NYC
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    I really wish democracy wasn't fucking trick or treat


    PSN: ImRyanBurgundy
  • McRhynoMcRhyno Registered User regular
    Also, a woman voting near me had their baby in costume:

    kmuech3eqwua.jpg

    PSN: ImRyanBurgundy
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    From what I can tell from a coworker who has black relatives that voted Trump, they identified more with 'rich upper class' more than 'african american'.

    I'm wondering if it also applies to other Trump voting minorities.
    most definitely so

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Okay wait a second I actually did not totally process that Elon Musk canvassing operation article I posted earlier because there's one very important aspect of it:
    The contract these door knockers signed with Blitz Canvassing, which is a subcontractor of Musk’s America PAC, says they are “expected to maintain a 17-22% engagement rate during the campaign,” which is a high target relative to the number of people who typically open their door for a stranger. A group of out-of-state America PAC canvassers were told during a recent team meeting that if they didn’t hit their targets, which the door knocker says were more than 1,000 a week on total doors knocked, the organization would stop paying for their motel rooms.

    “What’s gonna happen is, they’re gonna stop paying for these rooms,” a manager told the door knockers in an audio recording obtained by WIRED. “And then you’re gonna end up having to pay for it yourself. You can’t do that with no money.” The door knocker also alleges that they were told that they will have to pay for their own flight home.

    I read that quick and I was like oh they're saying if they don't do this they'll be ending the whole operation that's wild

    But no! That's... probably human trafficking? They brought canvassers to Michigan and paid for lodging there and are threatening to strand them homeless in a different state unless they worked harder.

    I've just been doing normal-style canvassing for so long where like people actually want to be there and want you to be there that I missed some of how awful this was!

    We're all in this together
  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    It’s the McDonald’s photo op all over again

    I can tell you that it was still a pretty big win for him. I saw images of him posted all over the place... In a positive light. Like someone said above if Trump wins then we fucking deserve the mess.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    DoctorArch wrote: »
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    God help us if we elect this literal clown.

    Can we just take a moment to note how trump's spray on tan is so hideous in this picture that it borders on a half-assed attempt at blackface?

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    evilthecat wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Cantide wrote: »
    The awful consequences of a second Trump presidency are too many to count, let alone dwell on, but right now, in this particular moment before the potential storm, I think the one that’s bothering me the most is also the pettiest: having to hear all the leftwing non-voters say “it’s not MY fault he won, sHe ShOuLd HaVe RuN a BeTtEr CaMpAiGn”
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    Nah, there’s no better version of this campaign. All the momentum, all the money, all the endorsements, everything that could go right has.

    If this isn’t enough to win outright it’s time to start prepping for the worst or looking for softer places to land.

    And even if the Harris campaign isn't perfect, I have no idea what they could be doing better given that Trump has gone full mask off Nazi and 40%+ of the voters just don't care, or worse, think it's awesome.

    listening to call in shows in the US, a lot of people just aren't aware of the shit Trump says or does.
    The media landscape is incredibly curated; you land in an echo chamber and the bad press will never reach your eyes.

    This isn't something that Harris' campaign can fix, imo.
    The Americans have utterly fucked their education and information systems, this is going to be a problem for a while.

    The internet and social media and the like are slowly destroying democratic systems and it's so far only getting worse with each new election. And there's no sign of a way to stop it.

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    If we are talking which campaign is favored now, probably the one that doesn't have people leaking that their internals are awful:
    Republican strategist Margaret Hoover said Republicans have told her that campaign aides for former President Donald Trump have “concern” over internal polling.

    Trump is locked in a tight race with Vice President Kamala Harris, as polls show the two virtually tied in several key swing states. On Wednesday’s edition of The Source on CNN, host Kaitlan Collins asked the veteran of two Republican presidential campaigns what data she would be paying attention to.
    "I think if you’re the Trump campaign, you’re not looking at CNN’s numbers. You’re looking at your own internal, and I honestly think, I think their internals are actually giving them pause because I think they’re seeing even more– look, they do have a lot of resources for polling more than public media companies have. And they’re probably seeing the same things that you guys are talking about, which is that there’s real groundswell in the early vote. There’s real enthusiasm, which is hard to measure.

