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Legal and Corporate/Organizational Stuff

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  • akTheraakThera akjak Registered User regular
    I'm willing to be Designated Canadian. Only I'm not currently Canadian.

    That comes with relocation benefits, right? You'll move me and my family to somewhere in Canada and get us out of here? No? Damn.

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  • FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    For reference, I would happily be the resident New Zealander if that was the route we took, I just don't think there's enough of us to justify risk. Single point of failure and all that.

    I concur with the opinion that Canada is likely to be a better option for reasons of greater depth of continuity and pool of resources, etc.

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  • qwer12qwer12 Registered User regular
    Honestly, I would prefer it farther away from the US so NZ would be my first choice if possible. We would probably be an incorporated society, which means we could claim to be part of a secret society.

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Aldo wrote: »
    What perks will the Designated Canadian get?
    the ultimate reward: not getting confused for an American when traveling abroad.

    Don't promise things that is not within man's power to give.

    Steam/Origin: davydizzy
  • MaclayMaclay He/Him Here and ThereRegistered User regular
    Any country we point at as the best option might have legal quirks that even locals aren't aware of: It turns out that in New Zealand there currently isn't protection for using copyrighted content for comedic purposes? The odds that anyone here would piss off a company enough that they'd do anything about it is pretty slim, but it sounds to me like they could if they wanted to.

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    edited November 2024
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  • minor incidentminor incident publicly subsidized! privately profitable!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Forum survey results (and some info on the state of the forums) are live:

    https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/252713/forum-survey-results-state-of-the-forums#latest

    Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
  • FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    edited November 2024
    Maclay wrote: »
    Any country we point at as the best option might have legal quirks that even locals aren't aware of: It turns out that in New Zealand there currently isn't protection for using copyrighted content for comedic purposes? The odds that anyone here would piss off a company enough that they'd do anything about it is pretty slim, but it sounds to me like they could if they wanted to.

    Oh yeah, our copyright is very restrictive. Fair use isn't really a thing. That said, it's not particularly enforced unless it's egregious.

    That said, our duration is somewhat shorter. For instance, Lord of the Rings (Tolkien's written text) is no longer in copyright as of this year.

    Fishman on
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  • minor incidentminor incident publicly subsidized! privately profitable!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Alert! Go vote on the forum name! This will go on legal documents!

    https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/252717/vote-the-future-name-of-the-future-forums/p1?new=1

    Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    edited November 2024

    If you're planning on putting it on legal documents uh has anyone done a business name search in the eventual jurisdiction? Like for example Post Arcade is a trade name used by the Financial Post in Canada for gaming journalism. Why they have such a thing is beyond me, but they do

    Phyphor on
  • minor incidentminor incident publicly subsidized! privately profitable!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Yes, definitely considered, and it will depend on the location of filing (which is being worked out now), but if necessary the legal name may be a slight variation of the winning choice, such as “Coin Return Social Club” or what have you.

    But the name chosen will be the the actual displayed name on the forums, though.

    Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    In the poll thread there is this turn of phrase: "will go on legal business paperwork filed with the state and the federal government" which makes me worried if the requests in this thread to avoid the US have been taken into consideration? Or maybe it was just a bit of text written before the election?

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    I'm assuming that, as Americans, they just forgot that not every country is a bonkers assortment of 50 smaller pseudo-countries bound together by a central government.

  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    I'm assuming that, as Americans, they just forgot that not every country is a bonkers assortment of 50 smaller pseudo-countries bound together by a central government.

    Well Canada is a bonkers assortment of territories and provinces bound together by poutine. Hence my slight worry.

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  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    Aldo wrote: »
    In the poll thread there is this turn of phrase: "will go on legal business paperwork filed with the state and the federal government" which makes me worried if the requests in this thread to avoid the US have been taken into consideration? Or maybe it was just a bit of text written before the election?

    It seems not.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Aldo wrote: »
    In the poll thread there is this turn of phrase: "will go on legal business paperwork filed with the state and the federal government" which makes me worried if the requests in this thread to avoid the US have been taken into consideration? Or maybe it was just a bit of text written before the election?

