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The Financials

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    What is the deal with the ads on this forum, anyhow? I assume the bizarre state of them was a big factor in the decision to not have them on the next site, but like, the ads on the other forum I'm on are normal. Just like, ads for mcdonalds or insurance or whatever. Do we have any idea why this place gets like... I think AI generated pictures of nonsensical gadgets advertising themselves as the coolest gifts of 2024? Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, it's just on my mind because of the last time I posted in here.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    cB557 wrote: »
    What is the deal with the ads on this forum, anyhow? I assume the bizarre state of them was a big factor in the decision to not have them on the next site, but like, the ads on the other forum I'm on are normal. Just like, ads for mcdonalds or insurance or whatever. Do we have any idea why this place gets like... I think AI generated pictures of nonsensical gadgets advertising themselves as the coolest gifts of 2024? Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, it's just on my mind because of the last time I posted in here.
    Who knows? It's probably the product of years of neglect and inertia.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    cB557 wrote: »
    What is the deal with the ads on this forum, anyhow? I assume the bizarre state of them was a big factor in the decision to not have them on the next site, but like, the ads on the other forum I'm on are normal. Just like, ads for mcdonalds or insurance or whatever. Do we have any idea why this place gets like... I think AI generated pictures of nonsensical gadgets advertising themselves as the coolest gifts of 2024? Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, it's just on my mind because of the last time I posted in here.
    Who knows? It's probably the product of years of neglect and inertia.

    if it's anything like the legacy comics leftover after the bubble burst it's just old ad code.

    I remember some truly terrible shit on my abandoned project wonderful banner in like summer 2016 before I turned my site off.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    What is the deal with the ads on this forum, anyhow? I assume the bizarre state of them was a big factor in the decision to not have them on the next site, but like, the ads on the other forum I'm on are normal. Just like, ads for mcdonalds or insurance or whatever. Do we have any idea why this place gets like... I think AI generated pictures of nonsensical gadgets advertising themselves as the coolest gifts of 2024? Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, it's just on my mind because of the last time I posted in here.

    Unless you really go into your google ads control panel and basically ban most campaigns by default (and thus kill 90% of your ad income), google will serve whatever the heck someone submits which includes the worst popup-malware-javascript horrors you've seen because they bid relatively high because google takes money first and bans later because they do not give a fuck and neither do these websites.

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  • GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    Tef wrote: »
    Understanding conversations on forum funding are upcoming and I am coming from a place of complete and utter ignorance on this:
    Could it be possible to get some of the sick CR logos people are coming out with screen printed on cotton tees, and profits used to help fund the board?

    I think it depends on the art we use, and how the artist feels. I believe a few of the ideas have been cribbed from other places which would obviously depend on how the original artist feels.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Tef wrote: »
    Understanding conversations on forum funding are upcoming and I am coming from a place of complete and utter ignorance on this:
    Could it be possible to get some of the sick CR logos people are coming out with screen printed on cotton tees, and profits used to help fund the board?
    Heh. I was talking about the exact subject a little while ago today with the Transition Team. In the context of "when this all works and we migrate over, I'm TOTALLY getting a Coin Return T-shirt".

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    My best friend of over 30 years is an artist and looking for work. While logos aren’t exactly his thing (he’s more into comic creation), I can ask him to mock up some ideas.

    Need a voice actor? Hire me at bengrayVO.com
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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited November 2024
    Hey we'd need to check the numbers to get the best deal but I do have a connection to a print shop. so if everyone decides to do a t-shirt or tote bag drive or whatever I can probably get us a discount. I can at least provide a quote to compare against others.

    edit: and this would be me trying to get the items at or close to cost, I don't work for the company but I'd owe them a favor on like some freelance design or something. I would be making nothing from this.

    amateurhour on
    are YOU on the beer list?
  • minor incidentminor incident publicly subsidized! privately profitable!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited November 2024
    Hey we'd need to check the numbers to get the best deal but I do have a connection to a print shop. so if everyone decides to do a t-shirt or tote bag drive or whatever I can probably get us a discount. I can at least provide a quote to compare against others.

    edit: and this would be me trying to get the items at or close to cost, I don't work for the company but I'd owe them a favor on like some freelance design or something. I would be making nothing from this.

