You can't solve everything with a technical trick. If someone was an asshole here and they decide to make a new account on CoRe we just can't prevent that. Only gotta consider if we treat that as an alt and we need to carryover a list of all banned people. That just sounds like too much admin work
You can't solve everything with a technical trick. If someone was an asshole here and they decide to make a new account on CoRe we just can't prevent that. Only gotta consider if we treat that as an alt and we need to carryover a list of all banned people. That just sounds like too much admin work
We can export a CSV file of all banned accounts here (or at least, we were able to a couple months ago... Vanilla has been acting up a bit and metrics aren't available). It's just a question of how to integrate that information, maybe.
Just a list of banned names is not helpful, anyone can just sign up under a different name, you'd need all the PII that goes along with them, the IPs and such, otherwise you're just hoping they just show up and go "Hi I'm banned poster X and I'm back!"
Just a list of banned names is not helpful, anyone can just sign up under a different name, you'd need all the PII that goes along with them, the IPs and such, otherwise you're just hoping they just show up and go "Hi I'm banned poster X and I'm back!"
It's full accounts, which includes IP address and e-mail info, I believe.
I'd probably wait to hear Delz elaborate on the matter before jumping to any solid conclusions.
Also in reality there are few ways to truly prevent someone very determined from just... making an account on a forum. People who have been banned here have come along and made alts (which then get banned ofc) or have used VPNs to avoid their IP getting spotted, and so on. It'll be important to keep a record of previously banned accounts from here to ensure that if they do pop up on CoRe they can immediately be banned, but preventing them from making an account to begin with isn't foolproof.
The strikes here are actually pretty easy to reinforce, because we can have records of who hit 3 strikes or was otherwise perma-banned and ban those users on sight if they try and join CoRe; the list isn't going to wind up being very long.
So to clarify, not only has core decided to merge all posters together, but there is no mechanism to ensure that any previously banned poster cannot come along for the ride?
That’s real problematic. And doesn’t speak to user safety at all. And makes all the strike actions here seem performative.
Do you understand what "yet" means
There's no shortage of things I'm working on
I'm putting 4 hours a night and 20+ hours on weekends into this thing
I'm sure that prior to the CoRe forum launching formally the TT will make thoughtful and reasonable decisions regarding signups and how to handle potential registration of banned users. No need to split hairs over the current state of it in beta.
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So to clarify, not only has core decided to merge all posters together, but there is no mechanism to ensure that any previously banned poster cannot come along for the ride?
That’s real problematic. And doesn’t speak to user safety at all. And makes all the strike actions here seem performative.
Josh, I find it odd that you would frame it that why, no?
CoRe didn't decide, we, the PA community, decided.
We decided on these very forums, within this current community.
Just a list of banned names is not helpful, anyone can just sign up under a different name, you'd need all the PII that goes along with them, the IPs and such, otherwise you're just hoping they just show up and go "Hi I'm banned poster X and I'm back!"
I think it's worthwhile to keep a list of banned posters for reference. Possibly even the details of why they were banned if it's available.
No, you're not going to be able to stop someone who ate a permanent from sign up and acting like some completely new poster / long-term lurker who finally got around to participating in the forums. But you're not really able to stop that because any controls there are today are also trivially easy to bypass.
We're a small enough community though that the usual crowd of folks who have eaten permanents but show back up re-registering alt accounts stand out like sore thumbs. A lot of people who have gotten permanent kicks from here still communicate with current posters to some degree and people are going to recognize 'hey so and so is that guy who flamed out in 2022' or whatever.
Maintaining that whenever possible, posters who received a permanent ban will also receive a permanent ban at CoRe if they try are caught signing back up / registering a new account is a pretty low bar for community safety. It's not going to be perfect but it's already not perfect - we've already had alts of banned posters who rejoined using a VPN or whatever and were back on the boards for months or years before finally getting caught.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
given technical and possibly legal limitations on how much data we can utilize to carry over all currently-banned accounts, i don't know that it's something worth putting a whole lot of energy into preventing
if someone was banned 10 years ago and shows up under a different name and doesn't cause trouble, is it the right call to ensure they are banned on CR? i don't have a ready answer
if someone shows up and causes trouble, they can be dealt with
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Yeah I don't have any real problem if someone who got banned for posting goatse when they were 17 wanders back into CoRe now that they're a less edgy 35 year old and decides to start posting again.