    I have heard from Republicans that there is concern at the Trump campaign amongst the operatives that actually really do know the political wherewithal, the turnout and enthusiasm numbers aren’t where they need to be."

    Have to play for keeps anyways, but things are looking grim over there.

    EDIT: And Charlie Kirk, the man co-running Trump's GOTV effort with Elon, had this to say:
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1851717440998453751
    Early vote has been disproportionately female.

    If men stay at home, Kamala is president. It’s that simple.

    If you want a vision of the future if you don't vote, imagine Kamala's voice cackling, forever.

    Men need to GO VOTE NOW.

    lol. LOL. lmao.

    I’ve only been paying close attention to NC, but the numbers are wierd, and I can see an argument for a Trump win, as Republicans are way up in turnout in early vote from 2020 (probably due to the party encouraging EV), but women are beating men in turnout by 11%(!).

    Again, just saying Republicans are voting isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    One, it probably means less of them voting on Tuesday.
    Two, the effort by Harris trying to win over disaffected Rs means that we have no fucking clue how these people are voting.
    Three, NC has Mark Robinson on the ballot, and who knows what effect that will have on Trump.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    2a) there should be more to 2 but after several attempts to say something more meaningful, I'm stuck on just how truthful the statement already is. Venting about false friends is something I am in agreement with. Fuck the people who claim to be your allies and then fail to deliver. Fuck 'em

    I specifically called out of work Monday to avoid my "left wing" (his claim, not mine) coworker who voted third party in 2016 and 2020 but was talking earlier in the month about maybe voting for Trump to send Democrats a message.

    That message being "I'm a fucking idiot who should be ignored because I'm completely unthethered from reality?"

    Because yeah: you can not claim to be left or liberal or in any way rational when you are voting in support of a man who is a shitty mustache and crappy military career away from being literal hitler.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    From what I can tell from a coworker who has black relatives that voted Trump, they identified more with 'rich upper class' more than 'african american'.

    I'm wondering if it also applies to other Trump voting minorities.

    A lot of the comments you see from black people who are at least Trump curious in focus groups and the like are the same shit you see from other similar non-black people.

    "Trump's good for the economy."
    "We need someone who's not just another politician."
    "Women are too emotional, you can't put them in charge."
    "Trump's a smart businessman."
    "Trump is a man's man."
    etc
    etc
    etc

  • AbbalahAbbalah Registered User regular
    Handkor wrote: »
    I really don't get the strategy with the garbage truck. All the news was focusing on the Madison Square Garden garbage joke, then Biden manages to flip the headlines not even a news cycle later, heck even 24h, Trump pulls this garbage truck stunt which shifts the focus back to him. I know Trump always wants all the attention but it's the final week, let things breathe.

    At this point I'm expecting a scandal a day and by election day we won't even remember what happened that morning.

    Also high visibility vest and orange skin is a big fashion no no. Even the vest is bad for any photo ops, it throws off any lighting.

    If I had more respect for the competence of his campaign people I’d say it looks like an SEO thing aimed at making sure that when people google ‘trump garbage comment’ they get a bunch of stories about a photo op in a garbage truck and the stories about all the racist stuff at his neonazi rally get pushed to page 2 of the search results.

    But as-is it’s just as likely to be something he insisted on doing just because he wanted to sit in a big truck again because he’s a four year old whose brain is mostly plaque now

  • jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Abbalah wrote: »
    Handkor wrote: »
    I really don't get the strategy with the garbage truck. All the news was focusing on the Madison Square Garden garbage joke, then Biden manages to flip the headlines not even a news cycle later, heck even 24h, Trump pulls this garbage truck stunt which shifts the focus back to him. I know Trump always wants all the attention but it's the final week, let things breathe.

    At this point I'm expecting a scandal a day and by election day we won't even remember what happened that morning.

    Also high visibility vest and orange skin is a big fashion no no. Even the vest is bad for any photo ops, it throws off any lighting.