    That's an option if we know we have a certain level of demand. There's also the Print-on-Demand option, which I've used extensively. It's lower margin, but zero risk and no logistical load (shipping, storing, packing, etc). I'm not opposed to either direction, but we'd definitely need sort of an "interest check" or even "pre-order" if we did a batch print, I think.


    (and again, it goes without saying that the artist would have to be on board, and that their art is their sole creation, no AI, no un-licensed assets, etc)

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    Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I'm going to stake a pretty firm position on "If we sell merch we need to pay the artist." It's kinda a thing for me.

    Agreed. A lump sum to license the art and a cut of each shirt sold would be my amateur instinct to offer

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    edited November 2024
    I'm going to stake a pretty firm position on "If we sell merch we need to pay the artist." It's kinda a thing for me.

    The only carve out I would give here is if the artist is of the community and donating their work in the same way we are donating our time, it is a choice they can make.

    A whole lot of us are doing this for free, and if they wanted to join in that way that would be awesome.

    If no, then yes absolutely art is valued. We should have a fair policy around how they are paid for their efforts if we contract with an artist.

    syndalis on
  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Yeah this is a thing I've actually done before for conventions and stuff when my wife and I were doing webcomics.

    We'd get the art first, I'd do mockups, people would vote or agree on designs, and the artist would be offered compensation

    then it would be a pre-sale kind of drive, so once I know that 20 people want t-shirts and 10 want Coin Purses or whatever I can have a quote for that with whatever the transparent cost will be and people can decide if it's worth it.

    Happy to do this if someone else builds the surveys, and I can get base prices together and just some different styles in the mean time off to the side.

    No rush or commitment, y'all just let me know.

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    cB557 wrote: »
    What is the deal with the ads on this forum, anyhow? I assume the bizarre state of them was a big factor in the decision to not have them on the next site, but like, the ads on the other forum I'm on are normal. Just like, ads for mcdonalds or insurance or whatever. Do we have any idea why this place gets like... I think AI generated pictures of nonsensical gadgets advertising themselves as the coolest gifts of 2024? Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, it's just on my mind because of the last time I posted in here.

    Unless you really go into your google ads control panel and basically ban most campaigns by default (and thus kill 90% of your ad income), google will serve whatever the heck someone submits which includes the worst popup-malware-javascript horrors you've seen because they bid relatively high because google takes money first and bans later because they do not give a fuck and neither do these websites.

    Deeper than that too, adsense scrapes the content of what you serve to figure out what's appropriate to deliver.

    Guess how much time the forum at large talks about the goings on of politics or politics-adjacent topics in any sort of capacity. Guess which political party funnels absolute gobs of money into ads that target politics heavy content to hopefully radicalize folks.

    It'd be a full time job to block out all that, yeah. And even in the best of circumstances, you don't get much ad revenue from adsense. You get even less when the culture is tech centric and understands the dangers of not using adblock.

    Even with 3+ million page views a month I'd be surprised if the revenue per month is over $20. Unless there's just that many folks here raw dogging the internet without ublock origin or clubPA.

    I still think it's incredibly important to not serve up ads, they're dangerous even if it generates enough income to keep the lights on.

  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    i suspect the adblock percentage on paforums is at something like 99.5% these days

    .... which might partly explain their demise

  • qwer12qwer12 Registered User regular
    I don't use adblock I'm raw dogging the internet

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    qwer12 wrote: »
    I don't use adblock I'm raw dogging the internet

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    qwer12 wrote: »
    I don't use adblock I'm raw dogging the internet

    I had to install pihole because the shit was becoming too much on my phone.

    I don't know how y'all do it!

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    I don't bother doing anything to block ads.

    But amateurhour the tractor parts that show up in the ads I'm glad I know the minimal cost of a 3pt PTO wood chipper or flail mower.

  • DelzhandDelzhand Coin Return Admin Registered User, Transition Team regular
    bowen wrote: »
    qwer12 wrote: »
    I don't use adblock I'm raw dogging the internet

    I had to install pihole because the shit was becoming too much on my phone.

