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Underworld qualifies as more science fantasy, like Star Wars. Sure, the weapons can be explained as science, but only a chosen few can actually wield them. This also applies to Blade 1 and Blade 2. Blade 3 has human sidekicks, so that one might qualify.
The MCU movies are borderline. They use science to overcome Gods and magic, but they also rely a lot on "chosen one" arch types. Tony Stark can make an arc reactor in a cave from scraps, something that the rest of his company is unable to duplicate despite all their best efforts.
By contrast, we never really have any reason to believe that other scientists couldn't duplicate Egon's work if they really wanted to, the main difference is that Egon is willing to pursue fields that other scientists choose to ignore. In Ghostbusters 2, Egon is working on trivial psychology experiments, rather than putting his engineering skills to real use. Shandor is a genius, but NASA was able to figure out the same designs when they had a reason to.
Ghost busting aside, the Ghostbusters should have been able to retire to a life of wealth and fame purely on the basis of producing backpack-portable-sized nuclear reactors that were sufficiently safe and stable that Egon (at least) wasn't rendered sterile, none of the rest of the crew died of Cancer of the Everything, and they continued to work for decades. Plus they're cheap enough to be constructed and maintained by guys with the financial difficulties the Ghostbusters had when they started out. The proton pack may not be a miniaturized arc reactor but they should've revolutionized energy production in portable applications, unless the energy demands of a neutrona wand are a lot lower than seems reasonable.
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All of which were new to me, so I'm very happy with that haul.
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UFOs are pseudo-science, not paranormal.
Aykroyd came up with the idea of ghostbusters after reading psuedo-science journals on trapping ghosts with quantum physics. His original concept featured intergalactic pest control agents in the future, which only makes sense for the sake of showcasing the power and promise of science. This original concept was turned down because it was way too expensive (And also much harder to relate to), so Aykroyd scaled story to the present day while still maintaining the themes of science.
Otherwise, Aykroyd could have simply made a movie where the ghostbusters were traditional occult experts performing exorcisms with magic talismans. It would have been a much each sell for the studio (since they already knew a market existed for this), would be much easier to produce, and would be a lot more plausible (Once you accept the idea that ghosts are real, saying Egon studied as a witch doctor is easier to believe than saying that Egon built a lightweight nuclear reactor). The Walter Peck subplot would have also made a lot more sense if Walter was confronting witch doctors rather than confronting actual scientists with scientific equipment.
Replace them with a consumer protection bureau accusing the ghostbusters of being frauds.
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I suppose, except they'd just sue the Ghostbusters and/or try to get their business license suspended. Not raid their HQ and...turn off...their...witch doctor...storage...skull?
Characters have to do a regular witch doctor ritual to keep the ghosts contained, government agent accidentally interrupts the ritual, fucks everything up. Or... witch doctor uses totems in place to hold the demons at bay, government agent careless tosses those things aside.
I mean, look at what Peter does to ruin the ritual in No Way Home without even trying (This is in the trailer, not a spoiler). The whole deal with this genre is that people need to show extreme respect and reverence to the traditions, and any minor misstep can have grave consequences, and people fucking up basic advice.
Didn't Walter Peck accuse the ghostbusters of using hallucinogenic gas? That accusation could easily carry over even if the ghostbusters were witch doctors, and government officials could swoop in and disturb things during their investigation.
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But masses of people potentially hallucinating at once? Weird equipment making bizarre lights and noise? A firehouse that is obviously drawing a lot more power than any normal firehouse would? Yeah, that could definitely draw some interest from the EPA. And it wasn't EPA interest alone; Peck exploded into instant vendetta against the Ghostbusters when Venkman didn't bow to the sliver of bureaucratic power Peck actually had. A normal person just doing their job would've backed off the whole "grid shutdown" idea once Egon mentioned the issue of explosions. But Peck wasn't there to enforce the law, he just wanted to fuck up the Ghostbusters because Venkman made him look like an idiot. And that part was all too real.
Anything government-related going after the Ghostbusters for doing occult rituals in their basement or something just would've been... weird. Unless they were building up some cult following and doing dangerous mass rituals, who cares? People do ritual shit in their own homes all the time, nobody bothers them. We don't have witch hunters or that shit anymore, and the likes of the EPA (and any regulatory agency, really) wouldn't give a shit unless the Ghostbusters were, I dunno, storing improperly-sealed barrels of old ritual blood in their basement.
The shift towards the science angle makes the whole premise work so much better.
That fight wasn’t in the script? Damn.
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I'm in total agreement that the science angle makes everything better. My point is that this was an intentional decision for the sake of "science triumphs over superstition," when the Hollywood status quo is generally the opposite.
Most of the concerns you mention could have just as easily been translated in a movie where the ghostbusters are witch doctors. For instance, you replace hazardous materials with hazardous potions and substances. The concerns that the ghostbusters are actually causing mass hallucination is still there.
The main difference is that the world of science and engineering has fail safes and redundancies in mine. As you mention, you really have to go out of your way to make Peck irrational with a chip on his shoulder to shut off complex machinery with threats of explosions. He's not even capable of shutting off the equipment himself, he needs an expert to do it for him, and the experts is super reluctant to go through with it. Whereas magic in fiction is far more fragile and fickle, even with the best of intentions. Meaning you can have a government official shutting down an exorcism ritual accidentally, without much thought or malice. For instance, on "Sabrina," the main hero traps the main villain in a salt circle... then accidentally breaks the circle on her way out.