    If I had more respect for the competence of his campaign people I’d say it looks like an SEO thing aimed at making sure that when people google ‘trump garbage comment’ they get a bunch of stories about a photo op in a garbage truck and the stories about all the racist stuff at his neonazi rally get pushed to page 2 of the search results.

    But as-is it’s just as likely to be something he insisted on doing just because he wanted to sit in a big truck again because he’s a four year old whose brain is mostly plaque now

    I think it’s steering into the racism. He’s the garbage man taking out all the garbage.

    Remember, to his ardent supporters nothing that was said at MSG Nazi Rally v2.0 was problematic.

  • CornucopiistCornucopiist Registered User regular
    R-dem wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Orthogonal to the election:

    The Invisible Civil War: A Polarized Mobile Electorate

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/upshot/voters-moving-polarization.html


    TL;DR: - Americans are choosing to move to places that already support their politics in astonishing numbers across both parties (but especially Republicans).

    Findings of note:
    - Conservatives are moving into empty and undeveloped states like Wyoming and the Dakotas by ratios as high as 8:1, with lower but still highly disparate numbers in the more impoverished Southern states
    - Except for Georgia, where liberals are drawn to the diversity and abundance of white-collar jobs
    - The state with the greatest exodus of conservatives was, unsurprisingly, California, with them sending their disgruntled republicans to states like Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
    - If Harris loses Arizona, it may simply be on numbers. Since the last election, more republicans have moved into the state than Biden’s margin of victory in 2020.
    - The West Coast, the Great Lakes, and the Northeast are all becoming more blue. The Mountains, the lower Midwest, and the South are turning redder.

    The California conservative refugees are hilarious. I was at a mom and pop gas station in a small town in Wyoming a few years back, and this guy was just trauma-dumping to the cashier about having to flee CA.
    Him: “The danged liberals ran me out of California! Or, as I like to call it…”
    He then paused, looked around meaningfully, his mouth moving as if he was just chewing on the meat of the insult of he was about to drop.
    Me, to myself: “He’s going to say Commiefornia.”
    Him, pronouncing it as if he was a bard who just nat 20’d his Perform check: “…Commiefornia!
    Me, nodding to myself in satisfaction that the script was properly followed.

    No but for real though Utahns hate the California conservative exodus because it had a non-negligible hand in causing our housing prices to skyrocket ridiculously over the past four years.

    Having lots of colleagues who experienced the totalitarianism of Yugoslavia and the Warsaw Pact first-hand, this just weirds me out.
    I get why people would flee places where their existence is being threatened by the MAGA crowd.
    But you're not a 'refugee' if you're moving to a place where you'll be allowed to threaten people's existence.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    From what I can tell from a coworker who has black relatives that voted Trump, they identified more with 'rich upper class' more than 'african american'.

    I'm wondering if it also applies to other Trump voting minorities.

    Gay black Republicans are as rare as dragons and twice as rich

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
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    Handkor wrote: »
    I really don't get the strategy with the garbage truck. All the news was focusing on the Madison Square Garden garbage joke, then Biden manages to flip the headlines not even a news cycle later, heck even 24h, Trump pulls this garbage truck stunt which shifts the focus back to him. I know Trump always wants all the attention but it's the final week, let things breathe.

    At this point I'm expecting a scandal a day and by election day we won't even remember what happened that morning.

    Also high visibility vest and orange skin is a big fashion no no. Even the vest is bad for any photo ops, it throws off any lighting.

    It's honestly even simpler then that.

    Trump can never, ever let shit go. He always responds to any slight, insult, challenge or allegation because he's so desperately insecure that the idea that anyone describe him as "lesser" drives him insane.

    Like we saw the same thing 8 years and change where the news cycle had turned against hillary and instead of sitting back and letting her deal with the scandal (I think it was the first round of Comey investigations?) Trump instead responded to a legiitmate complaint about his platform and thus sucked oxygen out of her scandal and towards his.

    Fuck, the man was sending pictures of his hands for years because he'd been accused of being a short fingered vulgarian by some magazine writer.

  • GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    @durandal4532

    If I want to volunteer on Sunday should I look for a particular organization to contact?

    I tried googling "my state Democrats volunteer" and got so many organizations.

    I am worried about being catfished politically.

  • ThegreatcowThegreatcow Lord of All Bacons Washington State - It's Wet up here innit? Registered User regular
    R-dem wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Orthogonal to the election:

    The Invisible Civil War: A Polarized Mobile Electorate

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/upshot/voters-moving-polarization.html


    TL;DR: - Americans are choosing to move to places that already support their politics in astonishing numbers across both parties (but especially Republicans).

    Findings of note:
    - Conservatives are moving into empty and undeveloped states like Wyoming and the Dakotas by ratios as high as 8:1, with lower but still highly disparate numbers in the more impoverished Southern states
    - Except for Georgia, where liberals are drawn to the diversity and abundance of white-collar jobs
    - The state with the greatest exodus of conservatives was, unsurprisingly, California, with them sending their disgruntled republicans to states like Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
    - If Harris loses Arizona, it may simply be on numbers. Since the last election, more republicans have moved into the state than Biden’s margin of victory in 2020.
    - The West Coast, the Great Lakes, and the Northeast are all becoming more blue. The Mountains, the lower Midwest, and the South are turning redder.

    The California conservative refugees are hilarious. I was at a mom and pop gas station in a small town in Wyoming a few years back, and this guy was just trauma-dumping to the cashier about having to flee CA.
    Him: “The danged liberals ran me out of California! Or, as I like to call it…”
    He then paused, looked around meaningfully, his mouth moving as if he was just chewing on the meat of the insult of he was about to drop.
    Me, to myself: “He’s going to say Commiefornia.”
    Him, pronouncing it as if he was a bard who just nat 20’d his Perform check: “…Commiefornia!
    Me, nodding to myself in satisfaction that the script was properly followed.

    No but for real though Utahns hate the California conservative exodus because it had a non-negligible hand in causing our housing prices to skyrocket ridiculously over the past four years.

    Having lots of colleagues who experienced the totalitarianism of Yugoslavia and the Warsaw Pact first-hand, this just weirds me out.
    I get why people would flee places where their existence is being threatened by the MAGA crowd.
    But you're not a 'refugee' if you're moving to a place where you'll be allowed to threaten people's existence.

    For real. My parents fuckin' fled the former Yugoslavia because my dad was imprisoned as a suspected spy after coming back from University here in the United States because, and I quote my dad's explanation "They could not understand why was I paid (read: He got a Full-Ride Scholarship to come here) to go to University and still come back to Yugoslavia. Thus I must be a Spy for the United States!" Thankfully he was eventually released but that was the impetus for both my mom and dad to get the fuck out of dodge and never return until Yugoslavia finally broke up into the various republics. These fuckos have no earthly idea what they're gibbering about. Like yes, California is a high cost of living state and does lean progressive, but ffs at least be honest about your reasons.

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »

    Fuck, the man was sending pictures of his hands for years because he'd been accused of being a short fingered vulgarian by some magazine writer.

    Never thought to try to be less vulgar, though

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    Ordinarily I pay no mind to the WSJ Editorial Board. But today's headline made me laugh, and also made me feel validated for the vote I cast in September:

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    R-dem wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Orthogonal to the election:

    The Invisible Civil War: A Polarized Mobile Electorate

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/upshot/voters-moving-polarization.html


    TL;DR: - Americans are choosing to move to places that already support their politics in astonishing numbers across both parties (but especially Republicans).

    Findings of note:
    - Conservatives are moving into empty and undeveloped states like Wyoming and the Dakotas by ratios as high as 8:1, with lower but still highly disparate numbers in the more impoverished Southern states
    - Except for Georgia, where liberals are drawn to the diversity and abundance of white-collar jobs
    - The state with the greatest exodus of conservatives was, unsurprisingly, California, with them sending their disgruntled republicans to states like Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
    - If Harris loses Arizona, it may simply be on numbers. Since the last election, more republicans have moved into the state than Biden’s margin of victory in 2020.
    - The West Coast, the Great Lakes, and the Northeast are all becoming more blue. The Mountains, the lower Midwest, and the South are turning redder.