    It seems not.
    I think folks are weighing the options. And even if incorporation happens in the US, I think there will be some level of mindfulness of the risks involved, in terms of protecting our user base.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Coin Return Admin Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Those concerns, along with others, absolutely have been noted. It's not settled yet, though the US is still a top contender. I'm not the expert on these matters though. Unlike the software/naming/charter/etc discussions, the legal org

    * Has monetary cost
    * Has legal ramifications
    * Is difficult to reverse

    I'm sure we'll have more info soon.

  • BroodaxBroodax Registered User regular
    edited November 2024
    I'd like to offer my help in the form of guidance, actual drafting of organizational filings, or anything in between.

    My resume is that I have been the president of a college gaming club, and then in the real world have both created, transferred control of, been vice president and president of, and dissolved 501c3 organizations (athletics booster clubs - the only thing more difficult to deal with than an HOA). Though I'm probably only real help if it's decided to incorporate in the US.

    Broodax on
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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    out of curiousity, who owns this:

    8wq5nrqt25ox.png

    Will that icon also be required to change? What in PA is it even supposed to be?

    “I used to draw, hard to admit that I used to draw...”
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    out of curiousity, who owns this:

    8wq5nrqt25ox.png

    Will that icon also be required to change? What in PA is it even supposed to be?

    It's a wombat.

    https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1999/04/09/software-and-like-etc

  • minor incidentminor incident publicly subsidized! privately profitable!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    out of curiousity, who owns this:

    8wq5nrqt25ox.png

    Will that icon also be required to change? What in PA is it even supposed to be?

    This is the kind of hard hitting question I like.

    Hell, New Jersey, it said on the letter. Delivered without comment. So be it!
  • DelzhandDelzhand Coin Return Admin Registered User, Transition Team regular
    out of curiousity, who owns this:

    8wq5nrqt25ox.png

    Will that icon also be required to change? What in PA is it even supposed to be?

    This is the kind of hard hitting question I like.

    I was actually involved in this! The prior pixel art wombat was asymmetrical for years and it bugged me enough to tweak it, which got reported upward to PA, who had their graphic designer make a whole new favicon

  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    out of curiousity, who owns this:

    8wq5nrqt25ox.png

    Will that icon also be required to change? What in PA is it even supposed to be?

    This is the kind of hard hitting question I like.

    I was actually involved in this! The prior pixel art wombat was asymmetrical for years and it bugged me enough to tweak it, which got reported upward to PA, who had their graphic designer make a whole new favicon

    By my calculations, that makes it ours to take with us, right?

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Dibbit wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    out of curiousity, who owns this:

    8wq5nrqt25ox.png

    Will that icon also be required to change? What in PA is it even supposed to be?

    This is the kind of hard hitting question I like.

    I was actually involved in this! The prior pixel art wombat was asymmetrical for years and it bugged me enough to tweak it, which got reported upward to PA, who had their graphic designer make a whole new favicon

    By my calculations, that makes it ours to take with us, right?

    Only if it opts in.

  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    discrider wrote: »

    Ooh bother, it's one of those ammendment documents all goverments love so much.

    Does Australia provide a complete up to date version of their online safety act of 2021?
    Or am I going to have to track down and stitch 15 amandments together and "insert NOT before SHALL on line 4, paragraph B"?

  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Dibbit wrote: »
    discrider wrote: »

    Ooh bother, it's one of those ammendment documents all goverments love so much.

    Does Australia provide a complete up to date version of their online safety act of 2021?
    Or am I going to have to track down and stitch 15 amandments together and "insert NOT before SHALL on line 4, paragraph B"?

    They will do, once it's passed.
    This was submitted to the lower house today, but it's expected to become law by the end of the year

  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited November 2024
    discrider wrote: »
    Dibbit wrote: »
    discrider wrote: »

    Ooh bother, it's one of those ammendment documents all goverments love so much.