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Yeah I don't have any real problem if someone who got banned for posting goatse when they were 17 wanders back into CoRe now that they're a less edgy 35 year old and decides to start posting again.
Yeah, and unless they use the same name/email (I certainly don't have access to my email account from 20 years ago), even with access to the old block list data, there's no way anyone would ever know.
Unless they once again became a problem, in which case we deal with that as it is.
Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
There are people who have been banned after being accused of stalking, and physically assaulting other forumers at gatherings.
I'm not getting a good feeling about this line of discussion in contrast with the Core Value of Safety.
Nobody is likely going to remember or care about 'distant forumer posted gotse two decades ago' (also, I caught that reference), but there are people who are unwelcome here for very good reasons, and in much more recent terms.
Yes, obviously if someone truly wants to put in the work to participate under a new name and manages to avoid the usual 'tells' of an alt or former forumer, there's little we can do to stop them.
But what about after a few weeks or months or more where it becomes known that "TotallyNewGal" is actually "RagingDipshitFromLike2YearsAgo"?
People can change and ideally grow and mature over time, but part of that should be recognizing where one went astray and striving to do better. Slinking in while wearing a novelty glasses and moustache combo only to be outed (willingly or accidentally) later isn't a good first step on that path.
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The flipside of this is, of course, stalkers gonna stalk.
So I definitely get the "well if they don't cause trouble" angle. At the same time, we should be aware that some folks will cause harm through their presence alone.
I don't know what we can meaningfully do to solve that problem, but I do think we should acknowledge it.
maybe the real panopticon was the friends we made along the way
There's only so much that can be done about porting over banned people. There's some things that can be done easily, some things that can't be done without a ton of effort, and something things that can't be done at all.
How exactly do we do more than porting over IP addresses, user names, and emails and checking against them?
And if porting over some of those things isn't possible or the effort is too much, we're going to have to move on from that and trust that the new forums will filter out the same people if they decide to come back once we move.
Pretending like this is not a real issue doesn’t change the fact that it’s a real issue. Splitting hairs over my phrasing is a red herring.
Core clearly seems ok with banned posters returning to the new space based on the posts between mine here. That’s not ok to me, and really feels like a pig in a poke situation. I’ll note that every time I I’ve brought it up it has been downplayed by multiple TT members as well.
What's the solution? Like, what would hold up to your standard on this? Outcome wise, not implementation.
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From the first days that we began this undertaking, it was my understanding that the banned list would be carried over.
Now apparently that may not be the case, or is still a Work In Progress in some fashion.
Nobody sensible is going to demand unerring accuracy and perfection from the transition team, but a reassurance that if 'RagingDipshitFromLike2YearsAgo' gets outed, they will again be removed would be a good start.
Yes, obviously it's not like anyone that wants to slip in is necessarily going to have much trouble doing so. At the same time, it is rarely difficult to spot alts and old members. They have a tendency to leave clues that they haven't actually only been around for the last month or two.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
to maybe put it in perspective, the list of banned users is over 20,000 and nearly all of those are just spam accounts
there is no easy way to pre-ban that entire list and it might not be a useful exercise anyway as anyone can just sign up with a different username/email/IP address
quite easily if, say, they've moved and gotten a new phone since they were banned
i am not saying there aren't people who have been banned for good reason, i'm saying the resources required to prevent them coming back may be out of reach
If it can be argued with a degree of certainty that a new person is actually someone who got banned for stalking or harassment, they should be re-banned, yes.
But foolproof online identity verification is hard for governments and multinational corporations. If I solve that problem I'm retiring to the Caymans or getting killed by the mafia
Pretending like this is not a real issue doesn’t change the fact that it’s a real issue. Splitting hairs over my phrasing is a red herring.
Core clearly seems ok with banned posters returning to the new space based on the posts between mine here. That’s not ok to me, and really feels like a pig in a poke situation. I’ll note that every time I I’ve brought it up it has been downplayed by multiple TT members as well.