    The California conservative refugees are hilarious. I was at a mom and pop gas station in a small town in Wyoming a few years back, and this guy was just trauma-dumping to the cashier about having to flee CA.
    Him: “The danged liberals ran me out of California! Or, as I like to call it…”
    He then paused, looked around meaningfully, his mouth moving as if he was just chewing on the meat of the insult of he was about to drop.
    Me, to myself: “He’s going to say Commiefornia.”
    Him, pronouncing it as if he was a bard who just nat 20’d his Perform check: “…Commiefornia!
    Me, nodding to myself in satisfaction that the script was properly followed.

    No but for real though Utahns hate the California conservative exodus because it had a non-negligible hand in causing our housing prices to skyrocket ridiculously over the past four years.

    Having lots of colleagues who experienced the totalitarianism of Yugoslavia and the Warsaw Pact first-hand, this just weirds me out.
    I get why people would flee places where their existence is being threatened by the MAGA crowd.
    But you're not a 'refugee' if you're moving to a place where you'll be allowed to threaten people's existence.

    Do remember that "moving to a place where you'll be allowed to threaten people's existence" is in a very literal way part of the the American origin story, with the Puritans fleeing across the sea so they could continue their abusive Calvinist beliefs.

    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum / Steam: noxaeternum
  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    2a) there should be more to 2 but after several attempts to say something more meaningful, I'm stuck on just how truthful the statement already is. Venting about false friends is something I am in agreement with. Fuck the people who claim to be your allies and then fail to deliver. Fuck 'em

    I specifically called out of work Monday to avoid my "left wing" (his claim, not mine) coworker who voted third party in 2016 and 2020 but was talking earlier in the month about maybe voting for Trump to send Democrats a message.

    That message being "I'm a fucking idiot who should be ignored because I'm completely unthethered from reality?"

    Because yeah: you can not claim to be left or liberal or in any way rational when you are voting in support of a man who is a shitty mustache and crappy military career away from being literal hitler.

    That dude ain't left wing he's just a fucking liar.

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    R-dem wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Orthogonal to the election:

    The Invisible Civil War: A Polarized Mobile Electorate

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/upshot/voters-moving-polarization.html


    TL;DR: - Americans are choosing to move to places that already support their politics in astonishing numbers across both parties (but especially Republicans).

    Findings of note:
    - Conservatives are moving into empty and undeveloped states like Wyoming and the Dakotas by ratios as high as 8:1, with lower but still highly disparate numbers in the more impoverished Southern states
    - Except for Georgia, where liberals are drawn to the diversity and abundance of white-collar jobs
    - The state with the greatest exodus of conservatives was, unsurprisingly, California, with them sending their disgruntled republicans to states like Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
    - If Harris loses Arizona, it may simply be on numbers. Since the last election, more republicans have moved into the state than Biden’s margin of victory in 2020.
    - The West Coast, the Great Lakes, and the Northeast are all becoming more blue. The Mountains, the lower Midwest, and the South are turning redder.

    The California conservative refugees are hilarious. I was at a mom and pop gas station in a small town in Wyoming a few years back, and this guy was just trauma-dumping to the cashier about having to flee CA.
    Him: “The danged liberals ran me out of California! Or, as I like to call it…”
    He then paused, looked around meaningfully, his mouth moving as if he was just chewing on the meat of the insult of he was about to drop.
    Me, to myself: “He’s going to say Commiefornia.”
    Him, pronouncing it as if he was a bard who just nat 20’d his Perform check: “…Commiefornia!
    Me, nodding to myself in satisfaction that the script was properly followed.

    No but for real though Utahns hate the California conservative exodus because it had a non-negligible hand in causing our housing prices to skyrocket ridiculously over the past four years.