    Does Australia provide a complete up to date version of their online safety act of 2021?
    Or am I going to have to track down and stitch 15 amandments together and "insert NOT before SHALL on line 4, paragraph B"?

    They will do, once it's passed.
    This was submitted to the lower house today, but it's expected to become law by the end of the year

    Aah, thanks, that makes all the "The minister will..." parts clearer.
    So, this might impact our sign-up process.
    Hopefully, Xenforo will automatically take care of it for us, but it's something to keep an eye on.
    But just in case:
    There are age restrictions for certain social media platforms. A provider of such a platform must take reasonable steps to prevent children who have not reached a minimum age from having accounts.

    and
    A provider of an age-restricted social media platform must take reasonable steps to prevent age-restricted users having accounts with the age-restricted social media platform.

    any idea how reasonableness is defined? I know in some countries a button that says "I'm over 18, show me tits" is reasonable, while the UK is working on a government run database of "legal-aged citizens who are allowed to watch porn"
    Somewhere in between is asking for a credit-card number, in the belief that if you can open a Visa account, you're not a minor.

    Dibbit on
  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited November 2024
    I'm not sure how reasonableness is defined.
    Especially considering that any verification data appears to need to be deleted after verification.

    The Australian government has currently awarded tender to some UK company to ascertain people's ages with .. biometrics and keyboard behavior I guess?
    Like from what I've heard of it, a checkbox saying "I am over 16" sounds more rigorous.

    Anyway the full, currently in force, Social Media Act is here:
    https://www.legislation.gov.au/C2021A00076/latest/text

    discrider on
  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Actually, it looks like the government is trying to figure out how reasonableness is defined:
    https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/department/media/publications/tender-awarded-age-assurance-trial

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  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Hhmm.. rereading it, I thought we might skirt this all because we might not be a social media.
    but it does seem that under Australian definitions we would fall under it:
    Social media refers to any online social network. An online social network is a website or app that allows a user to create and share content online, for example, Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn.
    (link)

    So... euhmm, guess we'll have to wait and see what the actual law will be?

  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    A person who posts cyber‑bullying material targeted at an Australian child may be given a notice (an end‑user notice) requiring the person to do any or all of the following:

    (a) take all reasonable steps to ensure the removal of the material;
    (b) refrain from posting any cyber‑bullying material for which the child is the target;
    (c) apologise for posting the material.

    Does.... does Australian law codify "Now say you're sorry"? I can't determine if this is genius, or if the Simpsons boot episode was less satire and more of a "say what you see"

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  • SixSix Tech Sargent Chen Registered User regular
    That’s a bootable offense

    can you feel the struggle within?
  • DelzhandDelzhand Coin Return Admin Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited November 2024
    Dibbit wrote: »
    Hhmm.. rereading it, I thought we might skirt this all because we might not be a social media.
    but it does seem that under Australian definitions we would fall under it:
    Social media refers to any online social network. An online social network is a website or app that allows a user to create and share content online, for example, Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn.
    (link)

    So... euhmm, guess we'll have to wait and see what the actual law will be?

    Google is now a social media site because of Google Reviews

    God I hate tech legislation

    Delzhand on
  • FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    I mean, Australia was the country that wouldn't allow/legalise R18 vidjagames for decades because of one guy in South Australia.

    So, you know.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    No one was talking about starting our club in Australia, though? I understand the original post as a short heads up that AUS is a bad idea, but I see no value in further discussing details.

  • DibbitDibbit Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Ooh, I just thought the post was a general "Australia is changing it's sign-up requirements"
    We'll have to take that into account, I'm pretty sure we have a few Aussies, and I don't want to close anything off for them. Besides, having more sounds fun.
    If we don't follow their rules, we can't have their forumers, and I want their forumers, so it's an easy calculation.
    There's just not something actionable quite yet. And with any luck, XenForo will solve it.
    But if not, we'll do it.
    Have a little upside down checkbox with "If you can read this, you're from Australia and need to promise us you're 16+"

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