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Guiding Principles and New Rules for Our Community - Discussion
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WHAT DID YOU JUST CALL ME... oh wait, semantic drift. Yeah, that thing.
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had it too good for too long
It actually starts in roughly a week, not when we migrate. The rules presented are not theoretical, they are going to start being enforced next week.
We have to stop grinding 20 year old axes. Hell, even a six month old axe is mostly handle at this point.
Like between now and March? They're only for the transition period, I don't think they'll exist on nuforums.
from the bottom of my heart
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while goose is abstractly a silly term the prolonged existence of the silly goose rule has lead to it starting to fill the role of "I want to call you a Name, but I am being polite." - partially seen by the fact that most people stopped saying "silly goose" and just said "goose" or "honking goose" or something to that effect. the catch is that in that indication someone is still saying that they want to call you a Name
i imagine the function of this rule change is to say "Look. Fucking control yourself. If you're so mad that you're trying to cheat a name into the post, stand up. Walk around the block.", but ofc i did not write it
The one bit of pushback I'd give is that sometimes something can seem fairly benign or excusable as a one-off incident, but becomes much worse when it's a long-standing pattern of behavior, and we need to ability to point that out without it being dismissed as grinding an old axe.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Just because I figure it's safer to clarify this now, I'm assuming reclaimed slurs being used in casual conversation would also fall within the purview of Context is King?
"Queer" as shorthand for falling within the LGBTQ+ spectrum is the specific use case I'm concerned about, to be clear.
The mod-user relationship needs to be a two-way street, and I can see a reading of those rules that makes moderators subservient to the users instead of co-equals in the relationship.
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Yeah, this was specifically something that I asked for previously, that is at least the intent of the current document.
MOD ABUSE!
(I'm helping test)
But that only works if people are willing to let stuff go
The Paradox of Axegrinding! I must point out your ground axe, but I must have observed you chopping all that time, sharpening my own!
I can't believe you've done this. I can't wait to post it on X, the Everything Platform.
Not really.
You have needed to, historically, because there was no promise that moderation was going to deal with the bad behavior, and that the rules would be consistently enforced. So neighborhood watch, keeping receipts, and mob rule were the tools available. That is not what we are trying to build or behavior we think is conducive to a healthy community.
If someone violates something above, report. There is no value saying that back in 2013 during Festivus they didn't properly air their grievances.
We are removing all jailings and infractions from people who are not permanently banned. In exchange, everyone is starting on even footing.
In certain places, yes, but some folks would still disagree, or would pretend to disagree to use it as a cudgel.
I personally would also be fine with the F-slur being used by someone to self describe and/or in a loving context, but that might speak a bit to the company I personally keep.
Given I have queer friends that use that specific word pretty regularly (affectionate), I also had the same thought.
But yeah, "queer" as a reclaimed slur isn't universally accepted which is why I wanted to clarify that, rather than leave it unstated.
That’s obviously not kosher
I am fine with a one time amnesty deal, let's all just start off on a new foot, that sounds fine by me
My concern is more about if the philosophy behind that rule carries forward to the new forum, and 5 years from now someone is in a place where they have been needled in a way for years where no individual incident warranted moderation, that their concern will be dismissed as "just trying to revive old beef" or whatever.
Ideally, we have a better moderation system and people engage in better faith and a problem like that gets nipped in the bud. But things can slip through cracks.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I would absolutely consider f- to be reclaimed in my community, but something I think is important for the flexibility of slur rules like that is to reflect that this is, theoretically, a global forum and cultures and communities may be in different places. I don't know where that slur is at in say, Germany or whatever. I should be respectful of the fact that if I'm just busting it out randomly they might feel wounded
Thank you for that.
Your reply still leaves an open question whether this is effectively a rolling statute of limitations going forward, post migration.
Eg, can what I say on NuForums in 2026 be referred back to on NuForums in 2027?
I don't think the rule was intended to stop that, but I do think there's a bit of room for clarification.
If my opinion matters, I don't think a rolling statute of limitations codified in rules is at all a good idea. A one-time jubilee lasting from November 2024 through May 2025 wiping out peoples embarrassing back stories is fine. A soft request for people to be charitable when bringing up old posts, that forumers need to have opportunities to grow without their old shit flung back at them, is also fine. However, a hard prohibition against quoting arbitrarily old NuForum posts going forward would be terrible (if that is in fact the intent).
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Appreciate all the feedback so far, both reaffirming and constructive. Thanks, all.
Also, as I saw someone mention Discord servers connected to the current forums...I think it would be a good idea to set up an official New Forums Discord. I know you can get a bot/plugin that can link your accounts between the two, as I post on a forum/Discord that does this. Plenty of forums also have a 'who is online on Discord' widget on their homepage, with a button right there to join the Discord server. It's also just a generally easier way to instantly get ahold of people, set up multiplayer games or TTRPG sessions, or do other community events.
Interesting.
Interesting.
I know I've definitely been one of the people kicking up a fuss about mod policy recently, and I'll be honest and admit there have been times I've stepped over that line, which I regret.
It's not an excuse, but the source of a lot of that frustration has been a sense that moderation feedback isn't always taken seriously. There have been times where I felt like I was being handled, rather than listened to, if that makes any sort of sense.
I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with this, and I'll endeavor to better. But the flip side of that is if it's a two way street, you have to give people room to criticize moderation decisions, and people deserve to know that criticism is being taken seriously, and that they're being listened to.
Tabula Rasa means that the slate is cleaned so that new can be written on it.
Right now, the slate is just covered in the worst shit and it needed to be cleaned a long time ago.
I don't think any of us expect the mental state of the forums to be that of goldfish. We are asking for amnesty for all past misdeeds and misunderstanding, so that as we go forward with the goal of enforcing community standards equitably, we all start on the same footing.
Thank you. That's how I understood it too. I appreciate you making it explicit.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I'm with Tef. Please let this all boil down into a slurry until tomorrow and do the damn thing then.
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