    I don't know how y'all do it!

    The year is 2024. Only one man has the tools, the courage and the will... to visit a fandom wiki.

    BOWEN: THE BLOCKER

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Pihole doesn't help with Fandom, at least on mobile for me. They still manage to eat up 2/3 of the screen with ads.

    Mine seems to do alright, but I'll admit firefox with ublock is so much better on mobile.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    I don't bother doing anything to block ads.

    But amateurhour the tractor parts that show up in the ads I'm glad I know the minimal cost of a 3pt PTO wood chipper or flail mower.

    I am the Rural (short) King

    are YOU on the beer list?
  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    cB557 wrote: »
    What is the deal with the ads on this forum, anyhow? I assume the bizarre state of them was a big factor in the decision to not have them on the next site, but like, the ads on the other forum I'm on are normal. Just like, ads for mcdonalds or insurance or whatever. Do we have any idea why this place gets like... I think AI generated pictures of nonsensical gadgets advertising themselves as the coolest gifts of 2024? Maybe this isn't the right thread for this question, it's just on my mind because of the last time I posted in here.

    Unless you really go into your google ads control panel and basically ban most campaigns by default (and thus kill 90% of your ad income), google will serve whatever the heck someone submits which includes the worst popup-malware-javascript horrors you've seen because they bid relatively high because google takes money first and bans later because they do not give a fuck and neither do these websites.

    Precisely why my Exceptions list for uBlock is empty.

  • DelzhandDelzhand Coin Return Admin Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I just wrote our first financial report and vanilla ate it. Stunning troll, no notes.

  • DelzhandDelzhand Coin Return Admin Registered User, Transition Team regular
    November Financial Report
    Income: $0
    Expenses: $298.51

    As the only TT member willing to tackle bookkeeping, it pleases me to post our inaugural financial report!

    And it's a weird one! A few members of the TT have fronted the costs of some tech-related costs. Next month has a few more capital expenses and may contain some formal fundraising, but then things should start to stabilize.

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    let me know when / how to pitch in!

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Getting an official app can be a bit of a headache in my experience... It might be better to focus on the mobile browsing experience and setting up a PWA or something. But maybe Xenforo has stuff that makes it easier?

  • DelzhandDelzhand Coin Return Admin Registered User, Transition Team regular
    https://xenforo.com/community/threads/progressive-web-app.181448/

    Xenforo has a PWA, and we already meet one of the more restrictive requirements, a title under 12 characters.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    Solysp wrote: »
    Any update on timeline for a Patreon launch or some other way for us to start forking over Benjamins?

    Yeah, I got some colorful pieces of paper with bridges on em burning in my pocket!

  • minor incidentminor incident publicly subsidized! privately profitable!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Solysp wrote: »
    Any update on timeline for a Patreon launch or some other way for us to start forking over Benjamins?

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    Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    We're hard at work on the one-time fundraiser... It's very close!
    It's going to include little rewards for each milestone reached, thinking of them is very fun.
    Executing them... somewhat time consuming.

    Also, creating a thermometer in paint: Suprisingly difficult? Why do I sigh every time I open paint.net?

  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    Gosh remember the Kickstarter that had Mike naming all donations while chasing a chicken?

    Lets .. not do that one

  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Aldo wrote: »
    Gosh remember the Kickstarter that had Mike naming all donations while chasing a chicken?

    Lets .. not do that one

    Note to self: Somehow sell chicken... think of different reward.

  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    My memory says it was ducks he chased?

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  • FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    Josh wrote: »
    Dibbit wrote: »
    Aldo wrote: »
    Gosh remember the Kickstarter that had Mike naming all donations while chasing a chicken?

    Lets .. not do that one

    Note to self: Somehow sell chicken... think of different reward.

    Dickerdoodles

    The problem with chasing Dickerdooles is it becomes hard to understand the names being called out while you stuff your face with penis biscuits.

    That's not to say it wouldn't be entertaining, just that there is added degradation in the signal.

    X-Com LP Thread I, II, III, IV, V
    That's unbelievably cool. Your new name is cool guy. Let's have sex.
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