The expert Peck brings in was brought in under the impression that these were a bunch of fraudsters, then is immediately scared because the equipment is way more complex than his understanding. If they were actually fraudsters, why would they go through all that trouble, for a piece of equipment that no one outside the company was ever supposed to see in the first place? That explains why he's reluctant. OTOH, if the ghostbusters were witch doctors, he would have no way of determining "actual" magic from fake magic. In his eyes, all magic would look fake, so there's no big deal in interfering with it.
So turning the ghostbusters into witch doctors would have been much easier to write, and much easier to sell to Hollywood. But it wouldn't be as interesting as a story, because "fight the unknown with science" is a lot better than "fight the unknown with the unknown."
Likewise, in a movie where the ghostbusters are witch doctors, there wouldn't be any room for a Winston character. That would be an easy sell to Hollywood and to audiences, since Hudson didn't have any real star power and they didn't bother putting him on the poster. But leaving him out would have taken away from the theme that science is better than magic, because science is accessible to everyone and not just the chosen few.
I mean, my big gripe about the series? My one big one? The reanimated corpse of the priest being used to turn the river into holy water. Because the priest had no holy backing and thus couldn't have blessed anything; that's just standard rules for when somebody violates their pact with their god or gods. And his reanimated corpse definitely couldn't do it because it wouldn't even have a soul or will, so it's at least two major rules broken to make that work.
And as bombastic as the ending got, I still loved it. Easily one of the best series that Netflix has put out.
Sigh, rookies. You've always got to put the salt in hula hoops and then the circle can't be broken. Problem solved forever.
But overall, yes, I see what you were getting at. Hollywood definitely has a history of being leery of putting science at the forefront of anything if it can help it, and the shape of the film definitely would've been unrecognizable if the Ghostbusters were just people doing magic stuff instead of fighting ghosts with science. Certainly easier to write, but also immensely less interesting and engaging.
How long was the whip by the end of that fight? A few hundred feet at least I bet
I cleared DH-9 and was like "yeah okay that went well, how can I get it to a trustfarm". Then I was like "okay, but, what if we made it even faster." I am particularly proud of that Weedy YEET into the Ch'en drop. Was it necessary? No. Was it fucking hilarious? Yes. Pretty happy I'm at a point where I don't really need to rely on video guides anymore, I can just legit make my own strats. Unless it's a particularly hard one I get stuck on >_>
This event is pretty cool though, I really love the whole Stickers mechanic. I gotttt Ch'en Alter in 70 pulls? And like 3 pot La Pluma (who is like really cool!!). No Mizuki, ain't gonna do more pulls outside of the free daily ones.
edit: OH and for EXTRA FUN, here's a video I made when I had like practically nothing for the Blem event but still managed to Pull It Off:
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I can't bring myself to dislike any of it because the character writing is so damn good
A reminder if you didn't notice this, you actually need a 3 turret kill on DH-9 for rewards, which does require leaving the boss' boat alive for a little bit. I found this much more annoying than just completing the stage in the most obvious way.
I guess the timing changed enough now that her skill isn't up when the big boss appears so she doesn't do enough damage to him before she dies; this cascades into letting him survive while walking through my zone of blocking/damage. Had to do a takeover during the last 15 kills and re-adjust to compensate.
Was too funny not to record, honestly. I don't even need to do it, and it probably doesn't make a lick of a difference timewise, but Memes, y'all. Uhh wow though, this took like frame perfect timing on my part. I think it works more reliably with Suzu S3 but guess who doesn't have Suzu at E2 yet :T
Oh yeah no, I got that in... my first clear, or the several subsequent clears where I was optimizing the trust farm, I think? This was after already having gotten that :P
Exu's S3M3 takes 10 seconds to wind up, so if you can factor that in, you should be able to have it pop right when the boss spawns
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had to use surtr strats
Yeah uh jesus christ @ DH-S-2
Had to really workshop that one and went for a full on melee hug corner strat
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Which hey, I don't mind that at all really, just haven't had the time to really focus on anything besides auto-deploy farming as of yet.
Yeah, I have no patience (aka time) for such things so I'll probably just look up strats :P I did all the other ones myself, that's good enough. :P
P.S. - I wish there was a better way of telling which stickers you don't have vs. which stage they drop from. Unless I totally missed something in the big sticker list that says this, it's kind of like you have to look at which ones you are missing, remember what they look like, then go through the drop lists of each stage and hope you see the one you probably already forgot because they all look so generic :P ATM I've just been spamming rando stages hoping for new sticker drops. But they all drop so many it's annoying to tell which stickers are unique to which stages, etc.
Ahh, I was wondering if that was the case. Of course I would never think to do this :P
I legit keep forgetting stickers are a thing beyond collecting them :P I should probably look at which ones I have equipped since I've unlocked most of them at this point :P (I'm maybe missing like 5?)
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At least there's still a few more free daily pulls I think? I dunno when they end.
Also if you haven't been participating in the anniversary website they have been giving away a bunch of free stuff there including the red whateveritscalled currency.