    Having lots of colleagues who experienced the totalitarianism of Yugoslavia and the Warsaw Pact first-hand, this just weirds me out.
    I get why people would flee places where their existence is being threatened by the MAGA crowd.
    But you're not a 'refugee' if you're moving to a place where you'll be allowed to threaten people's existence.

    For real. My parents fuckin' fled the former Yugoslavia because my dad was imprisoned as a suspected spy after coming back from University here in the United States because, and I quote my dad's explanation "They could not understand why was I paid (read: He got a Full-Ride Scholarship to come here) to go to University and still come back to Yugoslavia. Thus I must be a Spy for the United States!" Thankfully he was eventually released but that was the impetus for both my mom and dad to get the fuck out of dodge and never return until Yugoslavia finally broke up into the various republics. These fuckos have no earthly idea what they're gibbering about. Like yes, California is a high cost of living state and does lean progressive, but ffs at least be honest about your reasons.

    It's also a case that the high cost of living is a reflection of the prosperity of the state; Like the state has more then twice the GDP of Spain, a country that has been around for 291 more years then the US as a *nation*.

    So yeah, of course you're going to spend more there then living in fucking wyoming.

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    2a) there should be more to 2 but after several attempts to say something more meaningful, I'm stuck on just how truthful the statement already is. Venting about false friends is something I am in agreement with. Fuck the people who claim to be your allies and then fail to deliver. Fuck 'em

    I specifically called out of work Monday to avoid my "left wing" (his claim, not mine) coworker who voted third party in 2016 and 2020 but was talking earlier in the month about maybe voting for Trump to send Democrats a message.

    That message being "I'm a fucking idiot who should be ignored because I'm completely unthethered from reality?"

    Because yeah: you can not claim to be left or liberal or in any way rational when you are voting in support of a man who is a shitty mustache and crappy military career away from being literal hitler.

    That dude ain't left wing he's just a fucking liar.

    I wish I believed that, but I've seen so many utterly insane leftists that I honestly can't dismiss him as a liar; people who straight up insisted that trump and kamala are the same because neither one is pro-union or Anti-israel or whatever fucking pet issue exists and think "vote blue no matter who" is a trap for stupid people to accept that life is shitty and it will never get better and thus it's better for Trump to win so that the democrats will have to spend some time in the wilderness figuring out how to survive or going "If only we'd appealed to the leftists and completely handed over our whole system we could have been drinking clean water directly from the detroit river, children everywhere would have bellys full of GORP, NATO would be dissolved and this would of course lead to putin abdicating power so that Communism as envisioned by Marx could thrive. If only..."

    These people of course, are unable to learn properly from history, that Trump's time in office was an unmitigated disaster on virtually every front, that he's spent years doing nothing bitching about how hard done by he is and getting investigated and/or charged and/or convicted for all kinds of stupid shit directly relating to his political career while also promising to engage in draconian measures to purify the nation of "wrong think" with nothing to actually prevent him from going buck fucking wild.

  • SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    Trump's transition chair went full anti-vax on CNN because he talked to RFK about it. Doubt that'll get a mention tomorrow.

    HuffPo has the article up this morning...

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/howard-lutnick-trump-vaccines_n_67237fe0e4b02f5ab1d287fe
    Recounting his conversation with Kennedy, Lutnick went on to link autism to the growth of vaccines — a discredited idea that dates back to a retracted study from 1998 — before Collins interrupted to remind viewers Lutnick is not a scientist.

    “Hang on,” the anchor said. “OK, neither of us are doctors. Vaccines are safe.”

    “Why do you think vaccines are safe? There’s no product liability anymore. They’re not proven,” Lutnick said.

    “Because they’re proven. Kids get them and they’re fine,” Collins said.

    “Why do you think they’re fine?” Lutnick responded.

    Kennedy being charge of any public health agency is absolutely terrifying. Well, him being in charge of anything period is terrifying.