This, to be clear, is an incorrect read of the situation. It's an acknowledged issue that Delz has kept in mind this entire time. It's also a difficult problem to solve, and even when solved to the best of our ability (theoretically "pre-banning" every username/email address on the existing banlist), it's trivial for a motivated individual to circumvent, so we've focused on trying to ensure there are other safeguards and policies in place to handle the ones who slip by. That doesn't mean we're expecting or hoping or even just okay with them slipping by in the first place. We just have to deal with all angles of the reality of the situation.
Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
Pretending like this is not a real issue doesn’t change the fact that it’s a real issue. Splitting hairs over my phrasing is a red herring.
Core clearly seems ok with banned posters returning to the new space based on the posts between mine here. That’s not ok to me, and really feels like a pig in a poke situation. I’ll note that every time I I’ve brought it up it has been downplayed by multiple TT members as well.
This really comes across as an unkind reading of what the TT members have said in the past dozen or so posts.
As multiple folks have already said: not wanting banned users to just waltz over to CoRe is a given. Aside from the usernames of banned users already being blocked, there are just technical and practical limitations to how much it can be prevented. Some part of the solution has to be banning them on CoRe if they are identified when using a different username.
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That kind of harassment gets infinitely harder with people taking up new identities, which is tied into some of the discussion around here. Like.. if someone has been removed from this forum, either voluntarily or by management action, then I would be exceedingly hesitant to let them back in under a different name without making it extremely clear who they were. That was, after all, the whole point of the "No Alts" rule. I'm not saying no one can be redeemed or participate.. just.. you know, some kind of parole process that codifies the whole "people who return from a ban are on thinner ice" stuff. Technically I fall under that as I asked for a tempban from the forum.
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Pretending like this is not a real issue doesn’t change the fact that it’s a real issue. Splitting hairs over my phrasing is a red herring.
Core clearly seems ok with banned posters returning to the new space based on the posts between mine here. That’s not ok to me, and really feels like a pig in a poke situation. I’ll note that every time I I’ve brought it up it has been downplayed by multiple TT members as well.
Emphasis mine. I think a lot of this boils down to a disconnect over what Coin Return actually is.
As much as we might want it to be, it's not actually a true continuation or port of the current forums. It's a new forum entirely, built by members of this current community. There is no 'returning,' we will all be new.
I'm not trying to minimize concerns about previous users who were banned for dangerous or threatening behavior, but any community moving to a different platform is going to have the same technical limitations. Preventing previously banned users from registering with a banned name and manually banning people who become a problem seems like a good faith effort and I'm not sure what an alternative to that would even be.
Nobody sensible is going to demand unerring accuracy and perfection from the transition team, but a reassurance that if 'RagingDipshitFromLike2YearsAgo' gets outed, they will again be removed would be a good start.
I can assure you that if a user who was banned for cause sneaks past blocklists or whatever other protections we have in place and is outed in some way, they would be shown the door, promptly.
Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
That kind of harassment gets infinitely harder with people taking up new identities, which is tied into some of the discussion around here. Like.. if someone has been removed from this forum, either voluntarily or by management action, then I would be exceedingly hesitant to let them back in under a different name without making it extremely clear who they were. That was, after all, the whole point of the "No Alts" rule. I'm not saying no one can be redeemed or participate.. just.. you know, some kind of parole process that codifies the whole "people who return from a ban are on thinner ice" stuff. Technically I fall under that as I asked for a tempban from the forum.
If I can be permitted a brief tangent, one of the things we're looking at is a "hiatus" system so taking a break doesn't get equated to "banning".
Also I'm not a lone dev on this, I do have people helping me. @Zek and @andrew have been a massive help, and I've had contributions from many others along the way
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Nobody sensible is going to demand unerring accuracy and perfection from the transition team, but a reassurance that if 'RagingDipshitFromLike2YearsAgo' gets outed, they will again be removed would be a good start.
I can assure you that if a user who was banned for cause sneaks past blocklists or whatever other protections we have in place and is outed in some way, they would be shown the door, promptly.
I'll double down on this and add that I will personally heckle them on their way out of said door.
I'll hurl rotten vegetables at 'em.
I'll shit in their shoes and fill their coat pockets with sand too.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
That kind of harassment gets infinitely harder with people taking up new identities, which is tied into some of the discussion around here. Like.. if someone has been removed from this forum, either voluntarily or by management action, then I would be exceedingly hesitant to let them back in under a different name without making it extremely clear who they were. That was, after all, the whole point of the "No Alts" rule. I'm not saying no one can be redeemed or participate.. just.. you know, some kind of parole process that codifies the whole "people who return from a ban are on thinner ice" stuff. Technically I fall under that as I asked for a tempban from the forum.
how do we accomplish that only for people who were previously banned without also snaring every new account?
As much as we might want it to be, it's not actually a true continuation or port of the current forums. It's a new forum entirely, built by members of this current community. There is no 'returning,' we will all be new.
This is, imo, incorrect in the opposite direction.
It is a forum that will predominantly (at least initially, if not permanently) be made up of former PA forumers, was crafted in excruciating detail on the PA forums, and will be utilizing the PA forums to allow existing forumers to claim their username and perhaps some basic posting stats.
"Forar" on CoRe currently has zero posts, but that same profile/account will allegedly be updated to note 31.1k (and growing) posts, precisely Zero of which can currently be found on said forum. I believe join date is another field that will come along, but clearly I was not able to pre-join CoRe 21+ years before it was even a dream, let alone existed.
We (as a community) are crafting something new and attempting to resolve long standing issues built of friction, neglect, oversight, and changed views and priorities over the last few years or decades, depending on just how ancient a given participant is.
There are efforts to create something new, to break ties that are no longer required or desired, but other aspects are absolutely being carried along. Some, intentionally, and some simply based on the fact that if 99%+ of your population came from one location, it's hard to believe that they will all just gain collective amnesia upon crossing the login threshold.
Ship of Theseus style, I don't know where the exact demarcation point is, but to claim that the same people posting on the same topics on a new platform/with a new coat of paint is going to be unrelated to what came before is, to me, absurd.
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I think it's fair to say that there's no fool proof technical solution. Maybe there are some things that can be done, maybe they're all sorr of ineffectual, that's kind of whatever for me.
If you were banned from here, and you want to show up in the new place, we have agreed there's a process in place to have your case heard. That is the right way to do it.
If you were banned from here and try to sneak by and pretend to be someone else, and you are found out, you should be banned from the new place. That seems a reasonable policy to me. We can make it very clear at sign-up that this is our policy, and it doesn't require fancy tech. It won't stop everyone, but the number of brand new users is going to be negligible and banned users sneaking in as alts will be pretty obvious.
I'm less concerned about success rates and more about policy decisions that show that CoRe leadership takes issues like safety and security seriously, and this sort of policy would satisfy me even if it means the odd fucko sneaks under the fence.
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Nobody sensible is going to demand unerring accuracy and perfection from the transition team, but a reassurance that if 'RagingDipshitFromLike2YearsAgo' gets outed, they will again be removed would be a good start.
I can assure you that if a user who was banned for cause sneaks past blocklists or whatever other protections we have in place and is outed in some way, they would be shown the door, promptly.
I'll double down on this and add that I will personally heckle them on their way out of said door.
I'll hurl rotten vegetables at 'em.
I'll shit in their shoes and fill their coat pockets with sand too.
I get that this is 'a bit' and meant to bring some levity, but at the same time, this is really funny when juxtaposed against the 'going forward, Moderators will be highly professional and won't be shitting on those they have to infract or ban' statements that have been made in the past, in reference to... mods doing exactly that.
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Also in reality there are few ways to truly prevent someone very determined from just... making an account on a forum. People who have been banned here have come along and made alts (which then get banned ofc) or have used VPNs to avoid their IP getting spotted, and so on. It'll be important to keep a record of previously banned accounts from here to ensure that if they do pop up on CoRe they can immediately be banned, but preventing them from making an account to begin with isn't foolproof.