  • NitsuaNitsua South CarolinaRegistered User regular
    So, I just recently found this channel on YouTube. It’s a family doing funny political satire songs. The first video I saw of them was ‘The Woke Song’, which took me a bit to get that it was satire and not being done straight. Their other videos are more obvious - like their rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody: https://youtu.be/YY_8WzcHqMQ?si=kuiB7i5OphRlylxr

    I thought the thread could use some levity and also I thought I’d share what others are trying to do to get the message out about Trump and the right.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Selner wrote: »
    Trump's transition chair went full anti-vax on CNN because he talked to RFK about it. Doubt that'll get a mention tomorrow.

    HuffPo has the article up this morning...

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/howard-lutnick-trump-vaccines_n_67237fe0e4b02f5ab1d287fe
    Recounting his conversation with Kennedy, Lutnick went on to link autism to the growth of vaccines — a discredited idea that dates back to a retracted study from 1998 — before Collins interrupted to remind viewers Lutnick is not a scientist.

    “Hang on,” the anchor said. “OK, neither of us are doctors. Vaccines are safe.”

    “Why do you think vaccines are safe? There’s no product liability anymore. They’re not proven,” Lutnick said.

    “Because they’re proven. Kids get them and they’re fine,” Collins said.

    “Why do you think they’re fine?” Lutnick responded.

    Kennedy being charge of any public health agency is absolutely terrifying. Well, him being in charge of anything period is terrifying.

    The man legitimately had a parasite try and eat part of of his brain.

    Like, I don't think it's ableism to say that Cabinet members should have intact brains.

  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    enc0re wrote: »
    Ordinarily I pay no mind to the WSJ Editorial Board. But today's headline made me laugh, and also made me feel validated for the vote I cast in September:

    Does this mean I finally get my taco trucks on every street corner?

    I was promised that and it still hasn't been delivered!

    All opinions are my own and in no way reflect that of my employer.
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    DoctorArch wrote: »
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    God help us if we elect this literal clown.

    Can we just take a moment to note how trump's spray on tan is so hideous in this picture that it borders on a half-assed attempt at blackface?

    People have been noticing that it's a darker tint recently. There's a picture from an event a few weeks ago where he almost blends into the dark background.

    You're muckin' with a G!

    Do not engage the Watermelons.
  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    enc0re wrote: »
    Ordinarily I pay no mind to the WSJ Editorial Board. But today's headline made me laugh, and also made me feel validated for the vote I cast in September:

    Does this mean I finally get my taco trucks on every street corner?

    I was promised that and it still hasn't been delivered!

    No that only happens in a Clinton third term

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    Selner wrote: »
    Trump's transition chair went full anti-vax on CNN because he talked to RFK about it. Doubt that'll get a mention tomorrow.

    HuffPo has the article up this morning...

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/howard-lutnick-trump-vaccines_n_67237fe0e4b02f5ab1d287fe
    Recounting his conversation with Kennedy, Lutnick went on to link autism to the growth of vaccines — a discredited idea that dates back to a retracted study from 1998 — before Collins interrupted to remind viewers Lutnick is not a scientist.

    “Hang on,” the anchor said. “OK, neither of us are doctors. Vaccines are safe.”

    “Why do you think vaccines are safe? There’s no product liability anymore. They’re not proven,” Lutnick said.

    “Because they’re proven. Kids get them and they’re fine,” Collins said.

    “Why do you think they’re fine?” Lutnick responded.

    Kennedy being charge of any public health agency is absolutely terrifying. Well, him being in charge of anything period is terrifying.

    Its amazing how they seem to have a policy portfolio designed to wreck the country and economic standard of living in the fastest way possible.

    Remove vaccine requirements, availability, etc? Check.

    Deport 20 million people, thereby reducing the workforce by 10 million+ workers? Check.

    Deep cuts in government spending and programs? Check.

    Large Tarrifs on consumer goods, increasing prices by up to 20%? Check.

    So we’re going to suck a ton of spending and workers out of the economy, while at the same time significantly increasing consumer pricing, and we’re going to significantly increase healthcare costs for people with children at the same time?

  • DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    If we compare Obama’s terms to fast and furious movies we get a clear picture of where this country is headed

    Biden’s term was definitely the Tokyo drift of the Obama presidency franchise.

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