The strikes here are actually pretty easy to reinforce, because we can have records of who hit 3 strikes or was otherwise perma-banned and ban those users on sight if they try and join CoRe; the list isn't going to wind up being very long.
Do you understand what "yet" means
There's no shortage of things I'm working on
I'm putting 4 hours a night and 20+ hours on weekends into this thing
Edit to clarify: right now there are no open signups. Only people I've sent instructions to can register
Josh, I find it odd that you would frame it that why, no?
CoRe didn't decide, we, the PA community, decided.
We decided on these very forums, within this current community.
I think it's worthwhile to keep a list of banned posters for reference. Possibly even the details of why they were banned if it's available.
No, you're not going to be able to stop someone who ate a permanent from sign up and acting like some completely new poster / long-term lurker who finally got around to participating in the forums. But you're not really able to stop that because any controls there are today are also trivially easy to bypass.
We're a small enough community though that the usual crowd of folks who have eaten permanents but show back up re-registering alt accounts stand out like sore thumbs. A lot of people who have gotten permanent kicks from here still communicate with current posters to some degree and people are going to recognize 'hey so and so is that guy who flamed out in 2022' or whatever.
Maintaining that whenever possible, posters who received a permanent ban will also receive a permanent ban at CoRe if they try are caught signing back up / registering a new account is a pretty low bar for community safety. It's not going to be perfect but it's already not perfect - we've already had alts of banned posters who rejoined using a VPN or whatever and were back on the boards for months or years before finally getting caught.
if someone was banned 10 years ago and shows up under a different name and doesn't cause trouble, is it the right call to ensure they are banned on CR? i don't have a ready answer
if someone shows up and causes trouble, they can be dealt with
Yeah, and unless they use the same name/email (I certainly don't have access to my email account from 20 years ago), even with access to the old block list data, there's no way anyone would ever know.
Unless they once again became a problem, in which case we deal with that as it is.
I'm not getting a good feeling about this line of discussion in contrast with the Core Value of Safety.
Nobody is likely going to remember or care about 'distant forumer posted gotse two decades ago' (also, I caught that reference), but there are people who are unwelcome here for very good reasons, and in much more recent terms.
Yes, obviously if someone truly wants to put in the work to participate under a new name and manages to avoid the usual 'tells' of an alt or former forumer, there's little we can do to stop them.
But what about after a few weeks or months or more where it becomes known that "TotallyNewGal" is actually "RagingDipshitFromLike2YearsAgo"?
People can change and ideally grow and mature over time, but part of that should be recognizing where one went astray and striving to do better. Slinking in while wearing a novelty glasses and moustache combo only to be outed (willingly or accidentally) later isn't a good first step on that path.
So I definitely get the "well if they don't cause trouble" angle. At the same time, we should be aware that some folks will cause harm through their presence alone.
I don't know what we can meaningfully do to solve that problem, but I do think we should acknowledge it.
How exactly do we do more than porting over IP addresses, user names, and emails and checking against them?
And if porting over some of those things isn't possible or the effort is too much, we're going to have to move on from that and trust that the new forums will filter out the same people if they decide to come back once we move.
What's the solution? Like, what would hold up to your standard on this? Outcome wise, not implementation.
Now apparently that may not be the case, or is still a Work In Progress in some fashion.
Nobody sensible is going to demand unerring accuracy and perfection from the transition team, but a reassurance that if 'RagingDipshitFromLike2YearsAgo' gets outed, they will again be removed would be a good start.
Yes, obviously it's not like anyone that wants to slip in is necessarily going to have much trouble doing so. At the same time, it is rarely difficult to spot alts and old members. They have a tendency to leave clues that they haven't actually only been around for the last month or two.
there is no easy way to pre-ban that entire list and it might not be a useful exercise anyway as anyone can just sign up with a different username/email/IP address
quite easily if, say, they've moved and gotten a new phone since they were banned
i am not saying there aren't people who have been banned for good reason, i'm saying the resources required to prevent them coming back may be out of reach
But foolproof online identity verification is hard for governments and multinational corporations. If I solve that problem I'm retiring to the Caymans or getting killed by the mafia
This, to be clear, is an incorrect read of the situation. It's an acknowledged issue that Delz has kept in mind this entire time. It's also a difficult problem to solve, and even when solved to the best of our ability (theoretically "pre-banning" every username/email address on the existing banlist), it's trivial for a motivated individual to circumvent, so we've focused on trying to ensure there are other safeguards and policies in place to handle the ones who slip by. That doesn't mean we're expecting or hoping or even just okay with them slipping by in the first place. We just have to deal with all angles of the reality of the situation.
This really comes across as an unkind reading of what the TT members have said in the past dozen or so posts.
As multiple folks have already said: not wanting banned users to just waltz over to CoRe is a given. Aside from the usernames of banned users already being blocked, there are just technical and practical limitations to how much it can be prevented. Some part of the solution has to be banning them on CoRe if they are identified when using a different username.
Emphasis mine. I think a lot of this boils down to a disconnect over what Coin Return actually is.
As much as we might want it to be, it's not actually a true continuation or port of the current forums. It's a new forum entirely, built by members of this current community. There is no 'returning,' we will all be new.
I'm not trying to minimize concerns about previous users who were banned for dangerous or threatening behavior, but any community moving to a different platform is going to have the same technical limitations. Preventing previously banned users from registering with a banned name and manually banning people who become a problem seems like a good faith effort and I'm not sure what an alternative to that would even be.
I can assure you that if a user who was banned for cause sneaks past blocklists or whatever other protections we have in place and is outed in some way, they would be shown the door, promptly.
If I can be permitted a brief tangent, one of the things we're looking at is a "hiatus" system so taking a break doesn't get equated to "banning".
Also I'm not a lone dev on this, I do have people helping me. @Zek and @andrew have been a massive help, and I've had contributions from many others along the way
I'll double down on this and add that I will personally heckle them on their way out of said door.
I'll hurl rotten vegetables at 'em.
I'll shit in their shoes and fill their coat pockets with sand too.
how do we accomplish that only for people who were previously banned without also snaring every new account?
This is, imo, incorrect in the opposite direction.
It is a forum that will predominantly (at least initially, if not permanently) be made up of former PA forumers, was crafted in excruciating detail on the PA forums, and will be utilizing the PA forums to allow existing forumers to claim their username and perhaps some basic posting stats.
"Forar" on CoRe currently has zero posts, but that same profile/account will allegedly be updated to note 31.1k (and growing) posts, precisely Zero of which can currently be found on said forum. I believe join date is another field that will come along, but clearly I was not able to pre-join CoRe 21+ years before it was even a dream, let alone existed.
We (as a community) are crafting something new and attempting to resolve long standing issues built of friction, neglect, oversight, and changed views and priorities over the last few years or decades, depending on just how ancient a given participant is.
There are efforts to create something new, to break ties that are no longer required or desired, but other aspects are absolutely being carried along. Some, intentionally, and some simply based on the fact that if 99%+ of your population came from one location, it's hard to believe that they will all just gain collective amnesia upon crossing the login threshold.
Ship of Theseus style, I don't know where the exact demarcation point is, but to claim that the same people posting on the same topics on a new platform/with a new coat of paint is going to be unrelated to what came before is, to me, absurd.
If you were banned from here, and you want to show up in the new place, we have agreed there's a process in place to have your case heard. That is the right way to do it.
If you were banned from here and try to sneak by and pretend to be someone else, and you are found out, you should be banned from the new place. That seems a reasonable policy to me. We can make it very clear at sign-up that this is our policy, and it doesn't require fancy tech. It won't stop everyone, but the number of brand new users is going to be negligible and banned users sneaking in as alts will be pretty obvious.
I'm less concerned about success rates and more about policy decisions that show that CoRe leadership takes issues like safety and security seriously, and this sort of policy would satisfy me even if it means the odd fucko sneaks under the fence.
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I get that this is 'a bit' and meant to bring some levity, but at the same time, this is really funny when juxtaposed against the 'going forward, Moderators will be highly professional and won't be shitting on those they have to infract or ban' statements that have been made in the past, in reference to... mods doing exactly that.